THE CROSS

[Cobus]

Yes I agree, and when people drag the Blood of Jesus in like God looks at the blood and sees us clean.. then I just shiver with the flasness of such statements... I know that the PASSING THROUGH THE BLOOD (Or being cleansed and purified is becasue Jesus gave His blood, but that is just what it was a sacrifice.. it is not blood glasses God wears to see us clean...

God clense us enough to LOOK STRAIGHT AT Us, and STILL WE WILL BE PERFECT AND WITHOUT SPOT OR BLEMISH...

God;s work did not end at the Cross.... And our salvation does not stop at the blood... It stops with us IN HIM...

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

No. I do not want to forget. In fact, because I do remember, I meet with other Christians and take the Lord's Supper.
Some folks in fact only think of the cross. They worship it!
And let's not forget the words of Jesus: "Do this in remembrance of Me."

The cross summarizes everything Christ did. That is all.

 

[Delija]

Dear SirLucian,if u just read Bible as u do not,obviously,u would know from where does it came.
Instad of that,1st try to go away from those who teaching u like that.That what u condemn as unholy will judge bouth,me and u in the hour of Last Judgment.Remember that well.

 

[SirLucan]

Dear SirLucian,if u just read Bible as u do not,obviously,u would know from where does it came.
Instad of that,1st try to go away from those who teaching u like that.That what u condemn as unholy will judge bouth,me and u in the hour of Last Judgment.Remember that well.

Delija,

From whence cometh your anger? Why art thou so angry? Pray tell.
Again, I only ask for Bible verses. That's all. Be ready always to give an answer. . .

 

[Delija]

Am not angry of course.Just your questions remind me on the time of Apostles when peoples had no idea what is Cross for Christians.Are u a Christian ?

 

[SirLucan]

Am not angry of course.Just your questions remind me on the time of Apostles when peoples had no idea what is Cross for Christians.Are u a Christian ?

Yes. I am a CHRISTian. Please reread the prayer you posted. It explicitly states praying the cross. The cross is not holy. Why do you think the cross is holy?
People spit on Jesus. Is that holy?
The nails, are they holy?

I love Jesus Christ. I do not love the cross. You seem to not distinguish between the cross as a signifier and the thing it signifies - the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, Jesus the Christ.

If I worship the cross, I am not worshipping the Lord. If I pray to the cross, I am not praying to the Lord. Would you have me bow to the cross and pray to it? That's a sin. It is.

Judge. Judge. Judge. That is the response of the world. We are to judge, but it must be done according to truth. Not nit pick or with favoritism.

If there was found a splinter, just a tiny sliver of wood, that could be proved to be from the cross of Christ, do you know what people would do? They would worship it. Yes they would. It's a piece of wood. It is not holy. Do you not see that?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Enough! Where is Christ in your statement? The cross means nothing, absolutely nothing without Jesus Christ. Pray tell, why dost thou not speak of Jesus? My faith is placed in Jesus.

Don't argue with Sir Lucan. You emphasize the wood, and not the man. "It is Christ that liveth me."

I hereby order you to pay 50 ducats immediately. Now. Make no comparison to scripture that mentions the cross. Why? Because there is context of scripture. Your entry is the context, and lacks Jesus. It lacks Christ. On second thought, I order you to pay 300 ducats. Don't complain. They're just ducats. Just be glad YOU don't have to be give your life.

What does the cross mean to you? I believe that the cross is the ultimate move of God. I believe that there is nothing else. Believe that the Holy Spirit can only move on a person that has their faith exclusively in the work of the cross and nothing else, No not your works, nor how Holy you try to live. But solely in the cross. Most, if not threads on this forum, can be answered in the cross. The problem we are faced is, is where is our faith. What is it placed in?

Hi Kerry
SirLucan was (in my opinion)was right,in hoprfully a nice way.I know what you meant though.thank you SirLucan and GOD bless us all.

 

[SirLucan]

Orthodox Prayer to the Holy Cross (Let God Arise)

"Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered; and let those who hate Him flee from His face. As smoke vanishes, let them vanish; and as wax melts from the presence of fire, so let the demons perish from the presence of those who love God and who sign themselves with the Sign of the Cross and say with gladness: Hail, most precious and life-giving Cross of the Lord, for Thou drivest away the demons by the power of our Lord Jesus Christ Who was crucified on thee, went down to hell and trampled on the power of the devil, and gave us thee, His honorable Cross, for driving away all enemies. O most precious and life-giving Cross of the Lord, help me with our holy Lady, the Virgin Theotokos, and with all the Saints throughout the ages. Amen."

Elijah, that's the prayer posted. Do you not see the emphasis on the object, the cross itself? It gives the cross prominence over Christ. The cross does not give life, Jesus does. This is blasphemous. Have you been in Catholic churches. They have places where you worship the cross.

Here are parts from your prayer:
1. Hail, most precious and life-giving Cross of the Lord,
2. was crucified on thee, (The writer refers to the cross as "thee.")
3. precious and life-giving Cross of the Lord, (No. The cross is not precious. Christ is precious. We were bought with the precious blood of Jesus.)
4. help me with our holy Lady, the Virgin Theotokos (Asking the cross to help! And what meanth holy lady?)

