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[h=3]Samuel 15[/h]King James Version (KJV)
15 Samuel also said unto Saul, The Lord sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the Lord.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
15 Samuel also said unto Saul, The Lord sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the Lord.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
J
According to the NWT, Jesus is Jehovah.
12 But you remain forever,
O Jehovah, And your fame will endure
for all generations.
13 Surely you will rise up and
show mercy on Zion,
For it is time to show her your favor;
The appointed time has come.
14 For your servants find
pleasure in her stones
And have affection even for her dust.
15 The nations will fear the
name of Jehovah,
And all the kings of the earth your glory.
16 For Jehovah will rebuild
Zion; He will appear in his glory.
17 He will pay attention to the
prayer of the destitute;
He will not despise their prayer.
18 This is written for the future
generation, So that a people yet to be
brought forth will praise Jah.
19 For he looks down from his
holy height, From the heavens Jehovah
views the earth,
20 To hear the sighing of the prisoner,
To release those sentenced to death,
21 So that the name of Jehovah
will be declared in Zion
And his praise in Jerusalem,
22 When the peoples and
kingdoms Gather together to serve
Jehovah.
23 He prematurely robbed me
of my strength; He cut short my days.
24 I said: “O my God,
Do not do away with me
in the middle of my life,
You whose years span all
generations.
25 Long ago you laid the foundations
of the earth, And the heavens are the
work of your hands.
26 They will perish, but you will
remain;
Just like a garment they will all wear out.
Just like clothing you will
replace them, and they will
pass away.
27 But you are the same, and
your years will never end.
28 The children of your servants
will dwell securely,
And their offspring will be
firmly established before
you.”
Bold = Verses that demonstrate Psalm 102 is about Jehovah.
7 Also, he says about the angels:
“He makes his angels spirits,
and his ministersn a flame of
fire.”
8 But about the Son, he
says: “God is your throne forever
and ever, and the scepter of
your Kingdom is the scepter of
uprightness.
9 You loved righteousness,
and you hated lawlessness.
That is why God, your
God, anointed you with the oil
of exultation more than your
companions.”
10 And: “At the beginning,
O Lord, you laid the
foundations of the earth, and
the heavens are the works of
your hands.
11 They will perish,
but you will remain; and just
like a garment, they will all wear
out,
12 and you will wrap them
up just as a cloak, as a garment,
and they will be changed. But
you are the same, and your years
will never come to an end.”
13 But about which of the angels
has he ever said: “Sit at my
right hand until I place your enemies
as a stool for your feet”?
14 Are they not all spirits for
holy service, sent out to minister
for those who are going to inherit
salvation?
Bold demonstrates it's about Jesus.
The colored portions are the exact quotes.
You can check it here:
Hebrews 1 | Online Bible | New World Translation
If you click the little plus sign it will tell you those are the verses being quoted as well.
The reason this demonstrates Jesus as Jehovah, is because the passage quoted in reference to Jesus is about Jehovah and Jehovah only.
For those who remain unsaved, yes.
Hell was intended for the demons and the devil.
Matthew 25:41 (ESV)
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire
prepared for the devil and his angels.
However, if you want to be a companion of the demons and the devil you can have the same punishment.
I don't know if you have any siblings, but I do. When I got in trouble alone, my brothers did not receive the same punishment as me. If we got in trouble together, we received the punishment together.
Yes he is.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
We deserve the same punishment as the demons and the devil for rebelling against God. When Satan thought himself worth to sit on God's throne, he sinned. We commit that same sin, when we think we can sit on God's throne by deciding what is right and what is wrong.
If you are part of their rebellion, you are part of their punishment. God provided an atonement for his people though. Jehovah became flesh, Jesus, and died on a Cross so that we could have our sins paid for. Remember? For the wages of sin is death. Jesus died in our place.
I'm not a parent, but justice is justice.
God hates sin.
Isaiah 59:2 (NASB95)
2 But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God,
And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear.`
He will address the sin as well. Remember? Rebellion. If you rebel against your parents, you are disciplined, and eventually punished if the rebellion is to severe.
12 But you remain forever,
O Jehovah, And your fame will endure
for all generations.
13 Surely you will rise up and
show mercy on Zion,
For it is time to show her your favor;
The appointed time has come.
14 For your servants find
pleasure in her stones
And have affection even for her dust.
15 The nations will fear the
name of Jehovah,
And all the kings of the earth your glory.
16 For Jehovah will rebuild
Zion; He will appear in his glory.
17 He will pay attention to the
prayer of the destitute;
He will not despise their prayer.
18 This is written for the future
generation, So that a people yet to be
brought forth will praise Jah.
