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Matthew 14:34-36

" When they had crossed over, they came to the
land of Gennesaret. And when the men of that place recognized Him, they sent out into all that surrounding region, brought to Him all who were sick, and begged Him that they might only touch the hem of His garment. And as many as touched it were made perfectly well. "

how is it that as many as touched the hem of His cloak were made whole?

more importantly, by faith in whom was this piece of cotton become such a holy thing to the afflicted?

it wasn't the dust the cross or the garment were made from that consecrated them, but the one that bore & wore them.

if we, too, are commanded to be holy, it is by nothing but the putting on of His righteousness that we can obey. and that, my brothers & sisters, is by the power of His work on the Cross and His resurrection from the grave.

Thou art an artful dodger. Were the hands of the Roman soldiers who crucified Jesus holy? You still have not answered the question.

You portray yourself as a Christian. Then you post Catholic practices. Is the pope holy? Pray tell. Look at all the crosses around him. Is the pope holy? How about the water he uses in services. Is the water holy?

I've seen plastic containers that Catholics use in their services. The words "Holy water" is printed on those containers. Is it holy?

Would you kiss the pope's hand?

Why do you not answer: Were the hands of the Romans who crucified Jesus holy?

You talk all about the holy things in the OT. You say the spit of Jesus was holy? You've got everything under the sun being holy. How about sin, is it holy? According to your convoluted thinking it is. Why not? Sin brought out the grace of God! Oh, so it must be holy. That's were your sentimentalities lead.
 
“The Cross of the Lord is unpleasant and sorrowful to the ear, but it consists of joy and gladness. It is the originator not so much of suffering as much as of passionlessness. For Jews the Cross is temptation, for pagans it is madness, but for us believers it reminds us of our salvation. When in church one reads about the Cross and one is reminded of the sufferings on the Cross, the faithful are indignant at the Cross and let out a plaintive wail and murmur not at the Cross but at the crucifiers and unbelievers. For the Cross is the salvation of the Church, the Cross is the praise of those who hope on it. The Cross has released us from the evil that possessed us and is the beginning of the blessings received by us. The Cross is the reconcilement of His enemies with God, the promise of sinners to Christ. For by the Cross we were freed from enmity and through the Cross we have become amiable to God. The Cross delivered us from the authority of the devil, the Cross saved us from death and destruction. The Cross changed human nature to the angelic, having released it from all that is corruptible, and have found lives worthy of immortality.” “How great is the power of the Cross! How great is the change made by it in the human race! How from the deep darkness it has led us to the boundless light, from death it has restored us to eternal life, from corruption it has transferred us to incorruption. What good is not accomplished for us by means of the Cross? Through the Cross we learned piety and learned the properties of the Divine essence. Through the Cross we learn the truth about God, through the Cross we who were far from Him are united to Christ, and we become worthy of the grace of the Holy Spirit. Through the Cross we learn the power of love and we are taught to die for others. Through the Cross we are scorned and all what we do is not temporal, we search the blessings of the future and we accept the invisible as if seen. The Cross is preached, and the faith in God is confessed, His truth is spread throughout the universe. The Cross is preached, and the faith in the resurrection, the life and the kingdom of heaven is made without a doubt. What is more precious than the Cross and what is more saving for the soul? The Cross is the triumph over demons, the armor against sin and the sword with which the Lord has struck the snake. The Cross is the will of the Father, the glory of the Only-begotten, the joy of the Holy Spirit, the ornament of angels, the protection of the Church, the praise of St. Paul, the protection of the Saints, the lamp of all the world.” “See, however desired and deservedly amiable the Cross is made today, it was the most terrible and shameful sign of the cruelest execution in antiquity! And the Cross makes the best ornament on the imperial crown, the most precious in all the world. The image of the Cross is now found on you, both masters and servants, both wives and husbands, both maidens and married, both slaves and free. All place the sign of the Cross on the noblest part of their body, daily carrying this sign on their forehead, as on a depicted pillar. It shines on a sacred meal, on the clothes of the priest and together with the Lord’s body at the mystical supper. You see it lifted everywhere: on houses, in market-places, in the deserts, on the paths, on mountains and hills, on the sea, on ships, on islands, on boxes, on clothes, on armor, in the halls, on golden and silver vessels, in pictures, on the bodies of sick animals, on the bodies of the demon-possessed, in war, in the world, in the afternoon, at night, in festal assemblies and in the cells of the ascetics. Already no one is ashamed and does not blush at the thought that the Cross is a sign of a shameful death. To the contrary, all of us honor this as an adornment for ourselves, which has surpassed crowns and diadems and precious stones. Let us not run, let us not be frightened, but let us kiss and honor it as an invaluable treasure.”

