rock and roll is wicked

[NoahsDad]

For example w.r.t the quote by Lennon as being "bigger than Jesus", it helps to consider the whole story, Lennon's apology, and the context in which he made that statement.

http://beatlesnumber9.com/biggerjesus.html



Intro:


On March 4, 1966, this quote of John's was printed in an interview by reporter (and friend of John's) Maureen Cleave in the London Evening Standard:
"Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue with that; I'm right and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first - rock 'n' roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me."
He was, as she reported, reading extensively about religion at the time. It was a small part of the article. No one took notice of it in Britain.
And then, five months later, on July 29, a teen magazine in the US of A (land of the free, especially religious freedom), Datebook, reprinted the quote out of context instead of submerged in an article, and used it as a part of a front cover story. Radio stations in the south banned Beatles music. There were rallies of boys and girls stomping on their records and bonfires of Beatles material. John recieved death threats, and the KKK protestsed a Beatle concert in Alabama (because, apparently, it seemed like the Christian thing to do). This statement, hardly noticed in the UK, was completely taken out of context and the bible belt of the hypocritical southern states was used to beat Lennon and The Beatles in a very unfair and very non-Christian way. John was not comparing the Beatles to Christ or god or religion. The quote as it appears here, IN CONTEXT, is just John being John and using things he knew about in a way he naturally spoke to a friend/reporter. The Jesus lovers, acting in their best Christ-like behaviour, threatened to kill John.





Intro:


On March 4, 1966, this quote of John's was printed in an interview by reporter (and friend of John's) Maureen Cleave in the London Evening Standard:
"Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue with that; I'm right and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first - rock 'n' roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me."
He was, as she reported, reading extensively about religion at the time. It was a small part of the article. No one took notice of it in Britain.
And then, five months later, on July 29, a teen magazine in the US of A (land of the free, especially religious freedom), Datebook, reprinted the quote out of context instead of submerged in an article, and used it as a part of a front cover story.
Radio stations in the south banned Beatles music. There were rallies of boys and girls stomping on their records and bonfires of Beatles material. John recieved death threats, and the KKK protestsed a Beatle concert in Alabama (because, apparently, it seemed like the Christian thing to do).
This statement, hardly noticed in the UK, was completely taken out of context and the bible belt of the hypocritical southern states was used to beat Lennon and The Beatles in a very unfair and very non-Christian way. John was not comparing the Beatles to Christ or god or religion. The quote as it appears here, IN CONTEXT, is just John being John and using things he knew about in a way he naturally spoke to a friend/reporter. The Jesus lovers, acting in their best Christ-like behaviour, threatened to kill John.
Who says terrorism is limited to radical Islam?


The Apology
John: "If I had said television is more popular than Jesus, I might have got away with it, but I just happened to be talking to a friend and I used the words "Beatles" as a remote thing, not as what I think - as Beatles, as those other Beatles like other people see us. I just said "they" are having more influence on kids and things than anything else, including Jesus. But I said it in that way which is the wrong way."
Reporter: "Some teenagers have repeated your statements - "I like the Beatles more than Jesus Christ." What do you think about that?"
John: "Well, originally I pointed out that fact in reference to England. That we meant more to kids than Jesus did, or religion at that time. I wasn't knocking it or putting it down. I was just saying it as a fact and it's true more for England than here. I'm not saying that we're better or greater, or comparing us with Jesus Christ as a person or God as a thing or whatever it is. I just said what I said and it was wrong. Or it was taken wrong. And now it's all this." Reporter: "But are you prepared to apologize?" John (thinking that he had just apologized, because he did): "I wasn't saying whatever they're saying I was saying. I'm sorry I said it really. I never meant it to be a lousy anti-religious thing. I apologize if that will make you happy. I still don't know quite what I've done. I've tried to tell you what I did do but if you want me to apologize, if that will make you happy, then OK, I'm sorry."

I like that mohog.
But I still dont like the song "Imagine"

 

[jaylynn83]

Yesterday is my favorite

 

[LynnJ]

Yes, God does the work and we are just the witnesses. But I do not see that the NT places a restriction against using music to witness/testify about God's goodness and redemptive grace. Jesus tells us to be witnesses, but I don't see where he restricts it to the spoken word . . . it could be sung and set to music, as long as it honors God and bears witness to God's Word.

Acts 1:8 - But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.

The word witness means to "give evidence, to attest to something, to give public affirmation," but I don't think it necessarily need to be spoken. It can be sung in any genre as long as the message is godly.

Just my thoughts . . .