19 For he looks down from his
holy height, From the heavens Jehovah
views the earth,
20 To hear the sighing of the prisoner,
To release those sentenced to death,
21 So that the name of Jehovah
will be declared in Zion
And his praise in Jerusalem,
22 When the peoples and
kingdoms Gather together to serve
Jehovah.
23 He prematurely robbed me
of my strength; He cut short my days.
24 I said: “O my God,
Do not do away with me
in the middle of my life,
You whose years span all
generations.
25 Long ago you laid the foundations
of the earth, And the heavens are the
work of your hands.
26 They will perish, but you will
remain;
Just like a garment they will all wear out.
Just like clothing you will
replace them, and they will
pass away.
27 But you are the same, and
your years will never end.
28 The children of your servants
will dwell securely,
And their offspring will be
firmly established before
you.”
Bold = Verses that demonstrate Psalm 102 is about Jehovah.
7 Also, he says about the angels:
“He makes his angels spirits,
and his ministersn a flame of
fire.”
8 But about the Son, he
says: “God is your throne forever
and ever, and the scepter of
your Kingdom is the scepter of
uprightness.
9 You loved righteousness,
and you hated lawlessness.
That is why God, your
God, anointed you with the oil
of exultation more than your
companions.”
10 And: “At the beginning,
O Lord, you laid the
foundations of the earth, and
the heavens are the works of
your hands.
11 They will perish,
but you will remain; and just
like a garment, they will all wear
out,
12 and you will wrap them
up just as a cloak, as a garment,
and they will be changed. But
you are the same, and your years
will never come to an end.”
13 But about which of the angels
has he ever said: “Sit at my
right hand until I place your enemies
as a stool for your feet”?
14 Are they not all spirits for
holy service, sent out to minister
for those who are going to inherit
salvation?
Bold demonstrates it's about Jesus.
The colored portions are the exact quotes.
You can check it here:
Hebrews 1 | Online Bible | New World Translation
If you click the little plus sign it will tell you those are the verses being quoted as well.
The reason this demonstrates Jesus as Jehovah, is because the passage quoted in reference to Jesus is about Jehovah and Jehovah only.
For those who remain unsaved, yes.
Hell was intended for the demons and the devil.
Matthew 25:41 (ESV)
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire
prepared for the devil and his angels.
However, if you want to be a companion of the demons and the devil you can have the same punishment.
I don't know if you have any siblings, but I do. When I got in trouble alone, my brothers did not receive the same punishment as me. If we got in trouble together, we received the punishment together.
Yes he is.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
We deserve the same punishment as the demons and the devil for rebelling against God. When Satan thought himself worth to sit on God's throne, he sinned. We commit that same sin, when we think we can sit on God's throne by deciding what is right and what is wrong.
If you are part of their rebellion, you are part of their punishment. God provided an atonement for his people though. Jehovah became flesh, Jesus, and died on a Cross so that we could have our sins paid for. Remember? For the wages of sin is death. Jesus died in our place.
I'm not a parent, but justice is justice.
God hates sin.
Isaiah 59:2 (NASB95)
2 But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God,
And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear.`
He will address the sin as well. Remember? Rebellion. If you rebel against your parents, you are disciplined, and eventually punished if the rebellion is to severe.
W
hi Kia 
About hell:
the problem for us humans is that we rank everything: "Jack is better than zeke" , "it is worse to do a than b".
God however, is holy, and He cannot abide in any sin / wrongdoing.
As for innocense:
The bible says somewhere that he who knows he did wrong will be punished with many blows and the ones who do not know wil be punished with few.
As has been said, why would Jesus be sent to be mocked, tortured and killed if there was nothing to save us from?
(Also, concider this (whether you wish yo give an asnwer or nonot ) How could he forgive sins if He is not God?)
About hell:
the problem for us humans is that we rank everything: "Jack is better than zeke" , "it is worse to do a than b".
God however, is holy, and He cannot abide in any sin / wrongdoing.
As for innocense:
The bible says somewhere that he who knows he did wrong will be punished with many blows and the ones who do not know wil be punished with few.
As has been said, why would Jesus be sent to be mocked, tortured and killed if there was nothing to save us from?
(Also, concider this (whether you wish yo give an asnwer or nonot
) How could he forgive sins if He is not God?)
J
You're being very kind and cordial. I appreciate your questions, and my privilege of answering.
No.
The bible says salvation is only by Grace (god's doing) not ours. Nothing we can do will save us.
Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, [SUP]9 [/SUP]not a result of works, so that no one may boast. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Galatians 2:16
16 nevertheless knowing that aa man is not justified by the works of 1the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by bfaith in Christ and not by the works of 1the Law; since cby the works of 1the Law no 2flesh will be justified.
Justification is by faith (see above). Justification is when we receive the righteousness of Christ, and God declares his his sons.
