Just wondering if there are any Jehovahs Witnesses here?

[Ugly]

haha GUMBIE, we are going to have to fix your spelling of aussie slang mate

so do aborted babies go to hell?
again making sure that i dont come across think, im just trying to understand.

You are asking questions and seeking to understand (and doing it in a respectful manner which isn't quite how you came across earlier, even if you weren't trying to come across that way). So anyone who would read this thread and insult you for asking is the real fool.

 

[Bryancampbell]

i had a friend say that we are judged by the light we receive, moments before telling me that im going to burn in hell. Im still great friends with this girl actually lol. But then whats the point in teaching about God because if no one knows then no one is accountable ?

Wow lol. Everyone is accountable, even if they don't know. There really is no excuse for those who have access to bibles, churches, and other Christians. But in places that can't, God reminds us that He gave all mankind the law of the heart, best known as a conscience, that they that don't know will be judged by their heart. It will either justify them in the end or condemn them in the end. But that's why we are trying to send missionaries also so they can hear God's word. This is the great commission!

 

[Kia123]

You are asking questions and seeking to understand (and doing it in a respectful manner which isn't quite how you came across earlier, even if you weren't trying to come across that way). So anyone who would read this thread and insult you for asking is the real fool.

Thank you i know i struggle with my wording, i can sound rather harsh and rude so i try my best not to!

 

[Kia123]

Wow lol. Everyone is accountable, even if they don't know. There really is no excuse for those who have access to bibles, churches, and other Christians. But in places that can't, God reminds us that He gave all mankind the law of the heart, best known as a conscience, that they that don't know will be judged by their heart. It will either justify them in the end or condemn them in the end. But that's why we are trying to send missionaries also so they can hear God's word. This is the great commission!

Ok i think im embarrassing myself with how stupid i must be sounding None of my friends are JW so they all have their litlle sessions of trying to convert me. which i think is funny because there are things i dont agree with JWs about either so atm im just lost in the middle

 

[Bryancampbell]

Ok i think im embarrassing myself with how stupid i must be sounding None of my friends are JW so they all have their litlle sessions of trying to convert me. which i think is funny because there are things i dont agree with JWs about either so atm im just lost in the middle

I think the only way you can really embarrass yourself bad, is if you are defending such a belief with no desire to learn. Mate, you deserve a chance to ask, it's a very humble thing!

 

[Ugly]

Thank you i know i struggle with my wording, i can sound rather harsh and rude so i try my best not to!

Yeah, i get told that a lot myself haha. Its good you told me, though, so now if i see it rather than get annoyed i can keep it in mind, and maybe even let you know. In a non-harsh, non-rude way.... probably... maybe... possibly...there's chance... kind of...

 

[Kia123]

Im trying to understand why people believe what they believe. To see what i believe

 

[Ugly]

Im trying to understand why people believe what they believe. To see what i believe

I respect that. I've done the similar thing at a point in my life.

 

[Kia123]

Yeah, i get told that a lot myself haha. Its good you told me, though, so now if i see it rather than get annoyed i can keep it in mind, and maybe even let you know. In a non-harsh, non-rude way.... probably... maybe... possibly...there's chance... kind of...

PLS do tell me if i ever come across as rude or mean, most often its not my intention. haha on here its never my intention

 

[Ugly]

Ok i think im embarrassing myself with how stupid i must be sounding None of my friends are JW so they all have their litlle sessions of trying to convert me. which i think is funny because there are things i dont agree with JWs about either so atm im just lost in the middle

I don't think you sound at all stupid. I think you sound pretty intelligent for asking questions and seeking to find what you truly believe. The stupid people are the ones that just hear things spouted out from random places an accept it without thinking.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Um im gonna sound like a gumbie ( aussie term for like silly) but what are those core things.
i know the no hell belief.
and the no trinity.

Jehovah Witnesses believe Jesus is not God, that he is just a man like you and I which is probably the single most important issue. As a result of denying Jesus, they cannot claim an atonement.

