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“In 1976, Dr. Jonas Salk, creator of the killed-virus vaccine used in the 1950s, testified that the live-virus vaccine (used almost exclusively in the U.S. from the early 1960s to 2000) was the ‘principal if not sole cause’ of all reported polio cases in the U.S. since 1961 [44]. (The virus remains in the throat for one to two weeks and in the feces for up to two months. Thus, vaccine recipients are at risk, and can potentially spread the disease, as long as fecal excretion of the virus continues [45].) In 1992, the Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published an admission that the live-virus vaccine had become the dominant cause of polio in the United States [36]. In fact, according to CDC figures, every case of polio in the U.S. since 1979 was caused by the oral polio vaccine [36]. Authorities claim the vaccine was responsible for about eight cases of polio every year [46]. However, an independent study that analyzed the government’s own vaccine database during a recent period of less than five years uncovered 13,641 reports of adverse events following use of the oral polio vaccine. These reports included 6,364 emergency room visits and 540 deaths (Figure 3) [47,48]. Public outrage at these tragedies became the impetus for removing the oral polio vaccine from immunization schedules [36:568;37;38].”
http://www.thinktwice.com/Polio.pdf
anyway....i've wasted enough time this morning.
go get 5 million shots - good luck.
my husband got his yummy shots in UK as a kid - he died a gruesome death - courtesy the SV40
see ya.
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In 1960, it was determined that the rhesus monkey kidney cells used to prepare the poliovirus vaccines were infected with the SV40 virus (Simian Virus-40).[56] SV40 was also discovered in 1960 and is a naturally occurring virus that infects monkeys.
In 1961, SV40 was found to cause tumors in rodents.[57] More recently, the virus was found in certain forms of cancer in humans, for instance brain and bone tumors, pleural and peritoneal mesothelioma, and some types of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.
[58][59] However, it has not been determined that SV40 causes these cancers.[60] < YA RIGHT.
SV40 was found to be present in stocks of the injected form of the polio vaccine (IPV) in use between 1955 to 1963.[56] It is not found in the OPV form.[56] Over 98 million Americans received one or more doses of polio vaccine between 1955 to 1963 when a proportion of vaccine was contaminated with SV40;
it has been estimated that 10–30 million Americans may have received a dose of vaccine contaminated with SV40.[56]
Later analysis suggested that vaccines produced by the former Soviet bloc countries until 1980, and used in the USSR, China, Japan, and several African countries, may have been contaminated; meaning
hundreds of millions more may have been exposed to SV40.[61]
Polio vaccine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ha?
if you like these ingredients, by all means get your fill:
The Campaign for Ethical Vaccines and Medicines
Purpose
1) To petition the vaccine manufacturers to produce safe, effective alternatives for Rubella/MMR, Hepatitis-A and Chickenpox that are not derived from or cultivated on aborted fetal tissue.
Campaign Overview
goodbye.
I don't know what the US is like, and I am sorry about your husband, but I'm just pointing out the facts. 1 out of over 800,000 kids in the UK got Guillan Barre in a timeframe that, at the extremes of delayed onset, could have been triggered by the vaccine. But there are staggering odds against the H1N1 vaccine being the cause. Four children predisposed to narcolepsy had it triggered possibly by the vaccine but equally possibly by another virus.
I've had the polio injection. I was fine. My whole family has had it. Everyone I know would have had it. I've never even seen anyone with polio before.
Most vaccines can be grown in animal tissue or in eggs. Certainly, the MMR is, at least here. Any viruses that require human cells to grow are grown in cultivated human cells without consciousness. We lose thousands of cells every day, some of those cells may be used for vaccine production. People donate cells.
The only truth in this abortion claim is that two 'lines' of cells (they are called lines because they are taken from very old samples and they continue their mitosis on and on and on) were taken from abortions performed in the sixties.
The way I see it, I can understand the moral issue there. Were they required abortions or were they chosen abortions? I would assume they were required, considering that abortion-by-choice was illegal in 30 states the US in the sixties.
I also see it another way. If someone needed a heart transplant from a murder victim, is it immoral for the transplant recipient to take the heart? These lines come from over 50 years ago.