2 Cor. 5:21
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God
Romans 3:20 (NASB95)
20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law
comes the knowledge of sin.
I appreciate your questions, and my privilege of answering.No.
The bible says salvation is only by Grace (god's doing) not ours. Nothing we can do will save us.
Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, [SUP]9 [/SUP]not a result of works, so that no one may boast. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Galatians 2:16
16 nevertheless knowing that aa man is not justified by the works of 1the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by bfaith in Christ and not by the works of 1the Law; since cby the works of 1the Law no 2flesh will be justified.
Justification is by faith (see above). Justification is when we receive the righteousness of Christ, and God declares his his sons.
2 Cor. 5:21
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God
Romans 3:20 (NASB95)
20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law
comes the knowledge of sin.
J
A good article about hell.
Hell: Eternal Sovereign Justice Exacted upon Evildoers (Chapter 29 of If God Is Good) - Resources - Eternal Perspective Ministries
I don't know about the rest of the website, bu the article is pretty good.
Hell: Eternal Sovereign Justice Exacted upon Evildoers (Chapter 29 of If God Is Good) - Resources - Eternal Perspective Ministries
I don't know about the rest of the website, bu the article is pretty good.
Hi Kia123,
You're right. God is love and just so rest assured that babies will go to heaven. In fact, though they are marred with sin because of the fall of man, scripture shows that they have no knowledge of good and evil thus are not held accountable for their sin.
Look at Deuteronomy 1:39 "Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in [into Canaan] thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it".
Further proof of their heavenly inheritance is found in Matthew 19:14 "But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven".
You're right. God is love and just so rest assured that babies will go to heaven. In fact, though they are marred with sin because of the fall of man, scripture shows that they have no knowledge of good and evil thus are not held accountable for their sin.
Look at Deuteronomy 1:39 "Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in [into Canaan] thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it".
Further proof of their heavenly inheritance is found in Matthew 19:14 "But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven".
J
OK i worry that im mean
the bible aslo states that faith without works is dead. I know that there is nothing we can do but we can not do anytthin.
the bible aslo states that faith without works is dead. I know that there is nothing we can do but we can not do anytthin.
In the Epistle of James, James tell's us that our faith is authenticated by our work. If God saves you, you will be a different person. Not everything will change the first day, but you will over time become more like Jesus. So before you are saved, maybe you are mean to people. After Jesus saves you, you will start to be nicer to people. Maybe not everyone on the first day. Maybe there will be people you really don't like, but you will be nicer through time.
If I told you today I was hit by a train, and didn't get as scratch you would be skeptical. Some people, especially on this forum say you can have an encounter with God and not be different. The truth is, as with the train, when you meet God he will change you.
K
Ok so im still not exactly comprehending how hell is a just punishment.
God knew what we were going to do befor we were born??? there is a scripture somewhere that says that i think
if thats correct then God knows that certain people would be burnning in hell. So what kind of sick person creates thing for the purpose of turture?? not a loving God.
But if hell is real why is it eternal ? our lives weren't eternal??
i understasnd the do the crime do the time thing but what length of time is just.
do you believe adam and eve are in hell ?
God knew what we were going to do befor we were born??? there is a scripture somewhere that says that i think
if thats correct then God knows that certain people would be burnning in hell. So what kind of sick person creates thing for the purpose of turture?? not a loving God.
But if hell is real why is it eternal ? our lives weren't eternal??
i understasnd the do the crime do the time thing
but what length of time is just. do you believe adam and eve are in hell ?
Babies are neither of a state of accountability nor are they able to understand the consequence of their deeds and believe the gospel of salvation. James 4:17 says, "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin". Can a baby know to do good and refuse evil? But if you'd rather embrace preposterous doctrines of men (e.g. damnation of "non-elect" babies) than God’s word, suit yourself.
J
I have not said whether they will or will not, I have only said nothing in scripture says yay or nay.
Be careful about Piaget's garbage.
This is the kind of western worldliness that leads to condeming God.
1 Samuel 15:3
New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[SUP][a][/SUP] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
The only doctrines of man presented here, is the injecting into scripture things it does not say. It does not tell us all or none will be in heaven. It simply doesn't comment on the matter. It is very comfortable to us to say that all will. That is why it is embraced so quickly. People are ashamed of the word of God, and will not take God for who he is. That is also why they must say that it is humans who save themselves, not God. It's all part of the same ball of idolatry and shamefacedness.
I refuse to esteem myself so high as to say that I myself can determine their end, when that is something only God can do.
To accuse me of saying something I've not said, is bearing false witness.
Be careful about Piaget's garbage.
This is the kind of western worldliness that leads to condeming God.