Sermon of Saint John Crysostom.

“The Cross abolished idolatrous adulation, enlightened the whole universe, gathered all the nations into one Church and united them with love. The Cross is the resurrection of the dead. The Cross is the hope of Christians. The Cross is the staff for the lame. The Cross is comfort for the poor. The Cross is the deposing of the proud. The Cross is the hope of those who despair. The Cross is food for the sailors. The Cross is haven for the bestormed. The Cross is the father for orphans. The Cross is comfort for those who mourn. The Cross is the protector of children. The Cross is the glory of men. The Cross is the crown of elders. The Cross is light for those sitting in darkness. The Cross is freedom for slaves, wisdom for the ignorant. The Cross is the preaching of prophets, the fellow-traveler of apostles. The Cross is the chastity of maidens, the joy of priests. The Cross is the foundation of the Church, the establishment of the universe. The Cross is the destruction of idolatrous temples, temptation for Jews. The Cross is the cleansing of the lepers, the rehabilitation of the enfeebled. The Cross is bread for the hungry, a fountain for the thirsty. The Cross is the good hope of monks, clothing for the naked.
“By this holy armor of the Cross Christ the Lord has terminated the omniconsuming bowels of Hades and blocked the many snares in the mouth of the devil. Having seen the Cross, death trembled and released everyone whom she possessed with the first creature. Armed with the Cross, the God-bearing apostles subdued all the power of the enemy and caught all peoples in their dragnets, and gathered them for the worship of the One Crucified. Clothed in the Cross as in armor, the martyrs of Christ trampled all the plans of torturers and preached with plainness the Divine Cross-bearer. Having taken up the Cross for the sake of Christ, those who renounced everything in the world settled in deserts and on mountains, in caves and became the fasters of the earth. “But what language is worthy to praise the Cross, this invincible wall of the Orthodox, this victorious armor of the Heavenly King?! By the cross the Almighty One bestowed unspeakable blessings on humanity!” “Therefore on the forehead, and on the eyes, and on the mouth, and on the breasts let us place the life-giving Cross. Let us arm them with the invincible armor of Christians, with this hope of the faithful, with this gentle light. Let us open paradise with this armor, with this support of the Orthodox faith, with this saving praise of the Church. Neither in one hour, nor in one instant, let us not forget the Cross, nor let us begin to do anything without it. But let us sleep, let us arise, let us work, let us eat, let us drink, let us go on our way, let us sail on the seas, let us go across the river, let us adorn all our members with the life-giving Cross. And let us not be frightened ‘by the terror of the night, nor by the arrow that flies by day, nor by anything roaming in darkness, nor by any calamity, nor any noonday demon’ (Ps. 90:5, 6). If, O Christian, you will always take up the Cross of Christ on yourself as a help, then ‘evil shall not come towards you, nor any scourge come near your habitation’: for the opposition power seeing it trembles and leaves.”

Sermon of Saint Ephraim the Syrian.

Hope they have explained something to u.
 
Exodus 30:17-21 gives instructions for the priests to wash their hands, an act of consecration, so that in handling the sacrifices - called 'holy to the Lord' - "they would not die"

are the hands of the priests holy?

what washes our own hands?

what work of God has consecrated us, if we take it up in faith? where were His mercies poured out for us? by whose blood are we washed?

the soldier that slapped Christ's face, and so sprinkled His blood on his palm, that same hand was in the same way consecrated to the purpose of the atonement by His blood.


 
Again i tell u,u must search about the answers.U will find anything u need in the decisions of Ecumenical Councils.I think,because i have read it somewhere,that it was strongly said that part of Jesus body cannot be worshiped.I must search it and then tell u everything.

Okay. Why didn't you just say in the beginning that you don't take the Bible as your guide, your sole source of authority? You would have saved a lot of time. You should have just come out and said: "Sir Lucan, I say I am a Christian, but I am not a Bible Christian. I am Catholic Christian. I believe the teaching of men who were not inspired."

