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Married_Richenbrachen

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So lets clarify. All you women believe no one should have authority in marriage? You are not going to tell your husband what to do? Just a quick poll, how many ofyou have never told your husband what to do?
This is primarily a feminist thread. The aim of feminism is to destroy relationships between men and women. What feminists do and how they treat men is not what normal women do, or how normal women treat men.

As you rightly point out, it doesn't make sense for a marriage not to have an authority. But feminists aren't taught things should make sense - they propagate a self-worshiping ideology.
 
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I have already explained the difference between DELIBERATE sin and deception. Adam was there, the bible says he was, "she gave some to Adam who was with her"

This whole thread has turned into what it always does. And this attitude is EXACTLY why God warned Eve that men will rule over them as the sin distorts the first command of having dominion over the plants and the animals. Men will look for EVERY way possible and EVERY scripture possible to back up that sinful attitude of control. It is a mindset, a stronghold, built by years of MEN teaching MEN and women being told to be quiet.

in 30 years of walking with the Lord I have seen this attitude in all shapes and forms.Sometimes its very obvious, other times very subtle. I remember years ago I was invited to visit a new discipleship course center in Spain. One evening, sharing a meal with the students in a beautiful garden overlooking the Mediterranean Sea a lady opposite her friend had a very small crumb like size piece of food hit her from her friend as they were joking around. The lady, the only one married at the course, picked it up and threw it back at her friend, both in good spirits and laughing. All the other students were in high spirits laughing a joking around the table as we ate...except her husband that was sitting next to her. He rebuked her with a look of disdain in his face and she came to "heel" like a trained dog. All joy washed from her face and I could see she suddenly felt excluded from the fun going on around her.

I watched as they subtle chains of bondage wrapped around her spirit, stopping her being the fun person Im sure that guy fell in love with. Imagine years of that for a woman? Each chain chipping away at her very personality until in years to come she wont recognize herself in "submission" to her husband and the feeling of only being free to be herself when she is not with him will start eating away at her.

Being a SPIRITUAL head is about protecting a woman so she can open her heart and be free! He is there to protect her from the fiery darts of the enemy when harsh words are spoken to her, bring freedom and release when OTHERS try and put her in bondage...NOT be the slave master himself!

I thank God that I have NEVER been in a relationship where a guy has used the bible to control me and that God has given me 30 years of AMAZING examples of GODLY men who walk in this understanding of freedom.

This thread, as you can see is to "my Dear Sisters in Christ"...it is not speaking to guys, but true to form guys will make it their business because they still do not understand what God said to Adam in the garden. You will also notice I actually INVITED men to comment OR ATTACK...why?...because I see their attitude. I did not go into this thread blindly. I was fully aware that men would come on this thread and do EXACTLY what they have done for centuries, USE scripture to feed a controlling attitude towards women.There was no need for me to give examples of this attitude, I knew the examples would be eager to share all by themselves.
Eve also committed willful known sin. She even told Satan she was not supposed to eat the fruit. She knew but allowed herself to be decieved. It was not ignorance.
 

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I will make one last statement that the submission/subjugation-obsessed men will probably ignore. Almost all of this is based on Ephesians 5:21

1. As believers, we are all to submit to the Lord and yield our desires for the good of our brothers and sisters.
2. Husbands are to submit to the Lord and give their lives for the good of their wives. This is how they demonstrate their gift of love to their wives; it cannot be demanded by their wives.
3. Wives are to submit to the Lord and yield their will to their husbands. This is a gift to demonstrate their love to their husbands; it cannot be demanded by their husbands.
4. Each spouse as they yield to the Lord will as a result of their true faith treat their spouse with love and respect. It is the Lord's job to keep the other spouse "in their place." Loving spouses do not police each other.
5. Neither spouse gets to be a dictator. They are to both seek the Lord and follow his will in everything they do.
6. If a man is following the Lord and behaving gently to his wife, and the wife is following the Lord and being respectful to her husband, the leadership of the man almost as a consequence falls into place.
7. The two genders are created to work together for the glory of the Lord and to further his kingdom.

