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Now I would love to know what source you got that from!... unbiblical?, everything he says he backs up with scripture so that accusation has no substance.
Name one thing he teaches that has any scritpural foundation to it?
 
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Name one thing he teaches that has any scritpural foundation to it?
Like I said before, ALL that he teaches he basis it on scripture. You name one that he does not!
 
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Like I said before, ALL that he teaches he basis it on scripture. You name one that he does not!
He said that Jesus was referring to some passage in song of soloman when He said learn the parable of the fig tree in Matthew 24. This is false Jesus meant exactly what He said in the following verses when the leaves are green on the fig tree you know summer is near even so when the tribulation begins we know His 2nd coming is near.


Now your turn give one teaching of His that is biblical or true.
 
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Watchmen is hardly the person to be calling others false teachers, when he is one himself ;). If you don't believe you are Watchmen, just try asking any pastor if you can preach in their church about how Oneness is right and the Trinity is wrong, as you do on here, and see what they say.
 
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Watchmen is hardly the person to be calling others false teachers, when he is one himself ;). If you don't believe you are Watchmen, just try asking any pastor if you can preach in their church about how Oneness is right and the Trinity is wrong, as you do on here, and see what they say.
So you agree with the teaching of Perry Stone?
 
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Can't say I've looked into him or heard of him before but on his website the communion package for only $40 looks pretty good.
 
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Can't say I've looked into him or heard of him before but on his website the communion package for only $40 looks pretty good.
You should check out what he teaches and then get back to me. I gaurantee you will not agree with his teachings. He mainly oushes the pretrib rapture thing we all know is untrue. (or should know)
 
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He said that Jesus was referring to some passage in song of soloman when He said learn the parable of the fig tree in Matthew 24. This is false Jesus meant exactly what He said in the following verses when the leaves are green on the fig tree you know summer is near even so when the tribulation begins we know His 2nd coming is near.


Now your turn give one teaching of His that is biblical or true.
well without exactly knowing what verses you are talking about I cannot assume. You obviously did not listen to the whole message he was teaching otherwise you would have maybe understood what he was saying, and do you really think that God has not laid up new treasures in His Word for us in the last days to understand? no I thing that maybe the Bible to you is just a good book written long ago.
consider these

Dan 2:28 But there is a God in heaven who reveals secrets, and He has made known to King Nebuchadnezzar what will be in the latter days....

Mat 13:52 Then He said to them, "Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old."

do you really think that after the Word was written that God does not continue to reveal His mysteries to Godly men to this day?

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
 
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So what your saying is you cannot give even one teaching of his that lines up with scripture, yet you hang on his every word as if it was all bibical truth?
 
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can i say good grief??? And snail you make me laugh!
 
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What teachings in particular is he in error about? (besides pre-trib) I can't seem to find anything of substance.
 
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What teachings in particular is he in error about? (besides pre-trib) I can't seem to find anything of substance.
I have already given 3
#1 He said that he put microphones down deep into the earth and heard screams coming from hell.
#2 He said the parable of the fig tree spoken of by Jesus in Matthew 24 come from a reference in Songs of Solomon 2:13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.
#3 He is a pretrib teacher, and i do not mean he believes in the pretrib, that is his main focus teaching people to believe in the pretrib rapture.

There are many, many more. I have watched him for 5+ years, and I have yet to here him teach anything that was true.
 
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I have already given 3
#1 He said that he put microphones down deep into the earth and heard screams coming from hell.
#2 He said the parable of the fig tree spoken of by Jesus in Matthew 24 come from a reference in Songs of Solomon 2:13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.
#3 He is a pretrib teacher, and i do not mean he believes in the pretrib, that is his main focus teaching people to believe in the pretrib rapture.

