What Laws are still valid to christians

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Hizikyah

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Originally Posted by Hizikyah

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Mattithyah 7:21, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."


And there you have it. . .love of God and neighbor fulfills all the law.
This is true...

I can't follow the Law without loving and you can't love without following the Law.
 
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If we were totally born of the spirit we wouldn't be here in this body now? We are not yet fully born again? We are becoming sons of god bt we are not yet quite his sons ? If it were so we would be with him?
Our spirit is fully born again, and we are the sons of God Ro 8:14-16; Gal 3:26, 4:6).
 
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Welshman said:
We are in fact in a state of gestation , not as yet born again, we wnt be totally born again til he collects all from the four corners of the globe ,
Well, actually, according to the NT, there is no partial rebirth of our spirits which are born without the Holy Spirit (dead,) and are raised from their death (first resurrection) in the rebirth to eternal life. Our spirits are in full possession of eternal life.
The Holy Spirit is a guarantee we are gods children and are about to be born in him? Fully spiritual ? First natural then spiritual ?
Rebirth is of our spirits, and they are reborn into the eternal life which Adam lost when he rebelled.
Our spirits are not partially reborn into eternal life.

The Holy Spirit is a deposit guaranteeing the inheritance kept in heaven for us (1Pe 1:4) which we will receive at the end of time.
We ought be as. Babes? Not scholars...
This is not according to the NT, where we are instructed to

"Prepare your minds for action." (1Pe 1:13)
"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that is in you." (1Pe 3:15)
"Watch your life and doctrine closely." (1Tim 4:16)
"Contend for the faith (doctrine) that was once for all delivered to the saints." (Jude 3)
Babes as in learning from him is implied in the context dnt try misquote me suit your own ends friend? Dnt seek to teach rather than sit n learn is the context? Again dnt change this either? Some on here its a frequent tactic?
What context?

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And the same people keep playing the game? No wonder many gne quiet on here during the last week bt the same law keepers are still at it reeling verses off avoiding the question replying so quik I doubt they even read the posts proper saying everyone else is defective in knowledge only they can be correct ? Yeh you know who you are? Bt you wnt get me debating or arguing for the sake of it il state my case il state my beliefs but as many have found out this site is dominated by Jewish believers we only have to go bk to first page til this page to see that's true , persistently using same tactics bt you've bn rumbled lately not many to argue with? Wonder why? Pontificator s at best Christ haters at worst? Dnt try subject me to law ? Some comments such ( our holy actions our holy works) tells me enuf about thier beliefs so good luck with it brother/sisters?, how on earth can the love of Christ abound in your heart, when you speak as you do? There as some here that are as saved as atilla the Hun. And as I said before good luck with that?
 
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Originally Posted by Hizikyah

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Mattithyah 7:21, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."




This is true...

I can't follow the Law without loving and you can't love without following the Law.
I follow the Holy Spirit in my heart, not some written law, when it comes to love which fulfills the law.

I don't need check in with a written code to tell me not to steal, murder or be unkind to those whom I love.
 

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And the same people keep playing the game? No wonder many gne quiet on here during the last week bt the same law keepers are still at it reeling verses off avoiding the question replying so quik I doubt they even read the posts proper saying everyone else is defective in knowledge only they can be correct ? Yeh you know who you are? Bt you wnt get me debating or arguing for the sake of it il state my case il state my beliefs but as many have found out this site is dominated by Jewish believers we only have to go bk to first page til this page to see that's true , persistently using same tactics bt you've bn rumbled lately not many to argue with? Wonder why? Pontificator s at best Christ haters at worst? Dnt try subject me to law ? Some comments such ( our holy actions our holy works) tells me enuf about thier beliefs so good luck with it brother/sisters?, how on earth can the love of Christ abound in your heart, when you speak as you do? There as some here that are as saved as atilla the Hun. And as I said before good luck with that?
Do you not know that judaisim (talmudic) is satanic screech owl teachings? and that Yahshua the Messiah told us to follow Yahweh's Law?

If you can show me ONE single verse where Yahshua (Jesus) says not to follow Yahweh's Law I will never tell anyone on this site the Yahweh's Law is great!...
 
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Israel is gods treasure? Then she's not Israel is the goal then she's not Israel was blind and still is? Picking and choosing scripture to suit your own supposition denying christs work then claiming the law of Christ ? I could go on n on bt my fingers have grown tired with it? Jesus to me will always be Jesus to me? Friend lord, and master?, but to think I could do anything to nurture myself closer to him is delusional , tis all his grace his patience his love his vastness his majesty and all else that he is , bt Jesus to me is very real ? Il not say no more now il await some fresh comers to the debate tired of the nonsense of the regular 4/5 who seem to be the only truth tellers and mouthpieces for god here all the rest of us are I'm afraid not god fearing believers at all? Heaven above?, would be funny if it weren't so serious?
 

