THE CROSS

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Delija what do you make of the SCRIPTURE of the grain of wheat? God says this...Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

I would be a FOOL to think God would raise Jesus in me if I am still alive... A FOOL I TELL YOU... I have TO DIE OFF THE DLEH BEFORE GOD WILL RESURRECT JESUS IN ME....


How do I die off the flesh? Do you think GOd tells A CHRISTIAN, not a SAINT OR PERFECT MAN... A DISCIPLE OF CHRISTIAN...


Wait let me fist get your thoughts in the right order.... God calls a sinner... then the sinner becomes a "disciple of christian" then the Christian becomes a saint, the the saint perfected is a CHILD OF GOD - Perfect man...Christ Jesus in the man, and the MAN IN CHRIST JESUS...


So let us now look again.... So here goes again... God calls a sinner, and a desciple is told to .... PICK UP YOUR CROSS AND FOLLOW THE HOLY SPIRIT... The first thing I notise is the disciple has to FOLLOW... So no follow no cigar... NO cross no cigar...


The disciple follows and the Holy Spirit is said to LEAD IN RIGHTEOUSNESS TO RIGHTEOUSNESS.... So it looks like the HOly Spirit is not going to FOLLOW YOU IN SIN, but He will WAIT IN ROGHTEOUSNESS for you to COME BACK AND FOLLOW HIM..
. Makes sence,,,, HE CANNOT GO INTO DARKNESS, HE WILL CHASE ALL DARKNESS OUT... LIGHT CHASE OUT DARKNESS...


So then I see you have to FOLLOW DAILY... NOW what do you follow when you do sin that day? Does the Holy Spirit lead you into sin? NO NEVER... so obviously if you sin, you do not FOLLOW THE HOLY SPIRIT... you follow the FLESH, and that is why you have to bring a cross... TO NAIL THAT LUST OF THE FLESH TO THE CROSS.... Let me tell you something TRUE today.... If YOU NAIL SWEARING TO THE CROSS WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT TELLS YOU TOO, THAT SWEARIN WILL DIE THAT MOMENT ON THAT CROSS.... WHEN GOD'S BLOOD ON THE CROSS TAKE THE SEWARING FROM THE CROSS, HE REMOVES IT FROM YOU AS DEAD AS ANYTHING ON THE CROSS....


When GOD FORGIVES YOU A SIN, HE REMOVES IT FROM YOU AS DEAD!!!! AND WHEN HE REMOVES IT, IT IS DEAD! God will not revive that sin for you EVER... and Satan cannot revive.. And so does God with ALL THE OLD MAN... God lets you NAIL ALL THE OLD ON THE CROSS... until there is NO OLD.. ALL OLD DEAD!!! If ine sin is still in you, you live in lust, WHEN THE WHOLE OLD DIED, only THEN can GOD QUICKEN and make ALIVE...


But here is the WONDERFUL TRUTH... God does not make alive the OLD SINNER... God makes alive JESUS IN YOU... Christ Jesus the PERFECT MAN is made alive in you.... God calls it BORN OF GOD! Amen!
 
Delija said:
Let we see.

Orthodox Church Fathers

Church Fathers - Eastern Church Fathers

The Writing of the Apostolic Fathers — Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America

Here u have good number of writings of Holy Fathers.Now enjoy and start with rising in faith.U will see they do not agree with u in a lot of things.
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Seriously? and you consider these to be our "Holy Fathers?" Do you believe in Jesus?

Matthew 23:9) And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
 
p_rehbein said:
Seriously? and you consider these to be our "Holy Fathers?" Do you believe in Jesus?

Matthew 23:9) And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
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Silly protestant questions and no capabilities of deeply understanding of Bible.
In this verse Father mean God.In life,there are many types of fathers.On of them is biological father and one of them is spiritual father.
 
Delija said:
Silly protestant questions and no capabilities of deeply understanding of Bible.
In this verse Father mean God.In life,there are many types of fathers.On of them is biological father and one of them is spiritual father.
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Ah, so you are Catholic.......ok, now we understand......and yes, the Scripture is speaking of God! For He is our Holy Father. No man is our Holy Father......but, then, you would consider that "silly" wouldn't you........ :)

1 Samuel
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1 .) And Hannah prayed, and said, My heart rejoiceth in the LORD, mine horn is exalted in the LORD: my mouth is enlarged over mine enemies; because I rejoice in thy salvation. 2 .) There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. 3 .) Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.

(trust in His Word......not the teachings of man)
 
I told u Cobus.I understand salvation as a proces which is long whole life.Read Lifes of the Saints.
 
Revelation 4:8) And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

getting the idea yet?
 
p_rehbein said:
Ah, so you are Catholic.......ok, now we understand......and yes, the Scripture is speaking of God! For He is our Holy Father. No man is our Holy Father......but, then, you would consider that "silly" wouldn't you........ :)

1 Samuel
2


1 .) And Hannah prayed, and said, My heart rejoiceth in the LORD, mine horn is exalted in the LORD: my mouth is enlarged over mine enemies; because I rejoice in thy salvation. 2 .) There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. 3 .) Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.

(trust in His Word......not the teachings of man)
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I am Orthodox Catholic or the Eastern Orthodox.
 
Mark 10:18) And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.


is it becoming more clear?
 
[h=2]hal·lowed[/h] adjective \ˈha-(ˌ)lōd, ˈha-ləd, in the Lord's Prayer often ˈha-lə-wəd\ : holy or blessed
: highly respected

Synonymsvenerable, revered, reverend, sacred, venerated
Related Wordshonorable, reputable, respectable; considered, esteemed, honored, respected, reverenced; admirable, distinguished, estimable, redoubtable, worthy; good, moral, noble, righteous


Matthew 6:6) But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7 .) But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 .) Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. 9 .) After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

is it coming into focus now?
 