 

[LynnJ]

haha, oh man... how we waste our time focusing on things that don't really matter. Funny. Sad, yet funny.

Amen! That happens a lot here!

 

[Shyness]

To tell you the truth, I listen to rock and roll music all the time and it is one of my favorite genre and I can assure you that there is nothing in the bible that condemns the entire genre of rock and roll.

 

[XDivineAngelX]

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH CHRISTIAN ROCK OR METAL! ITS JUST SHOWING HOW HARDCORE PPLS ARE FOR JESUS CHRIST AND REALLY THATS ALL THAT SHOULD MATTER IN THIS!

 

[dothackzero]

Really, there's nothing wrong with any Genre of music. It's more about how it's used, and if it's used to serve God or not. Seriously, even Black Metal, or Death Metal could be used to serve God.

 

[Charlotte91]

it is about lyrics than define christian/non christian not the music the music is just a beat so i dont see the problem with it

 

[Graybeard]

no matter how you try to disguise poo it still is poo!

 

[broken]

I just had a flash back to 1986, a video in a church, going home to smash buddy holly records. Buddy holly the anti-christ

 

[Semiazas]

anybody remember back when it was en vogue to believe that if u play certain songs backwards, u can hear satanic messages?

 

[Harley_Angel]

We did that in my psychology class, and I'm pretty sure there was a song by Queen that when played backwords says rather clearly something abotu going to smoke some pot.

 

[MahogonySnail]

If you play Queen forwards some songs are very anti-religion hehehehe.

 

[theguy]

Original poster: I'm sorry! you are entiltled to your opinion but I have to completely disagree with your evaluation that christian rock is no good because of the rock musical genre element. Every example you use, (except for a couple that are way out there) are referring to the message of the music. The message in music is contained within lyrics. How can a melody, chioce of musical instrument, gain settings, reverb, effects pedals, full drum sets sned messages. Your way of thinking is clearly illogical. It's okay if you don't like fast tempos, distorted guitars, and loud drumming. You obviouly don't like the genre....But where do you get off saying that Christain rock is not good? I suppose we should also not listen to Christian Comics either, after all they are using a microphone and performance format just like secular comics.

This was the silliest thing I've read in a long time. And as far as it being bad because its "watered down". Should we condem the witness of the Lord that tones his language down as to not send a potential convert running for the hills. You must think alot of yourself.

The message is in the words! not the tune....Really~!!?!!

 

[Godsholywrath]

This is why we NEED an authoritarian Christian military dictatorship to ban the hearing of rock and roll music and conduct state censorships and book burnings, A government like that would please Christ.

 

[imoss]

anybody remember back when it was en vogue to believe that if u play certain songs backwards, u can hear satanic messages?

\yup... pulls out and soaks false teeth... i remember playing van halen backwards and thinking amoungst the gobbly gook we heard something about satan... I dunno, overactive imagination i think. and yes snail... most of em dont disguise their antiChristian lyrics. I used to LOVE ACDC... now i just cant stomach them... rather listen to Road to Emmaus "highway to heaven" than highway to hell at this point in my life... but hey... thats just me.

 

[Graybeard]

There is so much debate about this, I think of it this way(not to say I don't like rock) that when rock and heavy metal etc started, it was all for the glory of Satan, I don't think anyone can dispute that because all the lyrics where rebellion against God, so who was the chief musician in Heaven?...Satan before he fell!, so with his qualifications and his goal to deceive as many souls as possible why not use what he knew best as a tool to lure souls away from God...would not you in his position?
anyone who slaps Christian lyrics to like death metal and then says it's alright is way deceived.
Some say it is a way to reach the lost, so now does that mean to reach out to a prostitute one should jump into bed with her, after all, that would be the best place to win her over would it not

 

[Harley_Angel]

This is why we NEED an authoritarian Christian military dictatorship to ban the hearing of rock and roll music and conduct state censorships and book burnings, A government like that would please Christ.

This made me lol so hard I nearly fell out of my chair...not gonna lie.

 

[Semiazas]

This is why we NEED an authoritarian Christian military dictatorship to ban the hearing of rock and roll music and conduct state censorships and book burnings, A government like that would please Christ.

i think mahoganysnail would agree. start by destroying all those evil walmarts eh?

 

[Harley_Angel]

I'm still waiting for Corporate Church American, headed by none other than walmart. It would supply drive by confessions, your choice of at least 13 different communion wines and 5 different wafers, and customized personal services you pick and chose off a menu screen. You can also visit the convienent wal-mart attached to the Chapel for all your daily wal-mart needs.