Were the hands of the Romans who crucified Jesus holy? The Bible has the answer. I don't know what the Catholics teach. But what do you say? What part of the Bible do you believe? What part don't you believe?
 
Delija, how can God make you free from sin if you do not believe that HE WILL DO IT? Where is the FAITH that puts God in action? Why do you let SATAN tell you.... YOU WILL NEVER BE HOLY? God said... BE HOLY FOR I AM HOLY... If he said BE, then HE WILL....

I am not here to judge you, I am here to judge your doctrine... God says and COMMANDED me to REPROOF you... How often did I do it with KERRY ... Plenty... There is only ONE doctrine that STANDS against the river flood... the one ON CHRIST.. and that is PERFECTION IN CHRIST...

Only the perfection in Christ will not contradict ONE OF GOD's STATUTES AND WILLS... Only that. There is no other...

My friend let us walk a mile or two, and let us see if we even can get ONE sin away from you... Let us confess that sin, and let us ASK GOD for the way out of that sin... Let us do as 1 John says... come, walk with me and we FOLLOW Jesus... LET US TRUST THE LEAD OF THE HOLY SPIRIT... You know what the Holy Spirit tells you to confess, now DO SO!
 
Exodus 30:17-21 gives instructions for the priests to wash their hands, an act of consecration, so that in handling the sacrifices - called 'holy to the Lord' - "they would not die"

are the hands of the priests holy?

what washes our own hands?

what work of God has consecrated us, if we take it up in faith? where were His mercies poured out for us? by whose blood are we washed?

the soldier that slapped Christ's face, and so sprinkled His blood on his palm, that same hand was in the same way consecrated to the purpose of the atonement by His blood.



Answer this. Yes or no. WERE THE HANDS OF THE ROMAN SOLDIERS WHO CRUCIFIED JESUS HOLY? A simple Yes or No will do. Were they holy?

To demonstrate your confusion and convoluted thinking, here's where your reasoning leads. I'll put it in quotes so you don't confuse it as if they were my words.

"There is no need for Aaron and priests in the OT. Why? Because all of Israel was holy. The Lord was wrong. He should have let every Israelite into the holy place. Why? Because each person was holy."

Do you know what holy means?

If God says something is holy, it is holy.

You've misapplied the term holy.
 
Exodus 30:17-21 gives instructions for the priests to wash their hands, an act of consecration, so that in handling the sacrifices - called 'holy to the Lord' - "they would not die"

are the hands of the priests holy?


what washes our own hands?

what work of God has consecrated us, if we take it up in faith? where were His mercies poured out for us? by whose blood are we washed?

the soldier that slapped Christ's face, and so sprinkled His blood on his palm, that same hand was in the same way consecrated to the purpose of the atonement by His blood.



Were the hands of the Roman soldiers who crucified Jesus holy? Yes or No.
 
Okay. Why didn't you just say in the beginning that you don't take the Bible as your guide, your sole source of authority? You would have saved a lot of time. You should have just come out and said: "Sir Lucan, I say I am a Christian, but I am not a Bible Christian. I am Catholic Christian. I believe the teaching of men who were not inspired."

Were the hands of the Romans who crucified Jesus holy? The Bible has the answer. I don't know what the Catholics teach. But what do you say? What part of the Bible do you believe? What part don't you believe?

And who is your guider?
And u called me not a Bible Christian?Christianity without Bible do not exist.Better say who established your denomination please,instead u telling I believe in man not in God.This what u said are serious things,but how can u know that,when u grow away of the True Church.I am Catholic,but am not Roman Catholic.My Church isn't denominational,my Church is pre-denominational,older then any of those u know.
“We’re not Jewish, but we are Orthodox,”
“We’re not Roman, but we are Catholic”
“We’re not Protestants, but the Bible came from us,”
“We are not Denominational, we’re Pre-Denominational”.

Research who and what existed before Great Schism.Inform yourself about history of the Church.
 
