The Original Pentecostal Movement
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Why single out just the Pentecostals on this?
I know several in different Protestant denominations, and even Lutherans and Catholics, who say they Believe in Jesus and live a lifestyle that is completely counter to what one would expect, once they have truly repented.
Baptists and other protestant denominations proclaim eternal security, yet each Sunday thousands of them, across the country flock, to the invitation call, to "re-dedicate" their lives back to Jesus and go right back to living in the world.
Stop painting with a narrow brush, that somehow this is just a Pentecostal issue. Churches of every denomination have non believers filling the pews. In Fact many protestant and even some Lutheran churches refuse to preach Jesus Christ and him crucified, and risen again. They won't preach that without the shedding of Blood there is no remission of sin, they teach God and his love and thousands sit on pews each Sunday morning, believing they have salvation, but have been lied to, because of timidity from the pulpit and the refusal to preach the word.
We are told to be born again and is just not the forgiveness of sins....and then whoop D Do! I can go right back to living any way I want to.........God's love for you will carry you straight to the gates of Hell. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Repentance is not forgiveness they are 2 very, very different things. Yet thousands are told that Jesus forgives you and that' all they need. Wrong, the person must repent and be born again. Born again is total and complete regeneration of the old man and a new man is created.
Until you truly repent and surrender your life and let Jesus become Lord over your life, nothing changes.
Stop making this out to be only be a Pentecostal issue....I find it very interesting that out of all denominations today, The Pentecostal/Full Gospel/Spirit Filled Denominations are the only ones that seem to have church Sunday AM/PM and have a mid week service. I live near one of the greatest Bible towns in the World( Tulsa OK) and you are hard pressed to find a Sunday Evening service being held for Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Episcopalian's, Presbyterian's, Church of Christ, etc.
Why do people walk away? Because many that go into any kind of church today, looking for true love and acceptance, do not see any difference between the world and true agape love and church people truly walking as Jesus did.
Besides its kinda hard to save the lost and disciple them when the church doors are only open on Sunday morning, and the First Church of the Frigidaire had to be out and to lunch by 11am-Noon and are spoon fed lots of skim milk and diet cookies of theology and not the meat of the word.
Its very hard for the world to believe in the stories of Jesus when thousands state yeah that was good for him and the Jews/Gentiles and the Apostles, but those things ceased when the Bible came along.
You have yees but you refuse to see and ears but refuse to hear.
I know several in different Protestant denominations, and even Lutherans and Catholics, who say they Believe in Jesus and live a lifestyle that is completely counter to what one would expect, once they have truly repented.
Baptists and other protestant denominations proclaim eternal security, yet each Sunday thousands of them, across the country flock, to the invitation call, to "re-dedicate" their lives back to Jesus and go right back to living in the world.
Stop painting with a narrow brush, that somehow this is just a Pentecostal issue. Churches of every denomination have non believers filling the pews. In Fact many protestant and even some Lutheran churches refuse to preach Jesus Christ and him crucified, and risen again. They won't preach that without the shedding of Blood there is no remission of sin, they teach God and his love and thousands sit on pews each Sunday morning, believing they have salvation, but have been lied to, because of timidity from the pulpit and the refusal to preach the word.
We are told to be born again and is just not the forgiveness of sins....and then whoop D Do! I can go right back to living any way I want to.........God's love for you will carry you straight to the gates of Hell. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Repentance is not forgiveness they are 2 very, very different things. Yet thousands are told that Jesus forgives you and that' all they need. Wrong, the person must repent and be born again. Born again is total and complete regeneration of the old man and a new man is created.
Until you truly repent and surrender your life and let Jesus become Lord over your life, nothing changes.
Stop making this out to be only be a Pentecostal issue....I find it very interesting that out of all denominations today, The Pentecostal/Full Gospel/Spirit Filled Denominations are the only ones that seem to have church Sunday AM/PM and have a mid week service. I live near one of the greatest Bible towns in the World( Tulsa OK) and you are hard pressed to find a Sunday Evening service being held for Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Episcopalian's, Presbyterian's, Church of Christ, etc.
Why do people walk away? Because many that go into any kind of church today, looking for true love and acceptance, do not see any difference between the world and true agape love and church people truly walking as Jesus did.