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I follow the Holy Spirit in my heart, not some written law, when it comes to love which fulfills the law.

I don't need check in with a written code to tell me not to steal, murder or be unkind to those whom I love.
That is great, but did you check with the WORD to learn about the Messiah and what He Commands? Did you not check a "a written code" concering the Messiahs words? And did not the Spirit help you to understand this?

We are told to test the spirits, now you may be a perfect saint, idk, but at times we can let our flesh get in the way OR another spirit can trick, so if we know the written word well we can test the spirits against Yahweh's instructions.

Yahchanan (John) 6:63 "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Instructions that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

Also you know that Shaul says only a Spiritual man can subject himself to Yahweh's Law? (and please, NO the pharisees did not in any way subject themselves to Yahweh's Law, they made their own law)
 
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This is true...

I can't follow the Law without loving and you can't love without following the Law.
A brother can't love a brother without resting on Saturdays? Think about what you're saying. That's just idiotic.
 

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Do you not know that judaisim (talmudic) is satanic screech owl teachings? and that Yahshua the Messiah told us to follow Yahweh's Law?

If you can show me ONE single verse where Yahshua (Jesus) says not to follow Yahweh's Law I will never tell anyone on this site the Yahweh's Law is great!...
Israel is gods treasure? Then she's not Israel is the goal then she's not Israel was blind and still is? Picking and choosing scripture to suit your own supposition denying christs work then claiming the law of Christ ? I could go on n on bt my fingers have grown tired with it? Jesus to me will always be Jesus to me? Friend lord, and master?, but to think I could do anything to nurture myself closer to him is delusional , tis all his grace his patience his love his vastness his majesty and all else that he is , bt Jesus to me is very real ? Il not say no more now il await some fresh comers to the debate tired of the nonsense of the regular 4/5 who seem to be the only truth tellers and mouthpieces for god here all the rest of us are I'm afraid not god fearing believers at all? Heaven above?, would be funny if it weren't so serious?
You know you cant find a verse where the Messiah says not to follow Yahweh's Law...

What kind of world do we live in when people claim that LISTENING to the words of the Messiah Yahshua and following them is denying Him?

Oh yeah about "IsraEL"

Mattithyah 23:37, " O Yerusalem! Yerusalem! You who murder the prophets and stone those who are sent to you! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings--but you were not willing!"

Mattithyah 23:33-36 "Serpents! Brood of vipers! How will you escape the sentence of Gehenna? On this account, behold, I send to you prophets, wise men, and scribes; and some of them you will kill and impale, some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city; So that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the 1awhole earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zecharyah, the son of Berechyah, whom you murdered between the porch and the altar. Truly I say to you: All these things will come upon this generation."

Revelation 2:9, "I know your works, and tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich), and I know how you are slandered by those who say they are Yahdaim(Jews), and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

Do you not know that those who dont accept the Messiah and obey Yahweh are NOT Israyl, and those that do are Israyl? Blood or not...

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”

Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

Acts 17:30-31, “In the past Yahweh winked at such ignorance, but now He commands all men everywhere to repent! For He has appointed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness, by a Man whom He has ordained; and He has given evidence to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”

Hebrews 10:26-30
"For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Those who rejected the Law given through Mosheh died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished, who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, and has counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing, and who has insulted the Spirit of mercy? For we know Him Who has said: Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says Yahweh. And again: Yahweh will judge His people."
 
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That is great, but did you check with the WORD to learn about the Messiah and what He Commands? Did you not check a "a written code" concering the Messiahs words? And did not the Spirit help you to understand this?
I did not.

In the NT, the written code is the Mosaic Law.

Are you deliberately misusing the term?
 

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I did not.

In the NT, the written code is the Mosaic Law.

Are you deliberately misusing the term?
Ok you misunderstodd my point, poor use of english by me...

Did you read the "words" in the "NT" about what Yahshua Commanded?

also there was more to my post...
 

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A brother can't love a brother without resting on Saturdays? Think about what you're saying. That's just idiotic.
No that is not what I said...

I said LOVE, period and these 2 greatest Commandments, are from Yahweh's Law...

As in:
Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Honoring Sabbath is showing love, respect, honor and obedience TO THE CREATOR OF ALL THAT IS. As in "You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might"

If you love me keep my Commands.................
 

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Bottom line Yahweh's Law is HIS definition of how to love Him, and mankind...

The pharisees twisted it into thier own law in which completely dispatched Yahweh's Law, Yahshua properly followed and taught Yahweh's Law...but there are many Laws Yahshua did not talk about, He never literally came put and said, "you shall have no gods in the face of Yahweh." None the less that Law still stands. We know we have but a snippet of what Yahshua actually said and did. Yahshua is recorded in saying to teach and do Yahweh's Law and that those who wont subject themselves to it will be rejected... I dont understand how I get so much oppisition for simply speaking obedience to Yahweh in Yahshua Messiah...
 