Exodus 30:17-21 gives instructions for the priests to wash their hands, an act of consecration, so that in handling the sacrifices - called 'holy to the Lord' - "they would not die"

are the hands of the priests holy?

what washes our own hands?

what work of God has consecrated us, if we take it up in faith? where were His mercies poured out for us? by whose blood are we washed?

the soldier that slapped Christ's face, and so sprinkled His blood on his palm, that same hand was in the same way consecrated to the purpose of the atonement by His blood.



The Bible says those hands were holy. I believe they are holy. No problem. God says they are holy. Who are the priests? Were they the only who could enter the temple?

"What washes our own hands?" Sometimes I use Irish Spring. Sometimes I use Palmolive dish soap. Sometimes I use Soft Soap. Sometimes I use hand sanitizer.

What washes my sins away? That's my question. I want a clean physical body, yes. But I am more concerned about my spirit. So I don't know why you are so concerned about the physical cross, the physical body. Are you familiar with the spiritual cleansing?

Were the hands of the Roman soldiers who crucified Jesus holy? Still waiting for your response.
 
“The Cross of the Lord is unpleasant and sorrowful to the ear, but it consists of joy and gladness. It is the originator not so much of suffering as much as of passionlessness. For Jews the Cross is temptation, for pagans it is madness, but for us believers it reminds us of our salvation. When in church one reads about the Cross and one is reminded of the sufferings on the Cross, the faithful are indignant at the Cross and let out a plaintive wail and murmur not at the Cross but at the crucifiers and unbelievers. For the Cross is the salvation of the Church, the Cross is the praise of those who hope on it. The Cross has released us from the evil that possessed us and is the beginning of the blessings received by us. The Cross is the reconcilement of His enemies with God, the promise of sinners to Christ. For by the Cross we were freed from enmity and through the Cross we have become amiable to God. The Cross delivered us from the authority of the devil, the Cross saved us from death and destruction. The Cross changed human nature to the angelic, having released it from all that is corruptible, and have found lives worthy of immortality.” “How great is the power of the Cross! How great is the change made by it in the human race! How from the deep darkness it has led us to the boundless light, from death it has restored us to eternal life, from corruption it has transferred us to incorruption. What good is not accomplished for us by means of the Cross? Through the Cross we learned piety and learned the properties of the Divine essence. Through the Cross we learn the truth about God, through the Cross we who were far from Him are united to Christ, and we become worthy of the grace of the Holy Spirit. Through the Cross we learn the power of love and we are taught to die for others. Through the Cross we are scorned and all what we do is not temporal, we search the blessings of the future and we accept the invisible as if seen. The Cross is preached, and the faith in God is confessed, His truth is spread throughout the universe. The Cross is preached, and the faith in the resurrection, the life and the kingdom of heaven is made without a doubt. What is more precious than the Cross and what is more saving for the soul? The Cross is the triumph over demons, the armor against sin and the sword with which the Lord has struck the snake. The Cross is the will of the Father, the glory of the Only-begotten, the joy of the Holy Spirit, the ornament of angels, the protection of the Church, the praise of St. Paul, the protection of the Saints, the lamp of all the world.” “See, however desired and deservedly amiable the Cross is made today, it was the most terrible and shameful sign of the cruelest execution in antiquity! And the Cross makes the best ornament on the imperial crown, the most precious in all the world. The image of the Cross is now found on you, both masters and servants, both wives and husbands, both maidens and married, both slaves and free. All place the sign of the Cross on the noblest part of their body, daily carrying this sign on their forehead, as on a depicted pillar. It shines on a sacred meal, on the clothes of the priest and together with the Lord’s body at the mystical supper. You see it lifted everywhere: on houses, in market-places, in the deserts, on the paths, on mountains and hills, on the sea, on ships, on islands, on boxes, on clothes, on armor, in the halls, on golden and silver vessels, in pictures, on the bodies of sick animals, on the bodies of the demon-possessed, in war, in the world, in the afternoon, at night, in festal assemblies and in the cells of the ascetics. Already no one is ashamed and does not blush at the thought that the Cross is a sign of a shameful death. To the contrary, all of us honor this as an adornment for ourselves, which has surpassed crowns and diadems and precious stones. Let us not run, let us not be frightened, but let us kiss and honor it as an invaluable treasure.”

Sermon of Saint John Crysostom.