There are many, many more. I have watched him for 5+ years, and I have yet to here him teach anything that was true.
I have heard something like what you mention in #1 and you have it way out of context, from what I recall he was teaching about hell/hades etc, he was pointing out scriptures that had different words describing that area, I think there where four of them, know scripture points to hell as being somewhere here on earth and most likely inside the earth, so he made a hyperthetical remark that if you could lower a microphone down into the bowls of the earth he would not be surprised if you could actually hear the torment, he did not claim to have literally put microphones down the earth he was hust emphasising the fact that it is a real place and not a myth!
Interesting you say that you have watched him for five years that tells me you have not listened to what he has to say, instead you scoff and say he is evil! If you don't believe what comes out of his mouth then I don't understand why you carry on "watching" him.... you want me to post at least on of his teachings..that would take a huge amount of time as you have to hear what he has to teach in context and cannot just pick and choose single sentences etc.
think on these:

1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
1Co 12:4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all.
1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:
 
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, he did not claim to have literally put microphones down the earth he was hust emphasising the fact that it is a real place and not a myth!
I saw the show, he said he actually heard the screams with his own ears.
Interesting you say that you have watched him for five years that tells me you have not listened to what he has to say, instead you scoff and say he is evil!
I do both, I listen to what he says and scoff ''KNOWING'' he is evil.
 
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Graybeard, I would assume you are a big fan of Jack Van Impy, and John Hagee also huh?
 
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I saw the show, he said he actually heard the screams with his own ears.
do both, I listen to what he says and scoff ''KNOWING'' he is evil.
do you know what the title/number of the show was?...I would like to check up on that
wow, having made this statement (and scoff ''KNOWING'' he is evil) you imply that the scriptures I gave above are lies?
here they are again:

1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
1Co 12:4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all.
1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:

Graybeard, I would assume you are a big fan of Jack Van Impy, and John Hagee also huh?
your sarcastic remark about being a "big fan" is unfounded and attempts to undermine the Cross of Christ for me.
I don't watch too much of John Hagee but do watch Jack Van Impi..why do you think Jack Van Impi is from the devil as well?
 
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do you know what the title/number of the show was?...I would like to check up on that
wow, having made this statement (and scoff ''KNOWING'' he is evil) you imply that the scriptures I gave above are lies?
here they are again:

1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
1Co 12:4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all.
1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:


your sarcastic remark about being a "big fan" is unfounded and attempts to undermine the Cross of Christ for me.
I don't watch too much of John Hagee but do watch Jack Van Impi..why do you think Jack Van Impi is from the devil as well?
#1 Believing the false teaching of false teachers does not mean that you are not sincere in you dedication to Christ or the cross.
#2 I never said that Perry Stone was from the devil, although I did agree that he was evil when you asked if I thought so.
#3 I do believe that Satan uses Perry Stone, Jack Van Impy, and John Hagee to infiltrate the church with false teaching. I pray one day they will see the truth and repent of their deeds.
 
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#1 Believing the false teaching of false teachers does not mean that you are not sincere in you dedication to Christ or the cross.
#2 I never said that Perry Stone was from the devil, although I did agree that he was evil when you asked if I thought so.
#3 I do believe that Satan uses Perry Stone, Jack Van Impy, and John Hagee to infiltrate the church with false teaching. I pray one day they will see the truth and repent of their deeds.
Evil = devil = evil no matter which way you look at it
I observe that you choose to ignore the scriptures I have given you twice.
A good example of a false prophet/teacher is Opra Winfrey
What is your definition of a false prophet/teacher?
 
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Evil = devil = evil no matter which way you look at it
I observe that you choose to ignore the scriptures I have given you twice.
A good example of a false prophet/teacher is Opra Winfrey
What is your definition of a false prophet/teacher?
The scriptures you give have nothing to do with our conversation, unless you are suggesting that anyone that claims Jesus is Lord does not teach anything that is false. I know you do not believe that because many people who call Jesus Lord have opposing views on many other perifocal issue. We can't all be right about everything. For instance I call Christ Lord, and Perry Stone calls Christ Lord. Yet I believe everything else he says is false. Either he is right and I am wrong or I am right and he is wrong, we can't both be right. Yet we both call Christ Lord. So the scriptures you gave were completely irrelevant to the discussion, and instead of insulting you by saying so I tried to stay on topic, and for this you insult me.


Perry Stone is just as dangerous or even more so than Oprah Winfrey because no true Christian would be swayed by Oprah, just the world, but Perry is deceiving many Christians with his false teachings.
 
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your debates on good threads are like viruses to computers,why dont you do this privately,because you spoil it for me and everybody else and i think they would agree
 
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