Besides its kinda hard to save the lost and disciple them when the church doors are only open on Sunday morning, and the First Church of the Frigidaire had to be out and to lunch by 11am-Noon and are spoon fed lots of skim milk and diet cookies of theology and not the meat of the word.
Its very hard for the world to believe in the stories of Jesus when thousands state yeah that was good for him and the Jews/Gentiles and the Apostles, but those things ceased when the Bible came along.
You have yees but you refuse to see and ears but refuse to hear.
Oh yeah, Angela, now the three of you are getting somewhere! Using a BLOG, The New York Times, a Lutheran pastor that is also a psychic, & a KJV onlyist as accurate sources for church history so you can condemn several entire christian movements, including revivals.
This is the claim:
What is really taking place is what this brother quoted, & boy did he hit the nail on the head!
Angela, you Sarah & zone have done every thing you can to condemn these movements & correct & judge those who believe in them.
3 women, 2 Lutherns & 1 Baptist, all of which vehemently believe that a woman isn't supposed to reprove, teach, preach, or rebuke a man based on their own beliefs have all through multiple threads in this forum taught, reproved, rebuked, judged, & condemned men using the scriptures.
Now as authorities, they are once again doing this to condemn revivals & movements from the mid 1700's & foward. These women, sinning against their own beliefs, are by the definition of their own beliefs, playing the hypocrite. They say, & do not.
Matthew 7:1-5 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Judge not, that ye be not judged. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? [SUP]5 [/SUP]Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Don't even THINK of using the excuse "this isn't the church", For the true church is the Body of Christ, & many members of Christ's body are members of CC.
Matthew 25:40 (KJV) [SUP]40 [/SUP]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
This is the claim:
note:
this thread is to examine what has been called the Original Pentecostal Movement.
this Original Pentecostal Movement, some say, was God-ordained and intended as growth for the church...if i understand the argument correctly.
it needs to be determined what was The Original Pentecostal Movement? - there appear to be varying histories and accounts.
this thread is not for arguments - but for rational; reasonable discussion and fact-finding.
the claims and doctrines of this Original Pentecostal Movement would need to align with what The Bible says.
the goal is to determine if the Original Pentecostal Movement was orthodox in its understanding of the biblical Gospel; and was sound in doctrine generally. and what has it evolved into today, if at all.
the practices and claims, as well as doctrines will hopefully be confirmed by Scripture, and/or by objective verification.
please don't take part if only to drive-by without some substantive contribution.
thank you
this thread is to examine what has been called the Original Pentecostal Movement.
this Original Pentecostal Movement, some say, was God-ordained and intended as growth for the church...if i understand the argument correctly.
it needs to be determined what was The Original Pentecostal Movement? - there appear to be varying histories and accounts.
this thread is not for arguments - but for rational; reasonable discussion and fact-finding.
the claims and doctrines of this Original Pentecostal Movement would need to align with what The Bible says.
the goal is to determine if the Original Pentecostal Movement was orthodox in its understanding of the biblical Gospel; and was sound in doctrine generally. and what has it evolved into today, if at all.
the practices and claims, as well as doctrines will hopefully be confirmed by Scripture, and/or by objective verification.
please don't take part if only to drive-by without some substantive contribution.
thank you
Angela, you Sarah & zone have done every thing you can to condemn these movements & correct & judge those who believe in them.
3 women, 2 Lutherns & 1 Baptist, all of which vehemently believe that a woman isn't supposed to reprove, teach, preach, or rebuke a man based on their own beliefs have all through multiple threads in this forum taught, reproved, rebuked, judged, & condemned men using the scriptures.
Now as authorities, they are once again doing this to condemn revivals & movements from the mid 1700's & foward. These women, sinning against their own beliefs, are by the definition of their own beliefs, playing the hypocrite. They say, & do not.
Matthew 7:1-5 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Judge not, that ye be not judged. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? [SUP]5 [/SUP]Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Don't even THINK of using the excuse "this isn't the church", For the true church is the Body of Christ, & many members of Christ's body are members of CC.