“The Cross abolished idolatrous adulation, enlightened the whole universe, gathered all the nations into one Church and united them with love. The Cross is the resurrection of the dead. The Cross is the hope of Christians. The Cross is the staff for the lame. The Cross is comfort for the poor. The Cross is the deposing of the proud. The Cross is the hope of those who despair. The Cross is food for the sailors. The Cross is haven for the bestormed. The Cross is the father for orphans. The Cross is comfort for those who mourn. The Cross is the protector of children. The Cross is the glory of men. The Cross is the crown of elders. The Cross is light for those sitting in darkness. The Cross is freedom for slaves, wisdom for the ignorant. The Cross is the preaching of prophets, the fellow-traveler of apostles. The Cross is the chastity of maidens, the joy of priests. The Cross is the foundation of the Church, the establishment of the universe. The Cross is the destruction of idolatrous temples, temptation for Jews. The Cross is the cleansing of the lepers, the rehabilitation of the enfeebled. The Cross is bread for the hungry, a fountain for the thirsty. The Cross is the good hope of monks, clothing for the naked.
“By this holy armor of the Cross Christ the Lord has terminated the omniconsuming bowels of Hades and blocked the many snares in the mouth of the devil. Having seen the Cross, death trembled and released everyone whom she possessed with the first creature. Armed with the Cross, the God-bearing apostles subdued all the power of the enemy and caught all peoples in their dragnets, and gathered them for the worship of the One Crucified. Clothed in the Cross as in armor, the martyrs of Christ trampled all the plans of torturers and preached with plainness the Divine Cross-bearer. Having taken up the Cross for the sake of Christ, those who renounced everything in the world settled in deserts and on mountains, in caves and became the fasters of the earth. “But what language is worthy to praise the Cross, this invincible wall of the Orthodox, this victorious armor of the Heavenly King?! By the cross the Almighty One bestowed unspeakable blessings on humanity!” “Therefore on the forehead, and on the eyes, and on the mouth, and on the breasts let us place the life-giving Cross. Let us arm them with the invincible armor of Christians, with this hope of the faithful, with this gentle light. Let us open paradise with this armor, with this support of the Orthodox faith, with this saving praise of the Church. Neither in one hour, nor in one instant, let us not forget the Cross, nor let us begin to do anything without it. But let us sleep, let us arise, let us work, let us eat, let us drink, let us go on our way, let us sail on the seas, let us go across the river, let us adorn all our members with the life-giving Cross. And let us not be frightened ‘by the terror of the night, nor by the arrow that flies by day, nor by anything roaming in darkness, nor by any calamity, nor any noonday demon’ (Ps. 90:5, 6). If, O Christian, you will always take up the Cross of Christ on yourself as a help, then ‘evil shall not come towards you, nor any scourge come near your habitation’: for the opposition power seeing it trembles and leaves.”

Sermon of Saint Ephraim the Syrian.

Hope they have explained something to u.

Are you serious? Who is saint Ephraim? Are you a saint? Why the upper S in saint. Are you holy? Are you Saint Delija? Or are you a saint? Pray tell.

Were the hands of the Romans who crucified Jesus holy? Yes or No.
Read the Bible. It will help.
 
And who is your guider?
And u called me not a Bible Christian?Christianity without Bible do not exist.Better say who established your denomination please,instead u telling I believe in man not in God.This what u said are serious things,but how can u know that,when u grow away of the True Church.I am Catholic,but am not Roman Catholic.My Church isn't denominational,my Church is pre-denominational,older then any of those u know.
“We’re not Jewish, but we are Orthodox,”
“We’re not Roman, but we are Catholic”
“We’re not Protestants, but the Bible came from us,”
“We are not Denominational, we’re Pre-Denominational”.

Research who and what existed before Great Schism.Inform yourself about history of the Church.

Well I know the history of the church. It's in the Bible.

Who built the church? Let me see? The Bible says Jesus is the builder.

Who is the head of the body, the church? The Bible says Jesus is the head of the body, the church.

Who are the members of the church? The Bible says those obey the gospel are the members.

Does the church have a pope? How about a president? No. Can't find that in the Bible.

Whose teaching does the church follow? Well, if Christ is the head of the body, the church then it follows the teaching of Jesus.

Did the church ever come together as a group? The Bible says they met in homes. They sang praises to God. They prayed. They broke bread.

I don't care what men say, I rely on God and His word.
 