Catholicism this is.

 

[SirLucan]

Hi Kerry
SirLucan was (in my opinion)was right,in hoprfully a nice way.I know what you meant though.thank you SirLucan and GOD bless us all.

Seed time,
I meant not to be rude or such like. I sometimes assume people are posting things to stir controversy. I have to watch that assumption.
Thank you!!!

 

[posthuman]

the Cross is everything to me.

all my life is the Cross - it's redemption or it's nails.

 

[posthuman]

What? My eyes just spotted the title "Orthodox Prayer to the Holy Cross." What say you? Where is that in the Bible? The cross is not holy. What say you? I charge thee before God that ye cease and desist from this idolatry.
Prayers to the cross, the holy cross! No. No. No. This is wrong.

Are the nails holy? Is the spit from the mockers holy? Are the hands of the Romans holy? How about the whip? Is it holy. No. Please realize that the cross represents . . . but the cross has no intrinsic value. The prayer you supply worships the cross. I will not bow down to the cross. That's Catholicism. That's idolatry.

What say you?

"holy" means set apart for a purpose

all the things you mentioned were set apart for the purpose of the LORD in the redemptive crucifixion & resurrection of Jesus the Christ.

 

[p_rehbein]

[while the tree is symbolic of the Crucifixion of Christ, let us understand it is NOT the tree we should worship.....)


The Precious Blood of Jesus

1. Leviticus 17:11, 14 (cp. Deuteronomy 12:23) “For the life of the flesh
is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an
atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement
for the soul…. For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life
thereof …”

2. Hebrews 9:22 “Without the shedding of blood, there is
no remission of sins.”

3. 1 John 1:7″… the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth
us from all sin.”

4. Revelation 1:5 “… Unto him that loved us, and washed us
from our sins in his own blood.”

5. Exodus 12:13 “… and when I see the blood, I will passover
you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you,
when I smite the land of Egypt.”

6. Revelation 12:11 “And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood
of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony …”

7. Hebrews 9:14 “How much more shall the blood of Christ, who
through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God,
purge your conscience …

8. Hebrews 10:19, 22 “Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter
into the holiest by the blood of Jesus … Let us draw near with a true
heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an
evil conscience …”

9. Hebrews 13:12 “Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify
the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.”

10. Romans 3:24-25 “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”

11. Romans 5:9 “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”

 

[p_rehbein]

Psalm 99:1) .) The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.
2 .) The LORD is great in Zion; and he is high above all the people.
3 .) Let them praise thy great and terrible name; for it is holy.
4 .) The king's strength also loveth judgment; thou dost establish equity, thou executest judgment and righteousness in Jacob.
5 .) Exalt ye the LORD our God, and worship at his footstool; for he is holy.
6 .) Moses and Aaron among his priests, and Samuel among them that call upon his name; they called upon the LORD, and he answered them.
7 .) He spake unto them in the cloudy pillar: they kept his testimonies, and the ordinance that he gave them.
8 .) Thou answeredst them, O LORD our God: thou wast a God that forgavest them, though thou tookest vengeance of their inventions.
9 .) Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy.


THE LORD OUR GOD IS HOLY!

 

[SirLucan]

"holy" means set apart for a purpose

all the things you mentioned were set apart for the purpose of the LORD in the redemptive crucifixion & resurrection of Jesus the Christ.

Really, then the hands the crucified Jesus were holy? I'll take the inspired apostle's word over yours. The Romans hands were godless, wicked. But it's just your opinion over the teaching of the Bible. So no big deal. And who's to judge anyways? Right? Instead of looking up a word's definition and then haphazardly splashing that definition carelessly over everything you think it can apply to, why don't you STUDY what is holy in the Bible? Or would that be too difficult?

So Posthume you say the godless hands were holy. Amazing. Do you see what convoluted conclusion you reach by such a loose method of interpretation?

I wonder, were the Egyptians holy? Why, out of all nations God set them apart to play a major part in His plan. How about the Babylonians, were they holy. How about Sodom and Gomorrah. Why, there was angel of the Lord in Sodom, certainly they were holy even with their abominations.

Judas. How about Judas Iscariot? There's a man who Satan entered. Then Judas betrayed the Lord, fulfilling prophecy. Oh, but Judas is holy. Who can believe it? Amazing?

How about the Romans who cast lots? Were those Romans holy?
How about the spit? Was the spit that was put upon Jesus, was that holy?

Come on. Pathetic! No wonder people don't understand the Bible. "I'll look up the word holy. Find a part of the definition that can support my worship of something related to God, and Bam! I am good to go."

Quit calling unholy things holy. Blasphemous.

 

[SirLucan]

Psalm 99:1) .) The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.
2 .) The LORD is great in Zion; and he is high above all the people.
3 .) Let them praise thy great and terrible name; for it is holy.
4 .) The king's strength also loveth judgment; thou dost establish equity, thou executest judgment and righteousness in Jacob.
5 .) Exalt ye the LORD our God, and worship at his footstool; for he is holy.
6 .) Moses and Aaron among his priests, and Samuel among them that call upon his name; they called upon the LORD, and he answered them.
7 .) He spake unto them in the cloudy pillar: they kept his testimonies, and the ordinance that he gave them.
8 .) Thou answeredst them, O LORD our God: thou wast a God that forgavest them, though thou tookest vengeance of their inventions.
9 .) Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy.