Matthew 25:40 (KJV) [SUP]40 [/SUP]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Sorry Stephen,
The passage is talking about the headship leadership in the congregation. Paul never ever says that men only are to rebuke men, or that women are to only women,nor can you find that Jesus ever said that either. You can't find it and it's NOT THERE. That is totally and wholly your spin on it. Exhortation and correction has been given to the whole body and the Bible never ever basis it on the gender of the person.
The passage is talking about the headship leadership in the congregation. Paul never ever says that men only are to rebuke men, or that women are to only women,nor can you find that Jesus ever said that either. You can't find it and it's NOT THERE. That is totally and wholly your spin on it. Exhortation and correction has been given to the whole body and the Bible never ever basis it on the gender of the person.
True, but in testing the spirits, John emphasized greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world as I take that to mean any believer feeling a spirit coming over them with a sensational sign in the flesh long after they have come to Jesus & believed in Him, then that was not the real Holy Spirit, but seducing spirits seeking to take their eyes off of the Son in worship to go chasing after them for a sign, even a sign of tongues which comes with no interpretation as one that speaks as the world speaks and hears as the world hears because that kind of supernatural tongue that comes with no intepretation, but babbling nonsense is of the world as found in the occult, world's religions, and cults in christianity.
The native American Indians testified about being drunk with alcohol as reminding them that it was like communing with the Great Spirit. They would dance & chant till the Great Spirit came and fell on them, and apparently, in relations to alcohol, they become drunk in the "Spirit".
When I refer to manifestations of Azusa, I was referring to drunkards and stoners exchaning one sensations in the flesh for a spiritual sensations but still in the flesh. It is not of God, nor will it ever can be. This is why the commandment of His invitations always points to the Son in coming to God the Father IN spirit & IN truth in worshipping Him: as in filled and saved. Not OUT of the spirit & APART from the truth that they would be like the foolish virgins going out to the market to be filled again and again and again. Some movements of the "Spirit" refers to this phenomenon as being "drunk in the Spirit".
This phenomenon had occured even back in Israel days.
Proverbs 25:[SUP]26 [/SUP]A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. [SUP]27 [/SUP]It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. [SUP]28 [/SUP]He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.
So I question the manifestations because they sought them by addressing the Spirit directly for this phenomenon to occur, going around Jesus Christ and His sole invitation on how God the Father wants us to come to Him so as to avoid seducing spirits that are in the world.
John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
The native American Indians testified about being drunk with alcohol as reminding them that it was like communing with the Great Spirit. They would dance & chant till the Great Spirit came and fell on them, and apparently, in relations to alcohol, they become drunk in the "Spirit".
When I refer to manifestations of Azusa, I was referring to drunkards and stoners exchaning one sensations in the flesh for a spiritual sensations but still in the flesh. It is not of God, nor will it ever can be. This is why the commandment of His invitations always points to the Son in coming to God the Father IN spirit & IN truth in worshipping Him: as in filled and saved. Not OUT of the spirit & APART from the truth that they would be like the foolish virgins going out to the market to be filled again and again and again. Some movements of the "Spirit" refers to this phenomenon as being "drunk in the Spirit".
This phenomenon had occured even back in Israel days.
Proverbs 25:[SUP]26 [/SUP]A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. [SUP]27 [/SUP]It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. [SUP]28 [/SUP]He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.
So I question the manifestations because they sought them by addressing the Spirit directly for this phenomenon to occur, going around Jesus Christ and His sole invitation on how God the Father wants us to come to Him so as to avoid seducing spirits that are in the world.
John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
T
Stephen63,
The sad part is not the foolishness they instigated, but that Sarah, Zone and the others never even attempted to have any discourse, but instead felt the need to just propagate the obvious and then lumped us in the mixed, when we won't join in their witch hunt and denounce the obvious with them.
It's par for the course and no big deal to me, let them eat cake and have it too.
The sad part is not the foolishness they instigated, but that Sarah, Zone and the others never even attempted to have any discourse, but instead felt the need to just propagate the obvious and then lumped us in the mixed, when we won't join in their witch hunt and denounce the obvious with them.
It's par for the course and no big deal to me, let them eat cake and have it too.