And who is your guider?
And u called me not a Bible Christian?Christianity without Bible do not exist.Better say who established your denomination please,instead u telling I believe in man not in God.This what u said are serious things,but how can u know that,when u grow away of the True Church.I am Catholic,but am not Roman Catholic.My Church isn't denominational,my Church is pre-denominational,older then any of those u know.
“We’re not Jewish, but we are Orthodox,”
“We’re not Roman, but we are Catholic”
“We’re not Protestants, but the Bible came from us,”
“We are not Denominational, we’re Pre-Denominational”.

Research who and what existed before Great Schism.Inform yourself about history of the Church.

“We’re not Protestants, but the Bible came from us,” All scripture is given by inspiration of God. And who are the us? Pray tell. I am not protestant. I am not Catholic. I a servant of the Lord Jesus Christ. He is my Master. I bow to Him and to Him only.

I do not listen to popes or dopes. I do listen to cardinals or blue jays (Well, I do if they're chirping and singing in the morning). I listen to the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
“The Cross of the Lord is unpleasant and sorrowful to the ear, but it consists of joy and gladness. It is the originator not so much of suffering as much as of passionlessness. For Jews the Cross is temptation, for pagans it is madness, but for us believers it reminds us of our salvation. When in church one reads about the Cross and one is reminded of the sufferings on the Cross, the faithful are indignant at the Cross and let out a plaintive wail and murmur not at the Cross but at the crucifiers and unbelievers. For the Cross is the salvation of the Church, the Cross is the praise of those who hope on it. The Cross has released us from the evil that possessed us and is the beginning of the blessings received by us. The Cross is the reconcilement of His enemies with God, the promise of sinners to Christ. For by the Cross we were freed from enmity and through the Cross we have become amiable to God. The Cross delivered us from the authority of the devil, the Cross saved us from death and destruction. The Cross changed human nature to the angelic, having released it from all that is corruptible, and have found lives worthy of immortality.” “How great is the power of the Cross! How great is the change made by it in the human race! How from the deep darkness it has led us to the boundless light, from death it has restored us to eternal life, from corruption it has transferred us to incorruption. What good is not accomplished for us by means of the Cross? Through the Cross we learned piety and learned the properties of the Divine essence. Through the Cross we learn the truth about God, through the Cross we who were far from Him are united to Christ, and we become worthy of the grace of the Holy Spirit. Through the Cross we learn the power of love and we are taught to die for others. Through the Cross we are scorned and all what we do is not temporal, we search the blessings of the future and we accept the invisible as if seen. The Cross is preached, and the faith in God is confessed, His truth is spread throughout the universe. The Cross is preached, and the faith in the resurrection, the life and the kingdom of heaven is made without a doubt. What is more precious than the Cross and what is more saving for the soul? The Cross is the triumph over demons, the armor against sin and the sword with which the Lord has struck the snake. The Cross is the will of the Father, the glory of the Only-begotten, the joy of the Holy Spirit, the ornament of angels, the protection of the Church, the praise of St. Paul, the protection of the Saints, the lamp of all the world.” “See, however desired and deservedly amiable the Cross is made today, it was the most terrible and shameful sign of the cruelest execution in antiquity! And the Cross makes the best ornament on the imperial crown, the most precious in all the world. The image of the Cross is now found on you, both masters and servants, both wives and husbands, both maidens and married, both slaves and free. All place the sign of the Cross on the noblest part of their body, daily carrying this sign on their forehead, as on a depicted pillar. It shines on a sacred meal, on the clothes of the priest and together with the Lord’s body at the mystical supper. You see it lifted everywhere: on houses, in market-places, in the deserts, on the paths, on mountains and hills, on the sea, on ships, on islands, on boxes, on clothes, on armor, in the halls, on golden and silver vessels, in pictures, on the bodies of sick animals, on the bodies of the demon-possessed, in war, in the world, in the afternoon, at night, in festal assemblies and in the cells of the ascetics. Already no one is ashamed and does not blush at the thought that the Cross is a sign of a shameful death. To the contrary, all of us honor this as an adornment for ourselves, which has surpassed crowns and diadems and precious stones. Let us not run, let us not be frightened, but let us kiss and honor it as an invaluable treasure.”

Sermon of Saint John Crysostom.