I Peter 3:7—In a similar way, you husbands must live [also includes sexual relations] with your wives in an understanding manner [moral wisdom], as with a most delicate partner [physically less strong]. Honor them as heirs with you [equal partner] of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing may interfere with your prayers. [Literal word translations provided in brackets.]
 
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I know they may in Kenisyes churches, but so what, they also preach in Satan's churches... In God's churches there are enough men to do ALL the Offices of the church.. Ken you are not in Truth, and NO GOOD fruit can come from FALSE DOCTRINE...
God uses PERFECT MEN in HIS CHURCH.
As a servant of Satan, exposed by a perfect man (you), I stand corrected. Never again will you hear anything from me.

PS: I am reporting this post, because I am heartsick having to repeatedly defend CC against people who speak with this venomous hatred coming out of the mouth of perfect men like you, which I had to do only two hours ago today again.
 

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I don't know any Christian husbands who use the Word of God unlawfully and are unloving tyrants.
I'm sorry that such may exist, but I don't believe that makes the command to submit to my husband less valid.

hope that's not off piste?
It sounds like you have a beautiful and respectful marriage, and I am so happy that you are so blessed.

But you never met my ex-husband. The manipulation started off really subtle then increased until I no longer recognized truth when I saw it. That man used scripture to abuse me mentally until I no longer knew who I was, emotionally until I was suicidal, and sexually until I no longer know how to connect my emotions and my sexuality. Sex was a weapon in my marriage. I was forced into sexual acts I did not want to do. I was raped occasionally, too—even sodomized only 6 days after giving birth. It has taken many years of healing and counseling and truth-seeking to finally become a whole person again, though I will ALWAYS bear the scars of what was done to me. By the way, he was a beloved Baptist preacher.

As for knowing about other marriages, those of us who are abused are too ashamed to tell people what is happening. Usually we don't even recognize it for what it is because the first step of abuse is to mentally trap someone. It's like being in an invisible cage—you can't see any way out. We are made to believe that what the abuser is doing is right and that we deserve what is happening. We hide our wounds very well and even defend our tyrant until our eyes are finally open. The truth just seems too scary so we cling to the lies that we are told.

Trust me, this language of submission which is fine for a decent man becomes a weapon for an abuser. And they both look alike in the church pews.
 

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I'm not minimizing childbirth. But my mom's in the medical field (works in an ER) and she once said many doctors agree that a man passing a kidney stone is quite possibly worse than childbirth because that pathway wasn't created to expand...and there's no bundle of joy afterwards that makes it worthwhile to go through. Of course, I never want to find out so I drink lots of water.
[Insert applicable expletive here]

Some women have easy labor. Others like me get wounds the size of the Grand Canyon in trying to deliver the infant-equivalent of a Butterball turkey. There's only so far it can stretch.
 
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I realize that all threads are open for anyone to post but even so I clearly read in the original post that this was directed by Twofeet to women. So I stayed away. Unfortunately now the men have over run this thread and are posting twice as much as the ladies. I am appaulded by this. If the ladies wish to have their own discussion amoungst themselves, surely us men can afford them this simple request.

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I realize that all threads are open for anyone to post but even so I clearly read in the original post that this was directed by Twofeet to women. So I stayed away. Unfortunately now the men have over run this thread and are posting twice as much as the ladies. I am appaulded by this. If the ladies wish to have their own discussion amoungst themselves, surely us men can afford them this simple request.
Aww! Thank you for being so sweet and respectful. I just want to give you a hug!
 

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I realize that all threads are open for anyone to post but even so I clearly read in the original post that this was directed by Twofeet to women. So I stayed away. Unfortunately now the men have over run this thread and are posting twice as much as the ladies. I am appaulded by this. If the ladies wish to have their own discussion amoungst themselves, surely us men can afford them this simple request.

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Well that point is well taken...but...women have to actually post (some have but for the percentage of women members on this site, it appears most either don't agree or don't care too). The thread was ALSO open to male comments, Dan...and if it weren't for that allowance I honestly would've stayed out too.
 