Again, I was not inferring that they are not believers in Jesus Christ for going back to the bars, but I was referring to the reason why the converts converted as if it was for a different "high" like one stoner said "I used to get high on drugs but now I get high on the Lord." Sort of like exchanging a sensation in the flesh for another, but when the supernatural goes away, they go back to the source that gives them the same sensation in the flesh from before. I can't say that is the sole reason for going back to the bars, but the conditions of their conversions is circumspect as to why they had returned.
The native American Indians testified about being drunk with alcohol as reminding them that it was like communing with the Great Spirit. They would dance & chant till the Great Spirit came and fell on them, and apparently, in relations to alcohol, they become drunk in the "Spirit".
When I refer to manifestations of Azusa, I was referring to drunkards and stoners exchaning one sensations in the flesh for a spiritual sensations but still in the flesh. It is not of God, nor will it ever can be. This is why the commandment of His invitations always points to the Son in coming to God the Father IN spirit & IN truth in worshipping Him: as in filled and saved. Not OUT of the spirit & APART from the truth that they would be like the foolish virgins going out to the market to be filled again and again and again. Some movements of the "Spirit" refers to this phenomenon as being "drunk in the Spirit".
This phenomenon had occured even back in Israel days.
Proverbs 25:[SUP]26 [/SUP]A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. [SUP]27 [/SUP]It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. [SUP]28 [/SUP]He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.
So I question the manifestations because they sought them by addressing the Spirit directly for this phenomenon to occur, going around Jesus Christ and His sole invitation on how God the Father wants us to come to Him so as to avoid seducing spirits that are in the world.
John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Incidentally, anyone that believes in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God raised Him from the dead are saved, even if they stopped believing in Him for whatever the reason other than not being rooted in the word in learning of Him to be abiding in Him as His disciple. What we build on that foundation will be judged as every believer having His seal should look to the author & finisher of our faith to depart from inqiuity to be ready By Him before the Bridegroom comes at the pre trib rapture.
The native American Indians testified about being drunk with alcohol as reminding them that it was like communing with the Great Spirit. They would dance & chant till the Great Spirit came and fell on them, and apparently, in relations to alcohol, they become drunk in the "Spirit".
When I refer to manifestations of Azusa, I was referring to drunkards and stoners exchaning one sensations in the flesh for a spiritual sensations but still in the flesh. It is not of God, nor will it ever can be. This is why the commandment of His invitations always points to the Son in coming to God the Father IN spirit & IN truth in worshipping Him: as in filled and saved. Not OUT of the spirit & APART from the truth that they would be like the foolish virgins going out to the market to be filled again and again and again. Some movements of the "Spirit" refers to this phenomenon as being "drunk in the Spirit".
This phenomenon had occured even back in Israel days.
Proverbs 25:[SUP]26 [/SUP]A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. [SUP]27 [/SUP]It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. [SUP]28 [/SUP]He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.
So I question the manifestations because they sought them by addressing the Spirit directly for this phenomenon to occur, going around Jesus Christ and His sole invitation on how God the Father wants us to come to Him so as to avoid seducing spirits that are in the world.
John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Incidentally, anyone that believes in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God raised Him from the dead are saved, even if they stopped believing in Him for whatever the reason other than not being rooted in the word in learning of Him to be abiding in Him as His disciple. What we build on that foundation will be judged as every believer having His seal should look to the author & finisher of our faith to depart from inqiuity to be ready By Him before the Bridegroom comes at the pre trib rapture.
Per Matthew 7:1-5 reference, if a believer was judging another movement of the "Spirit" as not of God, and yet the same rudiment is employed when in regards to their movement of the "Spirit", which is by addressing the Holy Spirit in prayer & worship to come & fall on them or visit them for a sensational sign in the flesh, then they are a hypocrite.
The church at Thyatira is still a part of the body of Christ in Revelation but they were committing spiritual fornication which they needed to repent of or risk being cast into the bed of the great tribulation. They are still In His House even though left behind from attenind the Marriage Supper. There will be weeping & gnashing of teeth, but God will wipe the tears away from their eyes when He returns with the raptured saints at the end of the great tribulation and after defeating Satan & his armies...then they will be resurrected while the rest of the dead will be resurrected later on.