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Bottom line Yahweh's Law is HIS definition of how to love Him, and mankind...

The pharisees twisted it into thier own law in which completely dispatched Yahweh's Law, Yahshua properly followed and taught Yahweh's Law...but there are many Laws Yahshua did not talk about, He never literally came put and said, "you shall have no gods in the face of Yahweh." None the less that Law still stands. We know we have but a snippet of what Yahshua actually said and did. Yahshua is recorded in saying to teach and do Yahweh's Law and that those who wont subject themselves to it will be rejected... I dont understand how I get so much oppisition for simply speaking obedience to Yahweh in Yahshua Messiah...
Bottom line GOD's law is summed up in two commandments: faith in GOD and love of the brothers. The reason you get so much opposition is because you are trying to subvert this truth.
 

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Bottom line GOD's law is summed up in two commandments: faith in GOD and love of the brothers. The reason you get so much opposition is because you are trying to subvert this truth.
It seems you are the one subverting the truth by claiming these two can be followed while ignoring ALL THEY HANG ON...

Can you keep these two while breaking any of these?

Leviticus 19:9-18,29-31 "When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not completely harvest the corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. You shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather every grape of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and the stranger; I am Yahweh your Father. You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie one to another. Do not vow falsely with My Name, and so profane the Name of your Father. I am Yahweh. You shall not defraud your neighbor, nor rob him. Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight. Do not curse the deaf or put a stumblingblock in front of the blind; but reverence your Father. I am Yahweh. Do not pervert judgment: You shall not show partiality to the poor, nor honor to the person of the great. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor fairly. You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh. You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt. Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor; whether a brother or an enemy, as yourself. I am Yahweh.Do not prostitute your daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; or the land will fall into harlotry, and the land will become full of wickedness. Do not turn to mediums nor familiar spirits. Do not seek after them, to be defiled by them. I am Yahweh. You shall stand up before the gray headed, and you shall honor the presence of an Elder or Teacher; thereby giving reverence to your Heavenly Father. I am Yahweh. If a stranger lives with you in your and, do not mistreat him. The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh. Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight, or quantity. You shall have honest balances, honest weights, an honest ephah; a dry measure, and an honest in; a liquid measure. I am Yahweh your Father Who brought you out of the land of Egypt; Therefore, you must observe all My statutes and My judgments, and perform and do them. I am Yahweh."
 
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Bottom line GOD's law is summed up in two commandments: faith in GOD and love of the brothers. The reason you get so much opposition is because you are trying to subvert this truth.
It seems you are the one subverting the truth by claiming these two can be followed while ignoring ALL THEY HANG ON...
That's not what Jesus Christ said.

Matt 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
 
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It seems you are the one subverting the truth by claiming these two can be followed while ignoring ALL THEY HANG ON...
You're twisting it. The 10 hang on the 2; the 2 don't depend on the 10. And it's all summed up in one word - love.
 

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You're twisting it. The 10 hang on the 2; the 2 don't depend on the 10. And it's all summed up in one word - love.
So I can "hate my brother in my heart?"

and "cast stumbling blocks in front of him?"

"withold his wages?"

"not feed the poor"

"use dishonest standards?"

ohh, and if its only 10 its ok the animinal husbandry? and man lay with man?

NO!

Can you keep these two while breaking any of these?

Leviticus 19:9-18,29-31 "When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not completely harvest the corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. You shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather every grape of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and the stranger; I am Yahweh your Father. You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie one to another. Do not vow falsely with My Name, and so profane the Name of your Father. I am Yahweh. You shall not defraud your neighbor, nor rob him. Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight. Do not curse the deaf or put a stumblingblock in front of the blind; but reverence your Father. I am Yahweh. Do not pervert judgment: You shall not show partiality to the poor, nor honor to the person of the great. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor fairly. You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh. You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt. Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor; whether a brother or an enemy, as yourself. I am Yahweh.Do not prostitute your daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; or the land will fall into harlotry, and the land will become full of wickedness. Do not turn to mediums nor familiar spirits. Do not seek after them, to be defiled by them. I am Yahweh. You shall stand up before the gray headed, and you shall honor the presence of an Elder or Teacher; thereby giving reverence to your Heavenly Father. I am Yahweh. If a stranger lives with you in your and, do not mistreat him. The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh. Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight, or quantity. You shall have honest balances, honest weights, an honest ephah; a dry measure, and an honest in; a liquid measure. I am Yahweh your Father Who brought you out of the land of Egypt; Therefore, you must observe all My statutes and My judgments, and perform and do them. I am Yahweh."
 

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You're twisting it. The 10 hang on the 2; the 2 don't depend on the 10. And it's all summed up in one word - love.
hold on....

back the train up...

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10 you say?......

so does this include the 4th Commandment?

or is it 9 now?