The term 'cultivated on aborted foetal tissue' isn't really fair. It gives the image that this is an ongoing, regular thing. That abortions happen regularly and doctors grow viruses on the tissue and it keeps on happening. That isn't the case.
oh so now you know about the human tissue.
earlier it was all good and safe - just eggs.
isn't really fair? listen....you've just stated in this post what your morality is.
which is exactly what i expected re: your shilling: Michel Chossudovsky. < he's the one lacking empathy?
let us take this to the 'conspiracy' forum.
open a thread : zone & XYZ discussion...something like that.
we can get to know each other better....
and see i was just almost at the point where i believed that if you crossed the republican elephant with the democratic donkey(hybrid) the offspring would be lizard people,,,,but now I'm not sure
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jimmydiggs
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Elephants and donkeys are already lizard people. It just makes more lizard people who use their kamoflawge to look like something else.
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Anonimous
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Hi A
I could be wrong but I think making a joke at the expense of others is not the Christian thing to do,
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unclefester
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updated 7/20/2009 10:47:22 AM ET
ATLANTA — The last time the government embarked on a major vaccine campaign against a new swine flu, thousands filed claims contending they suffered side effects from the shots. This time, the government has already taken steps to head that off.
Vaccine makers and federal officials will be immune from lawsuits that result from any new swine flu vaccine, under a document signed by Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius, government health officials said Friday.
Since the 1980s, the government has protected vaccine makers against lawsuits over the use of childhood vaccines. Instead, a federal court handles claims and decides who will be paid from a special fund.
Thousands filed claims after 1976 campaign
Federal officials vaccinated 40 million Americans during a national campaign. A pandemic never materialized, but thousands who got the shots filed injury claims, saying they suffered a paralyzing condition called Guillain-Barre Syndrome or other side effects.
"The government paid out quite a bit of money," said Stephen Sugarman, a law professor who specializes in product liability at the University of California at Berkeley.
Legal immunity set for swine flu vaccine makers - Health - Cold and flu - Swine flu | NBC News
Swine flu vaccine can trigger narcolepsy, UK government concedes
Review of fresh evidence finds jab given to 6 million people in Britain can occasionally cause sleep disorder
Ian Sample, science correspondent
The Guardian, Thursday 19 September 2013 19.32 BST
Swine flu vaccine can trigger narcolepsy, UK government concedes | Society | The Guardian
your own govt concedes the jabs cause harmful "disorders" that have no known cure.
so, you looked at the books....like just NOW
that's an odd thing to say.
interesting.
My family's last flu shots were roughly 20 years ago .... after my wife suffered a brief paralysis and had to send our then 4 year old daughter to summon our next door neighbour for help. Couldn't move a muscle while laying on the bathroom floor. True story. Within 10 - 15 minutes or so, she started coming out of it. Never again have we had the flu shot. And never will.
So everyone in america was polled?
I wasn't.
Now, we have a very interesting fact; that numbers were created.
From what, I don't know.
By whom? I don't know.
But one thing is of a surety, the table of 'stats.' was re-posted as being fact.
- Let no Lizard lead you.
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tdrew777
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There is a margin of error - the statistical assumptions made are quite valid. The predicted number of Americans is legitimate.
I checked in out on snipes, so everything must be true.
I checked in out on snipes, so everything must be true.
i rather enjoy the "poles,surveys,ect." as the modern news presents them. now not to defend,deny,endorse ect. any of the poles or opinions i just as i said find them fascinating to follow. I'll give an example(not supporting or condemning either position on the matter),,,
a few years(fueled by elections) it was pointed out by,(poles,surveys ect.) that the state of Texas was the leading state having people in prison and on death row executions ect.,,,so living in the state of Texas i thought wow!,i didn't know that.,,,so i went on the www to read about it.
now this is what i found,there are 50 states(some do not have the death penalty,some do),,,Texas as we know is a very large state(square miles and population),if it is compared as one state among 50 it does have more prisoners,executions ect.,,,,but on the other hand,,,
if you take the same land mass and the same population of other states in the union that are together the same size(together and population) at times you will have 6,7,states added together to have a same comparison to size and population then in actuality these states added together have more prisoners and executions.
now we know though that if these poles,studies ect. are being presented by the given news agencies and their intention is to fuel elections,laws being passed ect. well it's at times better for the certain news agencies to present the poles,studies ect. that best support their certain views,and so it's apparent they do.
i think one of my favorite studies was presented by the f.d.a. on the long term effects of aspartame Aspartame - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia lol,,,so according to the facts the f.d.a. studies ect. given by "them themselves" it(aspartame) was approved to be put into the mass food supply in 1981. and so 10 years later is 1991,20 later is,2001 ect.