As for Matthew 25:40 : seeing a believer thirsty and hungering for more of God only because they are chasing seducing spirits after a sign in the flesh, I would feed them by telling the least of my brethren that when they were first saved, they were filled when they came to and believed in Jesus Christ and the reason why they were thirsting and hungering now is because they are not chasing after Him but the spirits of the antichrists. His promise was that we would never thirst or hunger, thus proving that these movements of the "Spirit" are not of Him at all.
Matthew 5:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
John 6:[SUP]35 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
So all those that believe in Him are saved... but not every believer will be found abiding in His words as His disciples to be found ready as the chosen to attend the Marriage Supper when the Bridegroom comes.
Those left behind will be the result of that day when God judges the works built on that foundation as wood, stubble, and hay, but yet they are still His as a vessel unto dishonour in His House.
The church at Thyatira is still a part of the body of Christ in Revelation but they were committing spiritual fornication which they needed to repent of or risk being cast into the bed of the great tribulation. They are still In His House even though left behind from attenind the Marriage Supper. There will be weeping & gnashing of teeth, but God will wipe the tears away from their eyes when He returns with the raptured saints at the end of the great tribulation and after defeating Satan & his armies...then they will be resurrected while the rest of the dead will be resurrected later on.
As for Matthew 25:40 : seeing a believer thirsty and hungering for more of God only because they are chasing seducing spirits after a sign in the flesh, I would feed them by telling the least of my brethren that when they were first saved, they were filled when they came to and believed in Jesus Christ and the reason why they were thirsting and hungering now is because they are not chasing after Him but the spirits of the antichrists. His promise was that we would never thirst or hunger, thus proving that these movements of the "Spirit" are not of Him at all.
Matthew 5:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
John 6:[SUP]35 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
So all those that believe in Him are saved... but not every believer will be found abiding in His words as His disciples to be found ready as the chosen to attend the Marriage Supper when the Bridegroom comes.
Those left behind will be the result of that day when God judges the works built on that foundation as wood, stubble, and hay, but yet they are still His as a vessel unto dishonour in His House.
T
Sarah,
Find me a catholic, Lutheran, protestant and especially baptist church today where a woman is going to attempt or get away with Exhorting or correcting a man?
Baptist men love their womenfolk, silent, barefoot and pregnant and in gingham and calico neck to ankle bone dresses or the ever so popular coolots and saying yes sir/no sir and serving them in every little way imaginable and that women better never walk in front of him or side by side and you better never do anything in church but sing and teach Sunday school.
Why is confusion abounding in your life?
Find me a catholic, Lutheran, protestant and especially baptist church today where a woman is going to attempt or get away with Exhorting or correcting a man?
Baptist men love their womenfolk, silent, barefoot and pregnant and in gingham and calico neck to ankle bone dresses or the ever so popular coolots and saying yes sir/no sir and serving them in every little way imaginable and that women better never walk in front of him or side by side and you better never do anything in church but sing and teach Sunday school.
Why is confusion abounding in your life?
S
in reality I am very apostolic however i do not consider myself under any of mans doctrine or theology. I believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit from what i have studied in the Word. I am more then happy to sit with you and discuss my understanding and beliefs on the gifts as well as the authority that we have in professing the name of Jesus today in spiritual warfare and deliverance ministry if you so wish. you can pm me for more information if you would like.
as Far as the Original movement is concerned most apostolic churches relate back to the book of Acts chapter 2 when the Holy Spirit filled the apostles and hundreds more on the day of Pentacost. hope that helps.
My best advice, if you want to know what God says about anything then go to His Word.
as Far as the Original movement is concerned most apostolic churches relate back to the book of Acts chapter 2 when the Holy Spirit filled the apostles and hundreds more on the day of Pentacost. hope that helps.
My best advice, if you want to know what God says about anything then go to His Word.
this is a serious question.
reading stuff by prominent leaders and whatnot, primarily i guess in the wackier end of the charismatic arena it would be hard to know anything about Christ Crucified.
how many times does a lost sinner get to hear the saving Gospel?
what is the Gospel?
is it signs and wonders and unknown noises? is that what i place my faith in?
that since i have learned to "do" those things it means i'm saved?