“The Cross abolished idolatrous adulation, enlightened the whole universe, gathered all the nations into one Church and united them with love. The Cross is the resurrection of the dead. The Cross is the hope of Christians. The Cross is the staff for the lame. The Cross is comfort for the poor. The Cross is the deposing of the proud. The Cross is the hope of those who despair. The Cross is food for the sailors. The Cross is haven for the bestormed. The Cross is the father for orphans. The Cross is comfort for those who mourn. The Cross is the protector of children. The Cross is the glory of men. The Cross is the crown of elders. The Cross is light for those sitting in darkness. The Cross is freedom for slaves, wisdom for the ignorant. The Cross is the preaching of prophets, the fellow-traveler of apostles. The Cross is the chastity of maidens, the joy of priests. The Cross is the foundation of the Church, the establishment of the universe. The Cross is the destruction of idolatrous temples, temptation for Jews. The Cross is the cleansing of the lepers, the rehabilitation of the enfeebled. The Cross is bread for the hungry, a fountain for the thirsty. The Cross is the good hope of monks, clothing for the naked.
“By this holy armor of the Cross Christ the Lord has terminated the omniconsuming bowels of Hades and blocked the many snares in the mouth of the devil. Having seen the Cross, death trembled and released everyone whom she possessed with the first creature. Armed with the Cross, the God-bearing apostles subdued all the power of the enemy and caught all peoples in their dragnets, and gathered them for the worship of the One Crucified. Clothed in the Cross as in armor, the martyrs of Christ trampled all the plans of torturers and preached with plainness the Divine Cross-bearer. Having taken up the Cross for the sake of Christ, those who renounced everything in the world settled in deserts and on mountains, in caves and became the fasters of the earth. “But what language is worthy to praise the Cross, this invincible wall of the Orthodox, this victorious armor of the Heavenly King?! By the cross the Almighty One bestowed unspeakable blessings on humanity!” “Therefore on the forehead, and on the eyes, and on the mouth, and on the breasts let us place the life-giving Cross. Let us arm them with the invincible armor of Christians, with this hope of the faithful, with this gentle light. Let us open paradise with this armor, with this support of the Orthodox faith, with this saving praise of the Church. Neither in one hour, nor in one instant, let us not forget the Cross, nor let us begin to do anything without it. But let us sleep, let us arise, let us work, let us eat, let us drink, let us go on our way, let us sail on the seas, let us go across the river, let us adorn all our members with the life-giving Cross. And let us not be frightened ‘by the terror of the night, nor by the arrow that flies by day, nor by anything roaming in darkness, nor by any calamity, nor any noonday demon’ (Ps. 90:5, 6). If, O Christian, you will always take up the Cross of Christ on yourself as a help, then ‘evil shall not come towards you, nor any scourge come near your habitation’: for the opposition power seeing it trembles and leaves.”

Sermon of Saint Ephraim the Syrian.

Hope they have explained something to u.

You do know this idolatry. It is. I skimmed through it. The writer replaces the spiritual with the physical. Don't you see that? It is wrong.

Because Jesus was sacrificed for the sins of the world, we have salvation through His name. That's what matters. The word 'cross' is used in place of that work that sacrifice. But the cross itself is not the work. The cross is not the savior. Jesus is the Savior. Do you not see that? Yes He died on a cross, but that doesn't make the cross holy. The plan was holy. The sacrifice is holy.
 
Well I know the history of the church. It's in the Bible.

Who built the church? Let me see? The Bible says Jesus is the builder.

Who is the head of the body, the church? The Bible says Jesus is the head of the body, the church.

Who are the members of the church? The Bible says those obey the gospel are the members.

Does the church have a pope? How about a president? No. Can't find that in the Bible.

Whose teaching does the church follow? Well, if Christ is the head of the body, the church then it follows the teaching of Jesus.

Did the church ever come together as a group? The Bible says they met in homes. They sang praises to God. They prayed. They broke bread.

I don't care what men say, I rely on God and His word.

History of the Church isn't in Bible.
 
History of the Church isn't in Bible.

It isn't?

Pray tell. Who built the church? If there's a history, there's a builder. Who built the church?

If there's a history, there's a beginning. When did the church begin? Was it in the days of Noah? Maybe in the days of Moses. Pray tell.

I could go on and on.