now to approve this "long term study" we would need to have human beings who (actually consumed this for a long period of time),,,so if it was put into our food supply (approved in 1981 by f.d.a.),,,so they began these studies, on people (to so that they could approve it) on people who had never eaten it. that is the only mass of people who ate it ate it between the years (1981-2013) so the population who ate it over the last 22 years are actually "the long term study",,,
but whose interested in aspartame anyway?,,,well it's known now after the real studies that aspartame is the most addictive drug known to man,but that it is only a mild narcotic(does not induce a strong drunken effect),but if introduced into any food or drink will cause you to crave the product,you will even though you just consumed it an hour or so before,you will crave it,go to the stores,dig through your cabinets ect. till you find it and eat it again and again.well Donald Rumsfeld is the largest shareholder,
the interesting part of this that i found is the different names aspartame is listed under on the product ingredients on things (it's in almost everything),,,strangest thing Ive seen it in is the nicotine patch used to quit smoking,why?it is also(and not required to be listed on tobacco products) added to any tobacco product. so heads up to any church support group trying to help members quit smoking or using tobacco products. that is aspartame is more addictive than nicotine so you will not be successful without understanding you are trying to help them quit one drug then the other. i after looking at the nicotine patch and it's price said to (someone) seems like sprinkling snuff in your shoe and not wearing a sock would absorb through your skin just as well and cheaper than the nicotine patch,,,maybe not but if it does work we could trace a shoe cushion out on bologna and put it in our shoe and lose weight.,,,if any of you do try it,please send me the results of the study "i like studies and poles,lol",,,,,
a few years(fueled by elections) it was pointed out by,(poles,surveys ect.) that the state of Texas was the leading state having people in prison and on death row executions ect.,,,so living in the state of Texas i thought wow!,i didn't know that.,,,so i went on the www to read about it.
now this is what i found,there are 50 states(some do not have the death penalty,some do),,,Texas as we know is a very large state(square miles and population),if it is compared as one state among 50 it does have more prisoners,executions ect.,,,,but on the other hand,,,
if you take the same land mass and the same population of other states in the union that are together the same size(together and population) at times you will have 6,7,states added together to have a same comparison to size and population then in actuality these states added together have more prisoners and executions.
now we know though that if these poles,studies ect. are being presented by the given news agencies and their intention is to fuel elections,laws being passed ect. well it's at times better for the certain news agencies to present the poles,studies ect. that best support their certain views,and so it's apparent they do.
i think one of my favorite studies was presented by the f.d.a. on the long term effects of aspartame Aspartame - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia lol,,,so according to the facts the f.d.a. studies ect. given by "them themselves" it(aspartame) was approved to be put into the mass food supply in 1981. and so 10 years later is 1991,20 later is,2001 ect.
now to approve this "long term study" we would need to have human beings who (actually consumed this for a long period of time),,,so if it was put into our food supply (approved in 1981 by f.d.a.),,,so they began these studies, on people (to so that they could approve it) on people who had never eaten it. that is the only mass of people who ate it ate it between the years (1981-2013) so the population who ate it over the last 22 years are actually "the long term study",,,
but whose interested in aspartame anyway?,,,well it's known now after the real studies that aspartame is the most addictive drug known to man,but that it is only a mild narcotic(does not induce a strong drunken effect),but if introduced into any food or drink will cause you to crave the product,you will even though you just consumed it an hour or so before,you will crave it,go to the stores,dig through your cabinets ect. till you find it and eat it again and again.well Donald Rumsfeld is the largest shareholder,
the interesting part of this that i found is the different names aspartame is listed under on the product ingredients on things (it's in almost everything),,,strangest thing Ive seen it in is the nicotine patch used to quit smoking,why?it is also(and not required to be listed on tobacco products) added to any tobacco product. so heads up to any church support group trying to help members quit smoking or using tobacco products. that is aspartame is more addictive than nicotine so you will not be successful without understanding you are trying to help them quit one drug then the other. i after looking at the nicotine patch and it's price said to (someone) seems like sprinkling snuff in your shoe and not wearing a sock would absorb through your skin just as well and cheaper than the nicotine patch,,,maybe not but if it does work we could trace a shoe cushion out on bologna and put it in our shoe and lose weight.,,,if any of you do try it,please send me the results of the study "i like studies and poles,lol",,,,,
Yea, the copyright ran out on aspartame.
So now it is 'natural flavors'.
Because it is actually made by bacteria, thus 'natural'.
I won't sicken you with the details, suffice it to say there is a tremendous amount of bleach involved.
So now it is 'natural flavors'.
Because it is actually made by bacteria, thus 'natural'.