Galatians 6:14
May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
Romans 10
The Word Brings Salvation
16However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, "LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?" 17So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. 18But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have; "THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH, AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD."
reading stuff by prominent leaders and whatnot, primarily i guess in the wackier end of the charismatic arena it would be hard to know anything about Christ Crucified.
how many times does a lost sinner get to hear the saving Gospel?
what is the Gospel?
is it signs and wonders and unknown noises? is that what i place my faith in?
that since i have learned to "do" those things it means i'm saved?
Galatians 6:14
May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
Romans 10
The Word Brings Salvation
16However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, "LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?" 17So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. 18But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have; "THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH, AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD."
right. originally seeking real languages.
the this-is-LIKE-that (Acts 2) gap theory. which morphed into latter-rainy stuff.
...
premillennialism strikes again.
a. Dispensationalism was largely popularized through the Scofield Reference Bible, and is now represented, for example, by the notes in the Ryrie Study Bible. Hal Lindsey's book, The Late Great Planet Earth served to keep the movement in the mainstream of Evangelicalism in the late 60's and early 70's.
The vast majority of the early Charismatic movement was dispensational in its orientation even though most dispensationalists emphasized that charismata ceased with the completion of the New Testament.
As the Charismatic movement has matured and become more consistent in its own theology, dispensationalism has largely been jettisoned. Because of this, and because of the resurgence of questions of ethics (the dispensationalist cannot efficiently use his OT to answer ethical questions) dispensationalism is apparently on the decline.
b. Leading dispensational theologians include John Walvoord, Charles Ryrie, J. Dwight Pentecost, Norman Geisler and Charles Feinberg. Popular dispensational pastors and writers include; Charles Swindoll, Dave Hunt, Jack Van Impe and Charles Stan Chuck Smith and the Calvary Chapel movement represent the Charismatic side of dispensationalism.
Eschatology Chart
the this-is-LIKE-that (Acts 2) gap theory. which morphed into latter-rainy stuff.
...
premillennialism strikes again.
a. Dispensationalism was largely popularized through the Scofield Reference Bible, and is now represented, for example, by the notes in the Ryrie Study Bible. Hal Lindsey's book, The Late Great Planet Earth served to keep the movement in the mainstream of Evangelicalism in the late 60's and early 70's.
The vast majority of the early Charismatic movement was dispensational in its orientation even though most dispensationalists emphasized that charismata ceased with the completion of the New Testament.
As the Charismatic movement has matured and become more consistent in its own theology, dispensationalism has largely been jettisoned. Because of this, and because of the resurgence of questions of ethics (the dispensationalist cannot efficiently use his OT to answer ethical questions) dispensationalism is apparently on the decline.
b. Leading dispensational theologians include John Walvoord, Charles Ryrie, J. Dwight Pentecost, Norman Geisler and Charles Feinberg. Popular dispensational pastors and writers include; Charles Swindoll, Dave Hunt, Jack Van Impe and Charles Stan Chuck Smith and the Calvary Chapel movement represent the Charismatic side of dispensationalism.
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that's the thing, there i guess.
God talks to Todd Bentley - why not me?
testify to special encounters with God....
mmmm.....like
why? why the need to do this?
God talks to Todd Bentley - why not me?
testify to special encounters with God....
mmmm.....like
why? why the need to do this?
Why not sign up for a missions trip where you will be placed in the position of actually preaching, teaching, praying and ministering with the local people.
Leave behind all your wisdom and just go..
Be prepared to pray for people face to face, lead them to Jesus, and be used however Jesus wants you to be used. This wont be hospital or orphanage visits or handing out food and candy or building a new church building.
This will be one on one ministry and working the prayer lines at the end of nightly services at the churches you will be going to. During the day you will partner up with another minister and do street evangelism in the towns square, again leading people to Jesus and praying for them. The Local churches, regardless of denomination will be assisting you, so understanding and being literate in Spanish is not required for the trip, since they can translate for you.
I must warn you though, the local witches and warlocks get a little tiresome , as they attempt to cast spells/curses on you, as you lead people to Jesus. Don't let them rattle your nerves or scare you out of the country,when they come at you with their witchcraft, because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
The real evil you have be careful of are the Black magic witch doctors, their magic is strong and can cause you great fear, but Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee where ever you go?.
