What Laws are still valid to christians
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You know the followers of Yahshua ARE Israyl And Sabbath was ALWAYS for gentiles too:
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."
Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."
Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
Yet the level of Spiritual connection and dedication done on THE DAY HE COMMANDS goes far beyond on day and way a person chooses. Also the man who honors Yahweh in the way He commands on the 7th day, is still able to follow Yahweh every day. However it is 100% impossible for any person to focus 100% 7 days a week...
Also disobeying Yahweh's command for ones person view is not love....
Mr HeRoseFromTheDead, do you remember how Abel cose to offer a sacrifice in they way Yahweh wanted and Cain chose to offer a sacrifice in the way Cain chose? Yahweh is very particular.
Also disobeying Yahweh's command for ones person view is not love....
Mr HeRoseFromTheDead, do you remember how Abel cose to offer a sacrifice in they way Yahweh wanted and Cain chose to offer a sacrifice in the way Cain chose? Yahweh is very particular.
Abel offer what Yahweh Commanded, Cain did not.
According to Scripture the man who doesent walk in the Spirit is in oppisition to Yahweh's Law. I lived most my life in the exact doctrine that you hold, the entire time I, only talking about me here, IDK you, I walked contrary to Yahweh, I had Him interviene in my life with great power and I started to meditate on the Scriptures for hours and hours EVERY DAY, this is when I finally understood what He had been wanting from me, it was a multi year process and still is but I ahve truly changed, and certianly I owe this to Yahweh, now I enjoy being his slave with a joy and comfort I have never had in my life.
I get the impression that faith without works is dead, and I seek to obey the Commands of Yahweh and Yahshua because I love them much and do not want them to be dissappointed with me but joyful.
According to Matt 7:23, Yahshua will tell all who will not subject themselves to Yahweh's Law to get away.
According to Scripture the man who doesent walk in the Spirit is in oppisition to Yahweh's Law. I lived most my life in the exact doctrine that you hold, the entire time I, only talking about me here, IDK you, I walked contrary to Yahweh, I had Him interviene in my life with great power and I started to meditate on the Scriptures for hours and hours EVERY DAY, this is when I finally understood what He had been wanting from me, it was a multi year process and still is but I ahve truly changed, and certianly I owe this to Yahweh, now I enjoy being his slave with a joy and comfort I have never had in my life.
I get the impression that faith without works is dead, and I seek to obey the Commands of Yahweh and Yahshua because I love them much and do not want them to be dissappointed with me but joyful.
According to Matt 7:23, Yahshua will tell all who will not subject themselves to Yahweh's Law to get away.
Jesuys did rise on the sabbath but the law of moses was sealed along with the testimony when yashua came it is written in isaiah 8:16 and 20 later comfirmed by paul and agreed with the disciples i am doing a study this is so far what is being dug up i just came out of a forty fast this is the second ive done for this lenghth and i tell you you get a clarity and the revealing is great one thing i can say the law has been magnified and made honourable in jesus but by the law of the spirit
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THe law of moses is dead, It died with Christ. Don't ask me ask Paul. the law came and I died, Then replaced his faith in the cross and he was revived. You cannot keep law, it is spiritually and physically impossible. Where will you take your lamb, the veil was split and the altar is gone. You must keep the whole law.
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I think , both sides in this debate need to back up and try to see the whole picture, neither side sounds totally Biblical to me. you are examining the trees of the forest but neither of you have seen the forest itself. Do you have a picture of the eternal plan of God? Have you ever considered ,what is the THEME of the Bible? God took over 3,000 yr. to weave the theme of the Bible and God used the N.T. to clarify it. There is only one passaga in the whole Biblethat tells us the good side of God's plan, The good Theme of the Bible. The bad side of God's theme involues evil; But I won't get into that. The good theme is: The eternal Covenant of God's Grace. THE ETERNAL COVENANT OFGOD'S GRACE is presented in Romans 8:28-29 "... Love to all , Hoffco
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The theme of the Bible is : THE ETERNAL COVENANT OF GOD'S GRACE. It is presented in whole in Rom.8:28-30. "...the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined ... whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified." What is that in layman's language? Out of God's eternal LOVE, God chose certian ones to save, these persons are Born of God (after they enter history) and they are forgiven their sins, and in the end they get to be perfectly like Jesus, God's son. This is God's eternal purpose for all creation; Is to populate the New Earth with a race of mankind that will be just like His created son, Jesus. This is all for the GLORY of God's love, grace. Hoffco
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I will not go into God's eternal theme of EVIL, which God also created for His GLORY. NOW, back to God's theme of salvation. The Bible tells us HOW God works out the Theme of Salvation. In brief, God chose to make a round about way to write HIS STORY of redemption. He put in a lot of extras which made the story more colorful, but yet very confusing to the mind of man. BUT, this was a part of His plan, to make the story with so many non essentials that men would naturally reject it. God didn't want anyone to get the credit for any part of the basic plan. God is the leading role and gets all the glory. But God made man and angels to have supporting roles; so man feels the challenge to seek and win God's favor. So, the whole plan is summed up by, we are saved by Grace,thru faith and Good Works. Therefore, if we want to win, we must do our part well.! " in your perseverence you will save your soul." YET, "to God be the GLORY".! Love to all, Hoffco