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[Insert applicable expletive here]

Some women have easy labor. Others like me get wounds the size of the Grand Canyon in trying to deliver the infant-equivalent of a Butterball turkey. There's only so far it can stretch.
I complete understand...but "only so far" still connotes a measure of capability, whereas with our plumbing it isn't capable or supposed to, but in that situation it must. OUCH! lol
 
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This post is directed to women. To set women free to open their eyes up to something they may never have realised. But guys, feel free to comment (or attack) as you see fit.


Ladies, I know women have a tough time of it in life and in Church. I have seen men take scriptures like “wives submit to your husbands” and turn it into “I will MAKE my wife submit because it is biblical” not understanding at all that “submission” is something a person chooses to do in their own heart. And CONTROL of another person is not actually Gods way of doing things. It is NOT His nature at all.


So what has happened? Why do we see so often a woman being treated as though firstly a “help mate” was a wife made to help out Adam in picking fruit (like a slave that was beneath him) and secondly as a second rate citizen with not as much “rights” as a man? I could list so many areas where this attitude is seen, not just in Christian circles. I remember last year a woman on the news. She was in prison in an Islamic country for being raped. A woman requires 3 men to verify her story for a rape case. In China girls used to be left abandoned by parents at the side of roads as they were not a valued as a boy baby. Women are so often sexually assaulted all round the world in far more cases than guys and even in the Jewish culture women never had any legal rights. (but isn’t it interesting that when Job had his encounter with God and everything was restored to him he then gave his daughters an inheritance just like his sons breaking ALL traditions and attitudes. Amazing how an encounter with God brings equality!)


Genesis: God made Adam a “help mate”. Notice how the bible does not say “wife” or “servant”? “ezer kenegdo” is a difficult word to translate. It isn’t “wife” or “servant” .” Ezer” is only found 20 times in the Old Testament and every time it is used describing God himself when someone is desperate for help. “may the Lord answer you when you are in distress; may the name of the God of Jacob protect you. May He send you help (ezer). In every case this word is used in the Old Testament it is a life or death situation where help is desperately needed. Man and women are made in the image of God and posses different characteristics of His nature. This one is specifically for women, and women need to recognise how important their role as a “help mate” really is. Kenegdo means counterpart or alongside...not beneath....OPPOSITE.
God then said to BOTH Adam and Eve, as equals “ I give you DOMINION over the plants and the animals” but after the fall he said to Eve “from now on your husband will rule over you”...notice how God did not then say to Adam “ I now give you DOMINION over your wife”? God was warning Eve that the original command will now become so distorted through sin man will now rule over women, abuse them, use them, treat them as second rate citizens. Man will use every possible weapon, resource, even Gods word to twist it and use it for that very purpose.
Look at those scriptures about “submission”.

Did you know that when king James had his bible translated from the original there were 7 other translations he could have used for the word “submit”, one of them being “be gently persuaded” but as he was a king a MAN and wanted to DOMINATE his people, most of who couldn’t read or write he picked the best word that suited him.


1 Timothy 2: 11“ A woman should learn in quietness and fullsubmission.” Learn from who? God or man?
1 Timothy 2:12 “ I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” . Keep it quiet ladies! You may hear God clearly but men have got to learn to do that for themselves! Learn not to jump in with both feet being eager to teach the guys something that you may already know. Man has to learn to listen to God and obey God DIRECTLY, something he failed at in Genesis. You will notice in Genesis after the fall that God said to Adam “Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you “you must not eat”. Notice how God did NOT say that to Eve? Where was Eve when God said that to Adam? She wasn’t even made!!!!! Yes, she was the first deceived but Adam DELIBERATLY sinned. Men have to learn to UNDERSTAND the deeper things of the spirit, look at what happened when the women went and told the Apostles that Jesus had risen from the dead? It says in Luke’s gospel “ but they did not believe the women because their words seemed like nonsense” Women do not do guys any favours if they do not understand this command. Women, PRAY for Godly men, pray that guys seek God and stop being easily lead by others. Pray that they will rise up like Moses, Elijah, Paul, Peter, men who have set their eyes on God and will not follow false teachings because they can HEAR God themselves. This scripture obviously does not mean that in ALL circumstances a woman should never speak , teach or have authority over a man because otherwise God would not have made women prophetess’ in the old Test. As we know a prophet/prophetess is the MOUTH PIECE of God. God is not double minded or that would make Him unstable. This scripture needs to be put into context and not taken out of context just to shut a woman up or for men to try and control women, which is what God warned Eve they will try and do as a result of the fall. Women, read about Deborah, understand the authority that God gave her and she was not the only one. Remember that you are a “help mate” and there will be times that the Holy Spirit will lead you rise up in those situations where guys are really having a tough time and are desperate enough for you to step into your role.


