Problems with the Missouri Synod Lutheran Chrurch.

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GreenNnice

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Really? OK. I apologize.
I still would like to know what I've said in past posts that prompted you to even call me that, risenHis ?

I just was asking someone to explain what they believed that a pentecostal/charismatic believed, of Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit . And, I was talking to a specific person , so, yeah, just not sure where that comment came from. No worriees, bro, all is forgiven by Christ and anyone who decides to say something not nice to me I WILL forgive them, again and again and again................ I would want the same for me.

I like this example too. Christ died on the cross for us, and, we all put Christ ON that cross, and, YET, He saved me from eternal death in the ground. Didn't have to, but did . So, what kind of spirit is in me IF I can't forgive others after ALL (that one thing means 'all' to me :) ) He's done for me ? Of course, His Spirit is in me, leading my spirit through life. :) He leads all who've chosen Him as Saviour and Lord God of their life, who've decided to follow Him :)

However, I do believe in the Lord's leading and if someone is calling me a name then I think that person is doing so to others, too, so, I will not let that go unnoticed to the c.c. top .
 
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You said calvinists were nazis. errsingleoneofdem
No, I may have said Calvinism has parts of nazisim in it, but, again, quit getting off topic, jimdig, YOU said I called you a 'nazi,' which I NEVER have. :)
First Witch: Where hast thou been, sister?
Second Witch: Killing swine.
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I still would like to know what I've said in past posts that prompted you to even call me that, risenHis ?
I really don't pay much attention to your posts because your train of thought is hard for me to follow.

Nevertheless, I do find your incessant butchering of people's names EXTREMELY IRRITATING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So back atcha.
 
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GreenNnice

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The way I see it, too, and, jimdig could be right (IMAGINE THAT ! :D LOL, i'm just kiddin' ya, jimmybro :) ) that i've negatively nicknamed someone but,the Lord leads, and, I know my heart's after Him. HEY, I'm not perfect, risenHis isn' perfect, even jimdig, yeah, I make BAD judgments sometimes, but, it's the HEART that matters. Never forget, and, what I think, and, I happen to liike green slime, LOL, it brings back fond childhood memories of a toy slime I had as a kid, but, yeah, YOUR HEART, I just pray, Christ peeps, fellow bros and sis', that your heart is after Him :) That's what matters , that's it :)
 
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The way I see it, too, and, jimdig could be right (IMAGINE THAT ! :D LOL, i'm just kiddin' ya, jimmybro :) ) that i've negatively nicknamed someone but,the Lord leads, and, I know my heart's after Him. HEY, I'm not perfect, risenHis isn' perfect, even jimdig, yeah, I make BAD judgments sometimes, but, it's the HEART that matters. Never forget, and, what I think, and, I happen to liike green slime, LOL, it brings back fond childhood memories of a toy slime I had as a kid, but, yeah, YOUR HEART, I just pray, Christ peeps, fellow bros and sis', that your heart is after Him :) That's what matters , that's it :)
I meant no offense slimeygreenbeansNrice. I just figured that what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
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First Witch: Where hast thou been, sister?
Second Witch: Killing swine.
--The Tragedy of Macbeth, Shakespeare (c. 1603-1607)


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Prov 20:1 Wine [is] a mocker, strong drink [is] raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

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You're right Stephen perhaps some will take their blinders off about you. Perhaps they will finally see what you are really about.
Yes indeed. Their blinders will come off from believing the poison you & your little group have been have been dispensing on myself & other good people on this site because we're Pentecostals & Charismatics. They will see the true fruits of your labor & understand for themselves. I have confidence that they will, for God is faithful to them, to reveal to them the truth. I am not in the least intimidated by you or ANY of your group. And for good reason:
2 Timothy 1:7 (KJV) [SUP]7 [/SUP]For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
 
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Things appear to be getting personal and negative.
If my assessment is correct, and you feel like you want to be negative and personal, please step back and collect yourself.
If my perceptions are incorrect, then never mind.
 
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Huckleberry

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Things appear to be getting personal and negative.
If my assessment is correct, and you feel like you want to be negative and personal, please step back and collect yourself.
If my perceptions are incorrect, then never mind.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, let's try to focus on the essential.
Indianapolis was able to come back in the fourth quarter and defeat Houston.
 
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Psalm 91:1-8 [SUP]1 [/SUP]He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. [SUP]2 [/SUP]I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence. [SUP]4 [/SUP]He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; [SUP]6 [/SUP]Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. [SUP]7 [/SUP]A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
 

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Re: Problems with the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church.

well i feel for your mother-in-law.

ALL the Lutherans i know are prepared for death and do not doubt their salvation.
perhaps you've convinced your-mother-in-law she doesn't have faith because God doesn't take time out to talk directly to her...or perhaps you have her convinced your faith commands the elements. perhaps you are responsible for undermining her faith.

in my opinion, that's exactly what's wrong with Pentecostal / Charismatic Movement - making simple believers doubt ... because they may be gullible enough to believe your tall tales. i certainly don't.

neither do i lack faith in Christ - He is the object my faith....not some dubious Krishna coffee break i laid claim to.

i'm putting you on ignore for awhile ricky.
i can't stand your theology.
you tried that with me (the elitism of your imagination = spirituality)...it didn't work.
it made me sad for you and everyone you lie to.
now i'm sad for your MIL.
1Jn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
 

my_adonai_

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Re: Problems with the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church.

