What Laws are still valid to christians

[just-me]

The land promise was given to Abraham right?...

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Amen brother
We are also given a possession. It is a place where God has put all of His children according to his divine plan for each of us. God's commandments to Israel then are in perfect step with how he wants us to cling to our possession.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Amen brother
We are also given a possession. It is a place that God has put all of His children according to his divine plan for each of us. God's commandments to Israel then are in perfect step with how he wants us to cling to our possession.

Then why are you not in Israel now? Evidently you and your church are doing what lev 26 says? Did God go back on his promise?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

you run every time I post a verse where Yahshua says to follow the Law or just outright ignore it and pick and pick and pick...

we have gone through this so many times, if you want to play like you on the upright side of the debate concerning adressing my points, YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.

I addressed the fact that your interpretation is flawed. I gave a very pointed example how it cannot possibly mean what you say it means, yet you completely ignored it. Can you address the contradiction I presented, or do you just want to keep playing this game?

 

[Hizikyah]

I addressed the fact that your interpretation is flawed. I gave a very pointed example how it cannot possibly mean what you say it means, yet you completely ignored it. Can you address the contradiction I presented, or do you just want to keep playing this game?

I did after that reply on the last page, also if I go back and look at our debates, you answer lees than 10% my question/points.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Circumcision was always supposed to be a Spiritual change in a person, Scripture tells us for many it was simply outward...

If you understood what Yahshua taught about the Law it is the same, that doent mean you reject Law that mean you submit to Yahweh's true intent of it...

worship in Spirit and truth... I think alot of people these days claim to worship in Spirit while doing the exact oppisite in their flesh, STILL UNCIRCUMCISED IN FLESH AND SPIRIT...

Circumcision in the flesh was a LAW! Violate it and be damned. That's the way law works.

Yet you want to deny that it is a law, even while saying that we are supposed to follow law. Madness!

 

[Hizikyah]

im logging off, its the same thing over and over, post a whole bunch of verse obedience haters ignor them and write one sentence criticizing something thats is not even a part of the debate. (not everytime but too much, and I have also done this, but continually post Scripture and its ignored)

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I did after that reply on the last page, also if I go back and look at our debates, you answer lees than 10% my question/points.

90% of what you write is distraction and garbage. Not to mention the fact that IMO you are here to peddle an agenda, and not learn.

 

[Hizikyah]

Circumcision in the flesh was a LAW! Violate it and be damned. That's the way law works.

Yet you want to deny that it is a law, even while saying that we are supposed to follow law. Madness!

I never denied it...


AHH HAh I GOT HIM!!!! no you dont. have a great day

 

[eternally-gratefull]

im logging off, its the same thing over and over, post a whole bunch of verse obedience haters ignor them and write one sentence criticizing something thats is not even a part of the debate. (not everytime but too much, and I have also done this, but continually post Scripture and its ignored)

lol, You ignored the passage which proved it is God who cicrumcises you

So if you are going to blaim people for ignoring verses, Blame yourself

 

[just-me]

Deuteronomy 10:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

This is the law. It matches perfectly with Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

The reason that there is no law against it, is because circumcision of your heart is the law. PEACE, GENTLENESS, LOVE maybe? Obey this law, and that's what ya get.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I did after that reply on the last page, also if I go back and look at our debates, you answer lees than 10% my question/points.

You answer 0% of my points regarding circumcision. Avoidance, equivocation and obfuscation are not answers. The law says one thing; Paul says don't do it. According to your logic Paul is an 'obedience hater' and least in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[WomanLovesTX]

Yeah your in company alright, the people who teach what you teach stoned him!

I teach that all of God's Word is still true and relevant today in our lives.

 

[cfultz3]

The Law does not have empathy period. It defines sin. The empathy comes from a God who planned for sin prior to creation and enacted a plan to redeem us before the first molecule was created...

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Sure it does not. So, I guess Law was not what I was talking about than.

 

[Hoffco]

To Just-me, Thank you for giving us the whole truth.! The law is good and holy, bUT we are sinful, weak, we can not keep it perfectly, so it condemns us and leads us to Christ for salvation by Grace. And sal, by grace does not excuse us from obeying God's law, which we can now do because we have God's power in us to obey, but not perfectly, but purposefully. And we have the blood of Jesus to forgive us when we sin. (IS THIS WHAT YOU SAID or AGREE TO ?) NOW Iwill add MY understanding of sal. to your truth, which I endorse. My take is, Salvation has always been by Grace , thru faith and holiness of life. BUT now , we come in Jesus blood etc. and to a commitment to obey Jesus as our lord, who teaches us HIS LAW for living. NOW, Jesus LAW is none other than the moral laws of the OLD Testament, renewed, cleaned up, from the Pharisee's corruptions. My view, leaves out all the rituals of the O. T. which God gave to the Jews to keep them separate from the pagan nations. Which really did not not help the UNSAVED majority of Jews because they were not saved; But those like David and Ruth etc. who were saved ,and loved to keep all the laws of God to show their living faith in God their savior. NOW, inthe N. Cov. ,we don't have any more O.T. "ordinances" so we can be a new body, of Jews and Gentiles united in the NEW way of Jesus. DO YOU AGREE WITH MY ADITIONS? Love to all. Hoffco

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Deuteronomy 10:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

This is the law. It matches perfectly with Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

The reason that there is no law against it, is because circumcision of your heart is the law. PEACE, GENTLENESS, LOVE maybe? Obey this law, and that's what ya get.