Oh and the mothers that bring their kids to you, that are blind, lame or sick with disease, they don't have the money or ability to go see the doctors who are very far and few between and if they did were told to take home those kids to die.
Stop crying for them and telling them there is nothing you can do for them and you are feel sorry for them. The mothers bringing their kids to you understand that when my missionary friends come into their town and with help, that Jesus is in the house. They bring you their children for divine healing , because if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Or in simple terms for your mind, these people know Jesus is alive in you and can help them, and no the witch doctors, who by now will be plotting how to "mark" you in your sleep in the attempts to scare you out of the country, which usually happens to all you that believe in cessation.
I have seen it far too many times. Sadly it ends badly for you kinds of believers, it is often times so traumatic for you, that you give up on your faith altogether, because you will not lower your pride
Let me know if this is something you wish to do and I am sure me or others could find a missions trip for you.
- Secondly, people were seeking a restoration of the "full" gospel. (desiring holiness and more converts)
which turned into:
- reforming existing theology to develop what it saw to be the “full" gospel.
which was covered earlier - some 'development' of Pneumatology into....what was it...(?) a Charismatic Sacramentalism ?
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Several months ago, the mini-Expositor commented on the interview reported in Christianity Today (October 28, 1992), with popular TV evangelist and pastor of Orlando Christian Center, Benny Hinn. When Mr. Hinn produced his best selling book "Good Morning Holy Spirit", he suddenly came under scrutiny of scholars and discernment ministries. Several heretical teachings were detected and the publishers, Thomas Nelson, reprinted a second edition with some of the major heresies changed.
Benny Hinn
my faith is not in myself.
or gifts.
its in what Jesus Christ The LORD has done.
trauma? oh yes, i know it.
The_highwayman....you don't know anything about me.
why don't you address the issues in the thread?
the author of the article sarah posted, which i am reading, is a Pentecostal who is able, and willing, to discern and speak about what he clearly sees is wrong....not just what is right.
don't you agree with anything he is saying?
you, are apparently not willing (or able?) to examine your own beliefs and practices.
that's on you.
consequently, i would ask you to start your own thread about a subject that interests you.
or gifts.
its in what Jesus Christ The LORD has done.
trauma? oh yes, i know it.
The_highwayman....you don't know anything about me.
why don't you address the issues in the thread?
the author of the article sarah posted, which i am reading, is a Pentecostal who is able, and willing, to discern and speak about what he clearly sees is wrong....not just what is right.
don't you agree with anything he is saying?
you, are apparently not willing (or able?) to examine your own beliefs and practices.
that's on you.
consequently, i would ask you to start your own thread about a subject that interests you.
note:
this thread is to examine what has been called the Original Pentecostal Movement.
this Original Pentecostal Movement, some say, was God-ordained and intended as growth for the church...if i understand the argument correctly.
it needs to be determined what was The Original Pentecostal Movement? - there appear to be varying histories and accounts.
this thread is not for arguments - but for rational; reasonable discussion and fact-finding.
the claims and doctrines of this Original Pentecostal Movement would need to align with what The Bible says.
the goal is to determine if the Original Pentecostal Movement was orthodox in its understanding of the biblical Gospel; and was sound in doctrine generally. and what has it evolved into today, if at all.
the practices and claims, as well as doctrines will hopefully be confirmed by Scripture, and/or by objective verification.
please don't take part if only to drive-by without some substantive contribution.
thank you
this thread is to examine what has been called the Original Pentecostal Movement.
this Original Pentecostal Movement, some say, was God-ordained and intended as growth for the church...if i understand the argument correctly.
it needs to be determined what was The Original Pentecostal Movement? - there appear to be varying histories and accounts.
this thread is not for arguments - but for rational; reasonable discussion and fact-finding.
the claims and doctrines of this Original Pentecostal Movement would need to align with what The Bible says.
the goal is to determine if the Original Pentecostal Movement was orthodox in its understanding of the biblical Gospel; and was sound in doctrine generally. and what has it evolved into today, if at all.
the practices and claims, as well as doctrines will hopefully be confirmed by Scripture, and/or by objective verification.
please don't take part if only to drive-by without some substantive contribution.
thank you
Isa_52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.