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Thanks for your testimony. I just wrote mine testimony using Eph. 5:21, too! About how I was abused, but decided it was too personal to post, esp. since we have resolved it for over 8 years, although the abuse lasted 20 years, and it was not my fault.
Maybe some day, I will tell about all the women I know who have been abused by their Christian husbands in the name of obedience, when submission doesn't mean that at all. If a husband treats his wife as Christ treats the church, there will be no problems in the marriage. Because any wife would be happy to be treated with love and respect and not be abused in the name of some frail male ego using obedience as a way to subjugate his wife.
And thanks to all the men who defend the intelligence, the love and ability of Christian wives, and the need for equality in a post resurrection world. Go back to being created in the image of God. That is the Garden of Eden. The curse was Adam directly disobeying God (Adam KNEW not to eat, Eve was not there when God commanded that!) but Jesus redeemed us all from the curse of sin and death, including men who think they need to be in control, when in fact, God is in control.
It's kind of funny that democracy must not work either, from some of the political comments here! Some men seem to think that someone has to be in control like a dictator, when the principle of democracy is freedom (with responsibility, of course!). So is that for men only, too? Or did those rabid Christian feminists who fought for the vote ruin democracy, too?
I think I would rather live in a country where women were considered equal, than one where men had to be in control of everything. It seems like other than Elizabeth I, most of the wars and problems in the world have occurred when men were in authority.
One only has to think for a minute about women wearing the hijab to realize what happens when men think they need to control women - right down to what they wear!
Maybe some day, I will tell about all the women I know who have been abused by their Christian husbands in the name of obedience, when submission doesn't mean that at all. If a husband treats his wife as Christ treats the church, there will be no problems in the marriage. Because any wife would be happy to be treated with love and respect and not be abused in the name of some frail male ego using obedience as a way to subjugate his wife.
And thanks to all the men who defend the intelligence, the love and ability of Christian wives, and the need for equality in a post resurrection world. Go back to being created in the image of God. That is the Garden of Eden. The curse was Adam directly disobeying God (Adam KNEW not to eat, Eve was not there when God commanded that!) but Jesus redeemed us all from the curse of sin and death, including men who think they need to be in control, when in fact, God is in control.
It's kind of funny that democracy must not work either, from some of the political comments here! Some men seem to think that someone has to be in control like a dictator, when the principle of democracy is freedom (with responsibility, of course!). So is that for men only, too? Or did those rabid Christian feminists who fought for the vote ruin democracy, too?
I think I would rather live in a country where women were considered equal, than one where men had to be in control of everything. It seems like other than Elizabeth I, most of the wars and problems in the world have occurred when men were in authority.
One only has to think for a minute about women wearing the hijab to realize what happens when men think they need to control women - right down to what they wear!
M
For the record, I don't believe in democracy, either (a republic, even a monarchy, is a much better system of government). Most people today, including most men, don't have the sense to know what's good for them. And even if they did, why should my freedom be subject to their whims? God gave me the power and responsibility over my own actions for a reason. That reason isn't to worship the will of the masses.
H
The irony is, because they don't call it communism (but "freedom" or "democracy"), hardly anyone has noticed! 
"Baaaaaaaa!"
"Baaaaaaaa!"
And the mainstream media they infiltrated and now dominate, brainwashes society with their ideology, under the false labels of "freedom", "human rights", "tolerance", etc.
Communists deceitfully use labels and change labels to suit their agenda.
For example "communists" has been changed to "progressives".
Sadly there are more communists/progressives around today than there was in the past.
T
Well in that case you need to ask yourself why did God not say to Eve as He said to Adam " you ate of the tree I told YOU not to? "...you think God forgot to put that in or to say it? Yes, she knew about it, likewise if I said to ONE of my 3 children " under no circumstances are you allowed to leave the house today and all 3 left the house which one is deliberately being disobedient? The God I serve deals in specifics. He is not vague.
T
I would just like to clarify, as a few GUYS on here see my point of view as feminist and think that's SO unGodly. Here are a few pointers from where I am sitting.
1. I have never been married to a christian guy so have NEVER suffered the wounds of "spiritual "abuse or control. So I am not speaking from a place of bitterness against some nasty ex husband
2. I have been privileged to be around GODLY men for 30 years who have treated their women as equals but at the same time been the spiritual head protecting their wives spirit as is biblical. Interesting that the men I have seen display this attitude of love and equality towards their wives are some of the strongest Christian men I know who never waver from their faith,and are constantly building the kingdom of God and displaying the Lords love yet those Christians males who are up and down in their walk and dont seem to be as close to God are the ones with the domineering control attitudes.
Am I someone who will not submit? I think my recent testimony on here I shared about how the Lord told me to quit my job after 17 years and sell my home after 27 years and move should speak volumes of whether I submit or not. I did it without question.
So all your guys who want to stick to your guns in how YOU understand the bible totally ignoring the possibility that actually your understanding may be incorrect because it has been taught by men , who were taught by men.....all which God warned Eve would want to control women....you are now without excuse if you happened to be wrong.
It makes no difference at all to me if YOU are right in your attitude because I'm very happy single. I have no husband to submit to, only the Lord...and I certainly have no issue there.
1. I have never been married to a christian guy so have NEVER suffered the wounds of "spiritual "abuse or control. So I am not speaking from a place of bitterness against some nasty ex husband
2. I have been privileged to be around GODLY men for 30 years who have treated their women as equals but at the same time been the spiritual head protecting their wives spirit as is biblical. Interesting that the men I have seen display this attitude of love and equality towards their wives are some of the strongest Christian men I know who never waver from their faith,and are constantly building the kingdom of God and displaying the Lords love yet those Christians males who are up and down in their walk and dont seem to be as close to God are the ones with the domineering control attitudes.