1 John 2:23
No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

[video=youtube;w0nWbUDEzwQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0nWbUDEzwQ[/video]

 

[jimmydiggs]

The Jehovahs witnesses i know do believe that Jesus has powers, its just that he is not almighty.
i myself have trouble believing in hell, i dont understand how a loving God could do that?

Do you know what justice is?

its just a question btw
i have been raised mostly as a Jehovahs Witness btw just so its all open and clear ( gets blocked and banned) haha but im not a baptised or anything (i might get hate mail for that)

As long as you're not pushing JW doctrine, people won't bother.

Haha if gumbie is what i shall be known us my heart shall rejoice

I know you as Kia123.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Ok just to be clear here, i will use bible gateway cos the only scriptures i know are the ones from the jw bible

Sometimes the JW bible doesn't get everything scrubbed clean.

Ezek 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. doesnt mention anythin about firery torment.

The firery torment actually mostly comes from the words of Jesus himself.

and then there is a scripture somewhere in Ecclesiastes mentioning the dead are conscious on nothing

From the point of view of those who are on earth, that is correct. If I stand over my grandmothers grave, she doesn't speak, she doesn't know anything, her body is lifeless. This does not mean her soul ceases to exist.

 

[jimmydiggs]

so do aborted babies go to hell?
again making sure that i dont come across think, im just trying to understand.

There isn't anything in the bible that really speaks of all babies. It's not something we can really know if we're honest with ourselves.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Actually babies are born pure, and children who die have a place in heaven. Once a person understands God and everything. Then they are accountable. Children don't, they are too young to understand.

Everyone is born wicked, and the age of accountability doctrine is not to be found anywhere in scripture.

 

[jimmydiggs]

i had a friend say that we are judged by the light we receive, moments before telling me that im going to burn in hell. Im still great friends with this girl actually lol. But then whats the point in teaching about God because if no one knows then no one is accountable ?

Everyone is accountable, because they do know God exists.

Romans 1
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, [SUP]19 [/SUP]since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools[SUP]23 [/SUP]and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. [SUP]25 [/SUP]They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. [SUP]27 [/SUP]In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. [SUP]29 [/SUP]They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, [SUP]30 [/SUP]slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; [SUP]31 [/SUP]they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

 

[Kia123]

Jehovah Witnesses believe Jesus is not God, that he is just a man like you and I which is probably the single most important issue. As a result of denying Jesus, they cannot claim an atonement.

1 John 2:23
No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

[video=youtube;w0nWbUDEzwQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0nWbUDEzwQ[/video]

I was taught that Jesus is not just another human, but because he is the son of god he is mighty. Just not as mighty as Jehovah. Like how a prince has power, but the King still has more power then the prince.

So hell is justice?
How is being burnt in eternal fire a fair and just consequence for the life we live. God is a merciful God
I am not sure if you are a parent or if you view yourself as a leader to a young child, but i once had it explained if that child was disobedient how long would you like to sit and watch them burn as punishment.

 

[Kia123]

There isn't anything in the bible that really speaks of all babies. It's not something we can really know if we're honest with ourselves.

My God would not burn babies that have never even taken a breath of air. How is that love. God is love

again im only looking to understand, im not trying to push my beliefs

 

[jimmydiggs]

My God would not burn babies that have never even taken a breath of air.

Are they innocent? According to the bible no. I cannot say whether they end up or down, but I can say they are left to the judgement of a holy and just, merciful and might God. Who better to make that decision?

How is that love. God is love

God is the standard of love.

God does not fulfill a checklist of what love is, but rather he is the very thing itself. God ist the standard for love.

again im only looking to understand, im not trying to push my beliefs

If you were mean and nasty, It would only be what I'm used to.

 

[Graybeard]

Actually babies are born pure, and children who die have a place in heaven. Once a person understands God and everything. Then they are accountable. Children don't, they are too young to understand.

I wouldn't say babies are born pure as we are all born into sin, just that they are not yet accountable.