Scripture will always line up with Gods nature. Jesus IS the word and the word IS Jesus. We cannot separate the two. Look at Jesus’s nature. “I stand at the door knocking”, does that sound like someone with a forceful nature MAKING someone submit? When people came up to him and said “Lord I will follow you wherever you go and He named the one thing they couldn’t do and they went away sad. Did he go running after them saying you MUST obey me! You MUST do as I say!!” ANYONE who uses scripture to CONTROL another person is using scripture in an abusive way.
All those scriptures directed at women are exactly that. They are FOR a woman and it is between her and God to work out not for men to try and control a woman with. Yes, a husband is the spiritual head of the house there to protect her spirit from emotional harm, from the enemies arrows and to protect her from physical harm..but how many men are actually using those scriptures to CAUSE emotional harm and physical harm?


It is for FREEDOM that Christ has set us free. Free to be ourselves, free to follow wherever the Lord leads. If any aspect of a Christian relationship is about control then people need to repent before they have to stand before Gods throne to deal with this one.




I am a married woman for approximately 8 years now. I remember prior to marriage, my boyfriend (who is now my husband) and I were meeting with a pastor for premarital counseling. The pastor read a scripture on “wives submitting to their husbands.” One day my boyfriend then turned to me and accused me of having a “problem with God’s words on submission.” I asked him what did “submission to your husband” really meant. He said a number of things but he was honest to say he wasn’t sure. Anyhow, the following week he asked the pastor to explain this verse to us on submission. The pastor’s explanation was not quite clear to me, but our understanding was that “submission to my husband” meant my husband makes the final decision in matters pertaining to us. For instance, let’s say we had to relocate, then he will finalize the decision on whether we relocate or not.
Well I turned to my boyfriend and told him when we become husband and wife, he is free to make the decisions, but I have to make sure that his decisions were in our best interest or else he will not make any decisions for us. Lol. My husband and I love each other so we just try to make our marriage work. Marriage is not easy and can be so hard at times.
 
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Married_Richenbrachen

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I realize that all threads are open for anyone to post but even so I clearly read in the original post that this was directed by Twofeet to women. So I stayed away. Unfortunately now the men have over run this thread and are posting twice as much as the ladies. I am appaulded by this. If the ladies wish to have their own discussion amoungst themselves, surely us men can afford them this simple request.
So if there were some other thread about promoting evolution or another false doctrine, but the thread were entitled "for women only", you wouldn't post? I understand there is a forum for women only. If women want to post false doctrine or deceptive doctrine there, let that be between them and the moderators. If I see something false and deceptive, and it is within my power to correct, I have a duty to do this, which outweighs any such "women only" text or similar which may appear in the thread title.
 
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danschance

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So if there were some other thread about promoting evolution or another false doctrine, but the thread were entitled "for women only", you wouldn't post? I understand there is a forum for women only. If women want to post false doctrine or deceptive doctrine there, let that be between them and the moderators. If I see something false and deceptive, and it is within my power to correct, I have a duty to do this, which outweighs any such "women only" text or similar which may appear in the thread title.
That's right, I would not post on a thread directed at women even if there was false doctrine on that that thread. The moderators know how to deal with that and there are many good solid women here who are capable of countering false doctrine.
 