Here's the issue. It does not matter what is written outside the Bible about so-called history of the church. What matters is that we have the Bible. We can follow it. Whatever other people said or did, does not determine my salvation. I believe the Bible.

Suppose your history tells you that men long ago decided to appoint one man as the earthly leader of the church. Would you follow that man even though such a thing is not taught in the Bible? I'm referring to the pope. He is not my leader. I don't listen to him.

"History of the Church?" The church doesn't really have a history. At least not the church that Jesus built. It has a life. An eternal existence. It was in the mind of God before the beginning. It continues to this day. It is built on eternal truths.

The Catholic church has a history, yes. Yes, it began with men and ends there. It's ways are corrupt. Have you studied the history of the Catholic church? That's not Christ's church. The Catholic church has sought to keep the truth from people. Latin. Latin. Latin. They've used fear to subdue the lowly. Purgatory.

Just yesterday one Catholic leader was fired, dismissed. Why? Because he spent $30 million dollars on his living quarters. That's the history of the Catholic church.
 
Matthew 14:34-36

" When they had crossed over, they came to the
land of Gennesaret. And when the men of that place recognized Him, they sent out into all that surrounding region, brought to Him all who were sick, and begged Him that they might only touch the hem of His garment. And as many as touched it were made perfectly well. "

how is it that as many as touched the hem of His cloak were made whole?

more importantly, by faith in whom was this piece of cotton become such a holy thing to the afflicted?

it wasn't the dust the cross or the garment were made from that consecrated them, but the one that bore & wore them.

if we, too, are commanded to be holy, it is by nothing but the putting on of His righteousness that we can obey. and that, my brothers & sisters, is by the power of His work on the Cross and His resurrection from the grave.

Thou remainest an artful dodger. WERE THE HANDS OF THE ROMAN SOLDIERS WHO CRUCIFIED JESUS HOLY?
 
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Ah the CHURCH, the ONLY Church of GOD... Well here is the problem with people NEEDING THE CROSS... They still NEED to repent... Why did Jesus NOT NEED the Cross, but HE HUNG ON THE CROSS? So that HE CAN DESTROY the WORKS OF SATAN...

Is SIN Satans work? What about TEMPTATION... Satan CANNOT sin in your place... God says to Cain.. if you do well there is acceptance, if you do not do well, sin lieth at teh door and unto thee shall be his desire.... SEE SIN WANTS YOU... If you sin HE GETS YOU...

God wants you, if you come clean HE GETS YOU... HE ACCEPTS YOU... Only THEN you need no cross.... but then GOD CARRIES ON... This is what you do not understand... LAck of knowledge... I think so... and when we share what we know, the TRUTH we are the enimy... no come on go read what we teach in the WORD...
 
Still waiting for your response.


i'm not beholden to you. i'm not trying to win your praise, approval or your 'ducats.' i'm magnifying the work of the Lord in his crucifixion & resurrection. what are you doing? you can't even see that i've answered your question over again more than once.

i'm not concerned with the physical cross or the body. if you read what i've posted, you'll notice i called them nothing, mere dust.

what makes anything holy?

Christ said "be holy" -- are your hands holy? are my hands holy? how is it so?

when God spoke to Moses at the burning bush, why did the Lord call the ground there holy? is it still holy now?

it doesn't matter. these are just words, and i see these words are taking you, little brother, into scorn & disbelief, causing divisions & moving you to accuse your brothers and sisters of all heresy & idolatry. i don't want to further that.

what is important is that we understand that God's gift to us, Christ crucified & resurrected - the glory of his grace & power - only through this are we ourselves sanctified & consecrated to Him, only through this are we set apart to Him, and only through His righteousness, through His sacrifice, are we able to have communion with Him.

when i say "but for the cross" i don't mean a stick of wood; i mean the great work of God done on that bit of dead tree. this confusion is why it's said 'the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those that are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.'

i love that you hate idolatry so much. Saul, too, hated idolatry, but in his blindness he attacked the believers, before God opened his eyes.
later he was able to say (in Philippians), that what was meant for evil was really used to advance the gospel. Joseph, too, said the same of his brothers selling him into slavery - "you meant it for evil, but God meant it for good"
may your accusations & mockery too, be used to cause reflection & meditation on the Word, and so cause us to be edified.