U giving me bunch of verses which u cannot understand.Don't do that in vain.U reformed your faith until it became unuseful.
 
Delija said:
U giving me bunch of verses which u cannot understand.Don't do that in vain.U reformed your faith until it became unuseful.
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u sem sure it me who don't understand......do u understand? me tink not so much....... :)

I know who the Author and Finisher of MY Faith is, and it isn't any man.........how about u?
 
p_rehbein said:
u sem sure it me who don't understand......do u understand? me tink not so much....... :)

I know who the Author and Finisher of MY Faith is, and it isn't any man.........how about u?
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Bible which u read today was written by Orthodox Christians.
I do not understand Bible,but am learning from those who does,perfectly.
 
Delija said:
Bible which u read today was written by Orthodox Christians.
I do not understand Bible,but am learning from those who does,perfectly.
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and therein lies your problem in my opinion........rather than trusting in the Holy Spirit to reveal understanding of His Word to you, you are placing your faith in the knowledge of man.......

No man has "Perfect Understanding," Only God.........and through the Holy Spirit, He will impart understanding to those who seek it by sincere prayer and the reading of His Word.

Anyway, I understand far better now some of the reasons for some of your comments.........God bless, and have great day.
 
p_rehbein said:
and therein lies your problem in my opinion........rather than trusting in the Holy Spirit to reveal understanding of His Word to you, you are placing your faith in the knowledge of man.......

No man has "Perfect Understanding," Only God.........and through the Holy Spirit, He will impart understanding to those who seek it by sincere prayer and the reading of His Word.

Anyway, I understand far better now some of the reasons for some of your comments.........God bless, and have great day.
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Delija, I cannot read books on people outside the Bible.... You see we trust our Bibles to be the HOLY SPIRIT INFLUENCED WORD OF GOD... If any person try to teach us different, we will put that person to the TEST... Like we did you... And because you are not HOLY, you fall short of the glory of God, and we now have to know, YOU CANNOT SPEAK GOD'S WORD...

So everything you say on a CHRISTIAN SITE, God wants his disciples, saints and PERFECT MEN, to put your doctrine to the test against the Doctrine the BIBLE teach... And my friend your doctrine falls way short...

You see you believe to much what other people say AGAINST SCRIPTURE... so Rather put your faith and doctrine to God's Word, you adopt what other people say... That is just FATAL... I will believe EVERY Word another says, if he speaks in PERFECT harmony with the Word of God... If ONE of his doctrine teachings is taking the OFF the Word of God,,, I will reject it as if ALL he said is false, and ONLY KEEP THE TRUTH IN THE WORD...

I have tested the Word of God now for 15 years, and the Word has not failed ONCE,... NOT ONCE... Jesus is the God and the ONLY TRUTH OF GOD...

NO group has SOLE POSSESION OF GOD'S Thuth, God gives it to whomever WANTS TO KNOW THE TRUTH,.... He gives it in FULL, and if a person does not believe it, THE TRUTH WILL NOT STICK... OBVIOUSLY YOU DO NOT BELIEVE.... BE PERFECT, so why should it stick for you TO KNOW IT...

God gave it, you rejected it... BYE BYE TRUTH!
 
All i can see here from u two is that u speaking of your infallibily,but even you two do not agree in a bunch of questions.
There is one man who called himself infallible,that is Pope of Rome,before 1000years,and all this mess started.Now we have every protestant who is infallible.What a joy!
Other side there is only one interpretation of Bible in Orthodoxy and all Holy Fathers have it,they were very fallible as men,but unfalible in the communion with the Holy Spirit,which they deserted it by their great efforts and lifes leaded by the Gospel!
 
Oh we agree, we agree 100% ... Fatrher God is the Father in heaven that begot a Son Jesus Christ for me as sinner, that if I BELIEVE IN HIM I shall not persish.... How we get there will be REVEALED through our ... Keep the peace in a BOND OF LOVE, and God will FITLY JOIN US TOGETHER, IN THE PERFECT BODY OF CHRIST...

Now ASK P_rehbein if he agrees 100% or not... Do you know why He agrees? Because that is what the Bible we read teach...
 
Delija when last did you read Eph 4:11 to 13... check out GOD DOES NOT LEAVE A SAINT IN SAINTSHIP... HE MAKES HIM UNTO A PERFECT MAN...

So your SAINTS were INCOMPLETE!!! That is why they failed... Your HOLY FATHERS NEVER reached the FULNESS IN CHRIST... that is why they FAIL!

Read this and take your time.... And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Let me tell you now, if this was NOT in the Bible,,,, I would have told God to take a HIKE... But now? I ask LORD ....ME TOO PLEASE... THEN I WILL LOVE AS YOU LOVE..... AMEN!
 
As i have told u.Acts of pride,no understanding of Bible,reformations....No Holy Spirit in it.
 
Delija said:
As i have told u.Acts of pride,no understanding of Bible,reformations....No Holy Spirit in it.
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That my friend is your opinion, I am glad you are not my judge.... I wonder what God says about me? I wonder what I hear from Him is TRUE....
God said.... I shall know the TRUTH,.... HIS WORD IS TRUTH,,... and the TRUTH SHALL MAKE ME FREE.... I feel pretty free from your chains... You seem very constricted... I will give you the best advice I EVER had. And since I did that, i was starting to know what FREE IS....
Start in Genesis 1:1, and ask God HIMSELF to REVEAL Scripture to you... You will be stunned with the knowledge and wisdom and Godly Truth in that Bible... Use a KJV, it is enough to know the TRUTH..... God's Word did not fail me yet... And all people did save a few...
 
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