My wife is born and bred LCMS. And since she takes care of her invalid mother, who is a founding member of the congregation, that's where they go. I go with them on occasion to be one in Christ. The church itself is a big money loser, and sitting on valuable real estate the Synod would love to sell. It wasn't always LCMS, they had to sign away the building to become so, but some wise individual insisted on a clause allowing the existing congregation to use the building for as long as they wanted. Most of the existing congregation is old and poor, and even with the school the place is a money pit for the Synod. They started to evict them several years ago, but my wife dug into the old files and found the original contract, and I found in that the clause giving them use of the building.

My mother in law symbolizes everything that's wrong with the LCMS. Here's a woman who has literally spent every single day of her life in service to her church, and yet she is so deathly afraid of dying. Frightfully scared to non-death of it. And that is because even though her entire life she's believed in what the church tells her about God, she's never been shown one single shred of it being true or having any power. Just the opposite, she's been told repeatedly that such things are not for her. And so she believes, but doesn't know, and she will suffer as long and as hard as humanly possible in total fear of taking the step to meet the God she has strived to meet all her life. It's insanity if you ask me. A church imposed insanity.

The LCMS depowers otherwise good and faithful servants of the Lord. It doesn't affect their salvation (maybe), but it does affect their ability to produce faith, good works, and fruit according to the Spirit. Cessationalism is a lie of the devil, intended to thwart those very things. And it angers me to see otherwise good saints caught up in the lie. I pray that you be freed of it.

Matthew 13:58 And He did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.

A church should teach faith, not exclusion.

I basically lived grew up in a lutheran church and i can vouch for what you say. They hold on to Lutheranism and not to Christ. Claiming we are LUTHERANS, therefore are not of Christ. Why not replace the liturgy with awesome Praise and Worship, just like what David did? God moves mightly in that

And their leaders just like the pharisees, i can not denie that some of the gospel they preach has truth in it, but NOT all, and a little poison in a drink? will you drink it? I wont.!!.

Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
The Lord saying that we can learn something from them. not everything, we should be able to rightly divide the word of TRUTH, get the junk out, accept the Bread that was sent from heaven.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Telling people do this, and do that, while they themselves fail to do them. Even if they tried to carry peoples burdens, they cant!!. Thats' the Lords job, and if they do not believe that GOD can use them in mighty ways through His Holy Spirit, how could they?

Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Mat 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

If they are not serving GOD in SPIRIT, then they are serving him in the flesh, and that is? obviously acknowledged by MAN and not GOD.
How can they escape the Judgement of GOD? Having built foundations that many hold on to blindly, and many die in that sin.

Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

How can they enter into the Kingdom of Heaven when they have denied the works of the Holy Spirit? And How can the Holy Spirit work in them when they want to remain behind the veil.....

I hope they come to the knowledge of truth..

Hillsong To know your name

The precious blood of Jesus Christ redeems
Forgiven I'm alive, restored set free
Your Majesty resides inside of me
Forever I believe, forever I believe


Arrested by Your truth and righteousness
Your grace has overwhelmed my brokenness
Convicted by Your spirit, led by Your word
Your love will never fail, Your love will never fail


To know You gave the world
Your only son for us
To know Your name
To live within the Saviors love


And He took my place
Knowing He'd be crucified
And You loved, You loved
For people undeserving
 

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I cannot avoid seeing what is in front of me, pasted into responses, therefore hear this, unless you have experienced our Father's speaking to you directly, do not speak for the experience of others.

Unless our Father has told you He does not manifest Himself in this manner to some, please, just be quiet about what you do not know, and admit you do not know.

Cut the nonsense today, and do not try to dictate how the Lord has come to each person. There are many experiences I have not been blessed with, many gifts too, but this is not cause for me to demand others not believe.

This demand may only stem from intellectualism in the place of faith or simply no faith.

Grow in faith, believe Yeshua, trust Him only, worship Him, love Him, and remain in Him always. Do not listen to resentful and jealous people, listen to our Lord. You cannot go wrong doing this.
 
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You said calvinists were nazis. errsingleoneofdem
No, I may have said Calvinism has parts of nazisim in it, but, again, quit getting off topic, jimdig, YOU said I called you a 'nazi,' which I NEVER have. :)
2 Cor 13:11-12 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. Greet one another with an holy kiss.

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Yes indeed. Their blinders will come off from believing the poison you & your little group have been have been dispensing on myself & other good people on this site because we're Pentecostals & Charismatics. They will see the true fruits of your labor & understand for themselves. I have confidence that they will, for God is faithful to them, to reveal to them the truth. I am not in the least intimidated by you or ANY of your group. And for good reason:
2 Timothy 1:7 (KJV) [SUP]7 [/SUP]For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
You missed the point of what I am saying and I doubt you will ever get it. I have seen way too many like you. I have no love for hypocrisy. You rail against the very things you yourself do but yet you continue to not see it. That does make one a hypocrite. Either you can take it heart or can continue to refuse to see it,it's your choice.
 
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Yes indeed. Their blinders will come off from believing the poison you & your little group have been have been dispensing on myself & other good people on this site because we're Pentecostals & Charismatics. They will see the true fruits of your labor & understand for themselves. I have confidence that they will, for God is faithful to them, to reveal to them the truth. I am not in the least intimidated by you or ANY of your group. And for good reason:
2 Timothy 1:7 (KJV) [SUP]7 [/SUP]For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
And the sad part is you as pastor,a leader,one who is suppose to preach the Word,either can not or will not heed Jesus warnings to the leaders of His day about them teaching others and not doing the very thing they teach on. He called them fools,blind guides,white washed tombs full of dead men's bones,vipers,sons of the devil. How about Paul's warnings when calls them false teachers? The warnings are quite clear about leaders who do continue to do such things. Are you one of those? Or will will see the error of your ways and repent of these things or will you continue on?