1 Samuel 15:3
New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[SUP][a][/SUP] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
The only doctrines of man presented here, is the injecting into scripture things it does not say. It does not tell us all or none will be in heaven. It simply doesn't comment on the matter. It is very comfortable to us to say that all will. That is why it is embraced so quickly. People are ashamed of the word of God, and will not take God for who he is. That is also why they must say that it is humans who save themselves, not God. It's all part of the same ball of idolatry and shamefacedness.
I refuse to esteem myself so high as to say that I myself can determine their end, when that is something only God can do.
To accuse me of saying something I've not said, is bearing false witness.
Ok so im still not exactly comprehending how hell is a just punishment.
God knew what we were going to do befor we were born??? there is a scripture somewhere that says that i think
if thats correct then God knows that certain people would be burnning in hell. So what kind of sick person creates thing for the purpose of turture?? not a loving God.
But if hell is real why is it eternal ? our lives weren't eternal??
i understasnd the do the crime do the time thing but what length of time is just.
do you believe adam and eve are in hell ?
God knew what we were going to do befor we were born??? there is a scripture somewhere that says that i think
if thats correct then God knows that certain people would be burnning in hell. So what kind of sick person creates thing for the purpose of turture?? not a loving God.
But if hell is real why is it eternal ? our lives weren't eternal??
i understasnd the do the crime do the time thing
but what length of time is just. do you believe adam and eve are in hell ?
2. Hell wasn`t created for the purpose of torturing man as well as man wasn`t created for the purpose to be judged and ultimately sentenced to heaven or hell. Hell exists due to the rebellion of the angels. Lucifer has been cast away from Paradise and hell is defined as a place where God is absent, the place of evil.
3. We weren`t eternal, only God is eternal; but we were created immortal. When God forbade Adam and Eve from eating the fruit, he warned them that in the moment they eat, they will die, which means, they will become mortal. Your body dies, but not your soul; but you will resurrect in your body, in a transfigurated body, depending on your life, if you were saint or sinner.
4. A day for God is like a thousand days and a thousand days are like a day. It is hard for us to comprehend life outside of the time and space coordonates that we have.
5. No, Adam is not in Hell. He was, but Jesus Christ defeated death with his death and went down in Hell to rescue the humanity that lived before His incarnation.
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K
1. God knows everything, he is omniscient, but his omniscience doesn`t predestine or predetermine.
Ok thats simple i understand that
2. Hell wasn`t created for the purpose of torturing man as well as man wasn`t created for the purpose to be judged and ultimately condemned to heaven or hell. Hell exists due to the rebellion of the angels. Lucifer has been cast away from Paradise and hell is defined as a place where God is absent, the place of evil.
But humans are not demons, we are lost children of God, we are made in Gods image right?? I could not put someone i absolutely hate in a fiery pit for eternity, i understand maybe a couple hours cos there are some horrible people but eternity thats not justice !
3. We weren`t eternal, only God is eternal; but we were created immortal. When God forbade Adam and Eve from eating the fruit, he warned them that in the moment they eat, they will die, which means, they will become mortal. Your body dies, but not your soul; but you will resurrect in your body, in a transfigurated body, depending on your life, if you were saint or sinner.
God made us human why would we not stay human?
4. A day for God is like a thousand days and a thousand days are like a day. It is hard for us to comprehend life outside of the time and space coordonates that we have.
Hhaha terribly hard sometimes i get lost in my own thoughts
5. No, Adam is not in Hell. He was, but Jesus Christ defeated death with his death and went down in Hell to rescue the humanity that lived before His incarnation.
Ok thats simple i understand that
2. Hell wasn`t created for the purpose of torturing man as well as man wasn`t created for the purpose to be judged and ultimately condemned to heaven or hell. Hell exists due to the rebellion of the angels. Lucifer has been cast away from Paradise and hell is defined as a place where God is absent, the place of evil.
But humans are not demons, we are lost children of God, we are made in Gods image right?? I could not put someone i absolutely hate in a fiery pit for eternity, i understand maybe a couple hours
cos there are some horrible people but eternity thats not justice ! 3. We weren`t eternal, only God is eternal; but we were created immortal. When God forbade Adam and Eve from eating the fruit, he warned them that in the moment they eat, they will die, which means, they will become mortal. Your body dies, but not your soul; but you will resurrect in your body, in a transfigurated body, depending on your life, if you were saint or sinner.
God made us human why would we not stay human?
4. A day for God is like a thousand days and a thousand days are like a day. It is hard for us to comprehend life outside of the time and space coordonates that we have.
Hhaha terribly hard
sometimes i get lost in my own thoughts 5. No, Adam is not in Hell. He was, but Jesus Christ defeated death with his death and went down in Hell to rescue the humanity that lived before His incarnation.