THE LORD OUR GOD IS HOLY!

Amen. After reading Posthum's response with the definition of holy, I rejoice upon reading your response here. Amen. Thanks be to God.

 

[posthuman]

Psalm 99:1
9 .) Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy.

why does the psalmist call the hill holy?

 

[SirLucan]

why does the psalmist call the hill holy?

Oh, this is a reply? No one said the hill wasn't holy.
Your MO is make a statement, read a response, then dodge the response. Amazing.
Remove thy sandals for thou standest on holy ground.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

why does the psalmist call the hill holy?

I believe he is referring to the tabernacle that David set up for the ark on Mount Zion.

 

[Kerry]

Kerry the cross is the END OF SIN.... Every person that goes THROUGH THE CROSS arrives IN GOD... And in HIM IS NO SIN...
A person that sin has NOT GONE THROUGH. Jesus says it very clearly and I will give you the TRUTH. I just hopw you can believe me, for the ones that are deceived WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS...

God sacrificed the LAMB so we can be made CLEAN.... So the cross does one thing we agree.. IT CLEANSE US...I think we all agree on that.... And it sleanse us from ALL unrighteousness... not some,,, ALL.. so it is a PERFECT PURENESS WE GET THERE...

Now did the son come to only WASH us or did he come to REMOVE us as well? Did He actually come to also TAKE AWAY the sin... Well if the cross cleans me, and I pass through the blood INTO GOD, IN HIM IS NO SIN... where is the sin then? ON THE PTHER SIDE OF THE CROSS, THE BLOOD/.... Looks like when I am washed, I can pass through, into a place where there is no sin... So what happened with the sin that was in me, can I carry it into GOD? Nope look what Jesus did with the sin in me....

1 John 3:5... And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

If we pass through the blood or the cross, we ENTER INTO HIM AND IN HIM IS NO SIN... AND IN ME IS NO SIN HE WAS MANIFESTED TO TAKE IT AWAY....

How far does He take it away.... This FAR... Psalm 103:12... As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Terry the cross is also the SEAL between us and evil.... We are COMPLETELY removed from evil and the wicket ne cannot touch us any longer...

1 JOhn 5: 18... We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

DO YOU SEE THAT IN THE BLOOD WE ARE CLEANSED and PAST THE BLOOD WE ARE BORN OF GOD... Rebirth is on the OTHER SIDE OF THE CROSS... NOT THIS SIDE WHERE SIN IS... Rebirth is Either Right under the blood, and given the moment you PASS THROUGH, or it is on the other side of the blood. NOT ON THE SINNING SIDE.
I say the moment we are cleansed we are SAINTS... but then God takes the SAINT thet PERFECT CLEAN PERSON AND GIVES HIM THE NEW LIFE THAT IS EVERLASTING... That life God says is... Titus 2:12... Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

What is a GODLY LIFE in this WORLD if it is noT PERFECT WiThout any UNGODLINESS.... SIN IS UNGODLINES IF ANYTHING EVER WAS UNGODLYNESS SIN IS!!!!!

Tell that to Paul and not me. The thing I will to do I do not. The thing I will not to do that I do. Then He says Thank God for the cross. We cannot sufficiently appease God of our own actions. The just shall live by faith. Faith in what, Christ and Him crucified and nothing else.

 

[SirLucan]

why does the psalmist call the hill holy?

This is your response to what I wrote below? "Why does the psalmist call the hill holy?"
Sad.

Here's what you have not responded to:
"Really, then the hands the crucified Jesus were holy? I'll take the inspired apostle's word over yours. The Romans hands were godless, wicked. But it's just your opinion over the teaching of the Bible. So no big deal. And who's to judge anyways? Right? Instead of looking up a word's definition and then haphazardly splashing that definition carelessly over everything you think it can apply to, why don't you STUDY what is holy in the Bible? Or would that be too difficult?

"So Posthume you say the godless hands were holy. Amazing. Do you see what convoluted conclusion you reach by such a loose method of interpretation?

"I wonder, were the Egyptians holy? Why, out of all nations God set them apart to play a major part in His plan. How about the Babylonians, were they holy. How about Sodom and Gomorrah. Why, there was angel of the Lord in Sodom, certainly they were holy even with their abominations.

"Judas. How about Judas Iscariot? There's a man who Satan entered. Then Judas betrayed the Lord, fulfilling prophecy. Oh, but Judas is holy. Who can believe it? Amazing?

"How about the Romans who cast lots? Were those Romans holy?
"How about the spit? Was the spit that was put upon Jesus, was that holy?"

Come on. Pathetic! No wonder people don't understand the Bible. "I'll look up the word holy. Find a part of the definition that can support my worship of something related to God, and Bam! I am good to go."

Quit calling unholy things holy. Blasphemous.