And this is the law of physical circumcision. Nothing about the heart there.

In the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. Leviticus 12:3

The uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. Genesis 17:14​

 

[vic1980]

1 Timothy 1:8

But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

So the Law stands upheld until Christ returns matthew 18:5 & 2 Peter 3:10 fullfillment. It is to edify those that do not understand there disobedience towards God i belive.

Someone who has faith in Christ fullfills all thee Law with Love, the same Love Jesus taught us. The fullfillment of the commandment is Love.

Romans 13:10 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Anyone have anything to add please share

God bless

The Law has a purpose still, for the lawless and disobedient,1 Timothy explains this clearly in verse 8-11.

Those in Christ Jesus, are under the law of Faith.

Romans 3:27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith.

God bless

 

[just-me]

To Just-me, Thank you for giving us the whole truth.! The law is good and holy, bUT we are sinful, weak, we can not keep it perfectly, so it condemns us and leads us to Christ for salvation by Grace. And sal, by grace does not excuse us from obeying God's law, which we can now do because we have God's power in us to obey, but not perfectly, but purposefully. And we have the blood of Jesus to forgive us when we sin. (IS THIS WHAT YOU SAID or AGREE TO ?) NOW Iwill add MY understanding of sal. to your truth, which I endorse. My take is, Salvation has always been by Grace , thru faith and holiness of life. BUT now , we come in Jesus blood etc. and to a commitment to obey Jesus as our lord, who teaches us HIS LAW for living. NOW, Jesus LAW is none other than the moral laws of the OLD Testament, renewed, cleaned up, from the Pharisee's corruptions. My view, leaves out all the rituals of the O. T. which God gave to the Jews to keep them separate from the pagan nations. Which really did not not help the UNSAVED majority of Jews because they were not saved; But those like David and Ruth etc. who were saved ,and loved to keep all the laws of God to show their living faith in God their savior. NOW, inthe N. Cov. ,we don't have any more O.T. "ordinances" so we can be a new body, of Jews and Gentiles united in the NEW way of Jesus. DO YOU AGREE WITH MY ADITIONS? Love to all. Hoffco

I agree, but let me add one more thing that is very important. The rituals, or Levitical law is in direct correlation to the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. It also is a direct correlation with us caring our cross and dying daily. Romans 12:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

By studying, and remembering the law, we see that the fire on the altar was never to go out. It was an everlasting statute. Jesus came to baptize us with fire and the Holy Spirit. When the Spirit of God enlightens us to these facts, it is totally awesome relating these facts to our Lord’s sacrifice in our stead. For the most part, simply put, we are the goat, and He is the bull.

In counting the days between the Passover and the giving of the law to Moses, we count the same number of days between the death of Christ and Pentecost. Cool eh?

 

[Welshman]

To eternally grateful and he rose from the dead, brothers I have also been in this debate as you well know,and may I thank you for reading some of my comments, I appreciate your likes very much too, bt more to the point , after watching the last few days I have taken much interest into both of your comments?, I agree 100% with the pair of you I've witnessed the same tactics and what I deem misapplication at best, or an agenda for discord at worst by well we know to whom I'm talking about,I'm sure you've seen the evasiveness I myself witnessed in pages 125 forward . I am worried that collectively we are simply antagonising ourselves with the current debate and perhaps we will never ever remove the veil that still covers and has remained since our lord was here as a man, and you both with zeal and patience and correct verses applicable?, unlike others who think 2pages of diatribe will make us forget the original question. May The Lord make his countenance upon thee ?num 6 v 24 v27 brothers me thinks we've tried our best as I detect hatred coming forth toward you both and that should warn us of a few things ? Enemies tactics discord, and guile and so on let's agree we tried to speak truth and leave it with The Lord brothers amen

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I teach that all of God's Word is still true and relevant today in our lives.

Thats funny, I teach it too.

But I do not think I will know the will of God by following the law.

this is where we separate, And you condemn me for not following all of scripture why?

 

[just-me]

To eternally grateful and he rose from the dead, brothers I have also been in this debate as you well know,and may I thank you for reading some of my comments, I appreciate your likes very much too, bt more to the point , after watching the last few days I have taken much interest into both of your comments?, I agree 100% with the pair of you I've witnessed the same tactics and what I deem misapplication at best, or an agenda for discord at worst by well we know to whom I'm talking about,I'm sure you've seen the evasiveness I myself witnessed in pages 125 forward . I am worried that collectively we are simply antagonising ourselves with the current debate and perhaps we will never ever remove the veil that still covers and has remained since our lord was here as a man, and you both with zeal and patience and correct verses applicable?, unlike others who think 2pages of diatribe will make us forget the original question. May The Lord make his countenance upon thee ?num 6 v 24 v27 brothers me thinks we've tried our best as I detect hatred coming forth toward you both and that should warn us of a few things ? Enemies tactics discord, and guile and so on let's agree we tried to speak truth and leave it with The Lord brothers amen

You speak the truth, and see the truth. I thank God that He has shown these things to you. When the fruit of the Spirit is lacking, we know them by their fruits. When the fruit of the Spirit is manifested, we know them by their fruits. God wants us to see this for the purpose of a righteous judgment without condemnation. We all slip if it's not on purpose. What is on purpose is not backsliding.

Matthew 7:15-16 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?