I won't sicken you with the details, suffice it to say there is a tremendous amount of bleach involved.
This poll was based on 1274 participants. The ratio of this number is approximately 1: 300,000 (based on a 1000). So perhaps 1 American was interviewed for every 300, 000 Americans who were not. There are 300 million people in America (300, 0000, 000). 1% of US folk is 3000,000 (3 million). So at this point 99% of Americans were not interviewed. O.01 % of Americans is 30,000, so at this stage 99.99% of the US population was not interviewed. 0.0001 % is 300. So, 1274 Americans is about 0.0004 % of the US population. So, overall, 99.9996% of the entire US population was not interviewed. To get remotely close to a fair sample size it would take at least a 100, 000 Americans made up of about 2000 folks from each of 50 US States. Therein there was a massive sample error.
yep they are valid polls,but only reflect a selected portion in favor of "some stance or position",,,it's like getting up and trying to watch the news in the mornings "good morning America",,,"today" ect. after about the first 10 minutes i mute the t.v. and just read the headlines going across the bottom of the t.v.,,,,after i read them then comes the other 45 or so minutes of the show i call it the "high dollar commercial for dancing with the stars",,sometimes they throw in who got voted off American idol or the voice,,,i'm curious if the news now does the long drawn-out commercial for dancing with the stars at some point will dancing with the stars put a news feed running across the bottom of the screen while that shows on?,,,either way seems like were still stuck with researching the news for ourselves on the www,,,
and you know speaking about poles and studies ect. and then thinking about all the things we've talked about on the thread i wonder if we worded it just right what the statistics would be that is,,,,
most of the world think the scientist doctors ect. are the most intelligent people on the planet. now evolutionist,scientist,ect. for the most part believe the world to be billions of years old and mankind maybe millions. now they as educated men think that the plants,animals,man ect. has evolved as they put it,and for all the better is the way they consider it.(now as Christians i know we don't see it the same,but),,,if they actually believe creation worked hand in hand for all these years just what do they think will happen if they modify it? lets say there are 100,000 so called intelligent scientist that have made all of the "franken-things",g.m.o.,man made drugs,hybrids ect.
then as intelligent people(as they are perceived) shouldn't they realize that by statistics using the same methods they use in the other poles that the chances are 1/100,000 that what they are changing will take a planet and all life that they believe by nature has existed for billions of years and destroy it?,,,you know just looking at the probabilities,i mean if they believe the things they say they do then if they just leave it alone it should continue on for billions of more years,but if they change it they reduced it's odds of existing,,,i mean they say of their own selves they are intelligent people i wonder what the poles would reflect if we ask them this?,,,,,as for me i never saw what was wrong with gods "good old food supply",,,,
most of the world think the scientist doctors ect. are the most intelligent people on the planet. now evolutionist,scientist,ect. for the most part believe the world to be billions of years old and mankind maybe millions. now they as educated men think that the plants,animals,man ect. has evolved as they put it,and for all the better is the way they consider it.(now as Christians i know we don't see it the same,but),,,if they actually believe creation worked hand in hand for all these years just what do they think will happen if they modify it? lets say there are 100,000 so called intelligent scientist that have made all of the "franken-things",g.m.o.,man made drugs,hybrids ect.
then as intelligent people(as they are perceived) shouldn't they realize that by statistics using the same methods they use in the other poles that the chances are 1/100,000 that what they are changing will take a planet and all life that they believe by nature has existed for billions of years and destroy it?,,,you know just looking at the probabilities,i mean if they believe the things they say they do then if they just leave it alone it should continue on for billions of more years,but if they change it they reduced it's odds of existing,,,i mean they say of their own selves they are intelligent people i wonder what the poles would reflect if we ask them this?,,,,,as for me i never saw what was wrong with gods "good old food supply",,,,
It is only valid for those who took part and answered the conspiracy theory questions. 12% of 1274 = 153 Americans, not 45 million!! Therefore it is statistically non-significant....or in normal speak....not valid! I think Americans need to go back to Math class if they think 1274 persons' interviews represents, or is a valid test for, a 45 million population (15% of entire US population).
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tdrew777
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The sample size is valid. The error term is big because the sample size is small. The results are likely correct (if the sample was taken correctly, which is questionable), within the specified error term.
Common sense says 40 odd million Americans are not likely to believe in lizard people never mind actually running government. The average of this sample is not known. The average of the US population is not known. The further away the sample average to the US population the higher the standard error would be. Standard error relates to standard deviation. The standard deviation relates to how close or far the scores are close to the average (or, the mean).