Am I someone who will not submit? I think my recent testimony on here I shared about how the Lord told me to quit my job after 17 years and sell my home after 27 years and move should speak volumes of whether I submit or not. I did it without question.
So all your guys who want to stick to your guns in how YOU understand the bible totally ignoring the possibility that actually your understanding may be incorrect because it has been taught by men , who were taught by men.....all which God warned Eve would want to control women....you are now without excuse if you happened to be wrong.
It makes no difference at all to me if YOU are right in your attitude because I'm very happy single. I have no husband to submit to, only the Lord...and I certainly have no issue there.
Eve ate first knowing God's command through Adam. Adam had never lied before because there was no sin. That is different from your children theory. Eve also convinced Adam to eat the fruit. Who was the ringleader? Eve! Who was first to sin? Woman. It is funny you should mention God telling Adam and not Eve. Why? Was it because Adam was head of the family? Yes indeed.
D
Are you judge, jury and executioner as well? How is Twofeet being haughty? ..by not submitting to you? You are condemning her by saying she is not submitting to the Lord and really only the Lord knows that. In my opinion, you are the one at fault here, not Twofeet.
You are the one posting on a thread for women and then start bashing Twofeet? Honestly, that seems to be a violation of edicate, to say the least.
You are the one posting on a thread for women and then start bashing Twofeet? Honestly, that seems to be a violation of edicate, to say the least.
M
TwoFeet still lives and breathes, does she not? So how can you say executioner? A jury requires twelve, and as I am one, I'm not that. As for judge - I'm pointing out an error in her reasoning. Do you think God would prefer false teaching and false words be left unchallenged?
Why is it necessary to mention gender, if her argument stands by itself? Why bring up gender at all, unless she is trying to instigate a "battle of the sexes"?
Why does she imply being married to a "Christian guy" involves "spiritual abuse or control", or a "nasty ex husband"?
I could go on, but I've given you two examples from a recent post and there are plenty of others for those who care to look. As a rule, I think all feminists are haughty, or they wouldn't be feminists. God gives clear instructions on the roles of women, and such women choose to defy God's natural order.
She has a negative attitude about men. Are you saying this is a Godly attitude for a woman to have? What if someone had a negative attitude about people of a different race? Do you think that is Godly? Neither do I condemn her - I simply point out the falsehood in her statements.
Your opinion has been noted.
This is not a thread for women. I thought you learned that in a separate thread? If women want to post false teachings and statements on a thread men do not have access to, they are able to do this.
Neither do I understand why you say I am bashing TwoFeet. I would say the same things were it you posting the false teachings. I don't think I have "bashed" her, but you're welcome to provide "bashing" examples if you believe I am wrong.
It is spelled "etiquette".
Why is it necessary to mention gender, if her argument stands by itself? Why bring up gender at all, unless she is trying to instigate a "battle of the sexes"?
Why does she imply being married to a "Christian guy" involves "spiritual abuse or control", or a "nasty ex husband"?
I could go on, but I've given you two examples from a recent post and there are plenty of others for those who care to look. As a rule, I think all feminists are haughty, or they wouldn't be feminists. God gives clear instructions on the roles of women, and such women choose to defy God's natural order.
She has a negative attitude about men. Are you saying this is a Godly attitude for a woman to have? What if someone had a negative attitude about people of a different race? Do you think that is Godly? Neither do I condemn her - I simply point out the falsehood in her statements.
Your opinion has been noted.
This is not a thread for women. I thought you learned that in a separate thread? If women want to post false teachings and statements on a thread men do not have access to, they are able to do this.
Neither do I understand why you say I am bashing TwoFeet. I would say the same things were it you posting the false teachings. I don't think I have "bashed" her, but you're welcome to provide "bashing" examples if you believe I am wrong.
It is spelled "etiquette".
T
False teaching? Just because YOUR understanding of scripture is different to mine who says it is false? If I went against anything the bible says then it would false teaching....but I have not said ANYTHING that is not biblical. The only difference is MY understanding does not fit into YOUR understanding so who is to say whether I am right or wrong other than God?
It is also interesting how now I am having those fiery darts thrown at me of accusations.....who's side are you on? Do you not know that our fight is NOT against flesh and blood? You are turning this into a personal attack against my character ..SATAN is the accuser of the brethren. If you do not know how to discuss scripture and different peoples understanding of scripture without making it personal maybe you would be better off joining a non christian forum where that behaviour is acceptable. There is no need at all for you to start with personal attacks against me.
M
If my understanding of scripture is different to your understanding of scripture, one must be false. Mine is the understanding that does not contradict scripture.
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Correct.
What does 1 Corinthians 11:3 mean?
Who deceived Eve?
Please quote the personal attack I made against you. I don't believe I made one. Declaring a teaching to be false is not a personal attack.
Please also let me refer you to shill tactic #2. You are not discussing keys issues or facts, but are becoming incredulous and accusing me of making personal attacks. This isn't the way to prove your point.
2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the “How dare you!” gambit.
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Correct.
What does 1 Corinthians 11:3 mean?
Who deceived Eve?
Please quote the personal attack I made against you. I don't believe I made one. Declaring a teaching to be false is not a personal attack.
Please also let me refer you to shill tactic #2. You are not discussing keys issues or facts, but are becoming incredulous and accusing me of making personal attacks. This isn't the way to prove your point.
2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the “How dare you!” gambit.