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Married_Richenbrachen

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That's right, I would not post on a thread directed at women even if there was false doctrine on that that thread. The moderators know how to deal with that and there are many good solid women here who are capable of countering false doctrine.
Maybe so. :) But perhaps these women don't post on such threads, as they are being submissive to the men? Whereas on a woman's only thread, such women would know to perform their duty immediately. :)

With the moderators, I think they permit "minor" false teachings like evolution, feminism, dispensationalism etc. in the hopes that those who believe these will be persuaded of the truth. Although certainly not beneficial, I call such false teachings "minor", as they don't necessarily lead straight to hell (although I would say they give the devil a foothold in the lives of adherents).
 
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The Bible is good seed but it falls on bad soil and the soil produces these women's opinions. They look nothing like Sarah's daughters. Does God say anythingfor nothing? My advice to women is you must do something with the submission to husband verses because doing nothing when commanded to do something is sin. Your definition might not fit a wife beaters definition(that's good), but it does mean something to submit. You really have a problem with God (unless you think the Bible is not inspired by Him). My wife is not submissive but I do not treat her bad. That is a sterotype. She tells people how good I treat her. I also deal with my wife's bossyness and I do not obey her every command. I do not hate the women on this thread my wife would post simular. I still believe what I read "wives submit to your husbands."
 
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haz

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I see you think it is ok for men then to do the same and continue in the same attitude towards women and women are not ALLOWED to correct such error to bring BALANCE?
No where have I said it's ok for men to behave inappropriately in marriage. Your not trying to bait me with such a comment are you?:rolleyes:

My issue has always been with the dominant tyranny of feminism within western societies. Your arguments come across as just another feminist attack. I encountered such anti-men attacks before on another Christian forum, until it was confronted by many bloggers who got sick and tired of the continual topics attacking men.

As I mentioned before, your criticism of men in the context of societies damaged by the dominant tyranny of feminism is unhelpful.
The scenario you paint that women are the innocent victims and men the perpetrators, is unbalanced. You seem to do what the feminists do.

I do not see them everywhere, as I have said a number of times on this thread I have been blessed to be surrounded by the opposite. This thread is to ADDRESS such men that walk this line. There is a big difference.
Can I suggest you tone down the vitriol of your posts then.
You've no doubt read the posts of others like myself here who have not come across all these evil men that you feel are so numerous.

Note this quote of yours below.
Men will look for EVERY way possible and EVERY scripture possible to back up that sinful attitude of control. It is a mindset, a stronghold, built by years of MEN teaching MEN and women being told to be quiet.
Such language comes across as feminist vitriol attacking all men.

But the reality is that the majority of men are not like you and the feminists allege.

Countries like Pakistan, the middle east, etc have societies that fit the description that you allege of western societies. If you were attacking societies like what we see in Pakistan then I would agree with you.

But in western societies where the dominant tyranny is feminism, I find it strange that a Christian woman would remain silent about feminism in her efforts to further sink the boot into men who have already been damaged by the several decades of attacks by feminism.
 
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haz

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I think it's how you interpret life, Haz. Feminists are indoctrinated to think they've always been hard-done by, and will always insist on taking more and more. These people can't be satisfied, because the problem is not with men, and never was, the problem lies within the feminists themselves.

The true purpose of feminism was never "equal rights" for women, but the destruction of the family, and erosion of the role of men as society's leaders. I think it was funded by the communists, because strong families and male headship were significant obstacles to exploitation of the people. You see feminism running rife today, families destroyed, too many men who can't or aren't permitted to lead. Mission accomplished, I think. The next phase - exploitation of everyone - is already underway.
You are correct, feminism and communism are definately linked.

I've heard of a book title The Naked Communists which lists out the goals of communists in reshaping society. This book was written back in the 50's. Many of their goals in reshaping society have either been attained or close to being attained.
 
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Married_Richenbrachen

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You are correct, feminism and communism are definately linked.

I've heard of a book title The Naked Communists which lists out the goals of communists in reshaping society. This book was written back in the 50's. Many of their goals in reshaping society have either been attained or close to being attained.
The irony is, because they don't call it communism (but "freedom" or "democracy"), hardly anyone has noticed! :D "Baaaaaaaa!"