The Original Pentecostal Movement

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RickShafer

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Those healings are small frye.
C'mon!
And mormons,....really....mormons speaking in tongues? (Well since they are an offshoot of masonry I guess anythings possible)
You denigrate the gifts openly.
You say you are testing spirits but you do no such thing.
You find occasion, or third hand report to confirm your own heart.
- Just as some did passing nonchalantly the Lord's crucifiction: "He saved others, himself he cannot save".
 
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RickShafer said:
The original pentecostal movement started exactly fifty days after the Savior returned to the Father.
- (I know this is hard for some to believe).
It's gifts never ended, - -BECAUSE THE COMFORTER NEVER STOPPED COMFORTING.
Anyone who says the Holy Spirit stopped dealing with souls the way It did when Jesus sent it is religious. - (Taken with liturgy and rationalism over the substance of the soul; which is the mind, will, and emotions).
- - So much like the Sanhedrin you are religious to the core.
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UMM Sorry Rick,

Acts and Pentecost were a transition time. Can't leave that out. Can't leave out the fact that even those who founded the modern Pentecostal movement believed that the gifts were being RESTORED. You would be hard pressed to find those at that time who said they continued.

To say that some within the churches that are liturgical don't have emotions in their worship is wrong. (You haven't met my mom)
 
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Listen Sarah, don't you know the nature of mankind?
Of course they all think they are the genesis of 'some new thing'.
But the gifts never ceased, the Bible is implicit in that fact(I Cor.12 &13), also the book of the acts of the apostles never ended.(Read the end)
As for your mom, - - - -God bless her for worshiping God with her whole soul. (Mind, will, and emotions)
 
SarahM777

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RickShafer said:
Those healings are small frye.
C'mon!
And mormons,....really....mormons speaking in tongues? (Well since they are an offshoot of masonry I guess anythings possible)
You denigrate the gifts openly.
You say you are testing spirits but you do no such thing.
You find occasion, or third hand report to confirm your own heart.
- Just as some did passing nonchalantly the Lord's crucifiction: "He saved others, himself he cannot save".
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Sorry Rick,

The miracles that Jesus did were so mind blowing,you can NOT explain it any other way that they were done by the power of God. When has any other person fed 5,000 people from a boy's lunch? Are the healing's that are done today on that same level? Or in many cases are they based on SUBJECTIVE observation? Jesus left NO ROOM FOR THE SUBJECTIVE and neither did the disciples.

Check Mormon history,they make those claims.
 
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Sorry Sarah,
You are a muddled, puddle of doubt.
You do have a form of godliness, yet deny the power thereof.
You say you deny the gifts, so you deny the gift of healings.
You say you deny the gifts of the Holy Spirit, so you deny miracles.
As for the scope, (or dynamic), what is that to you since you deny it?
I mean, logically you know you could never see it. (Since, as the childhood home of Jesus, you deny it).
Don't worry about proofs. They don't happen. Miracles are never proofs.
Healings are never for proof. Words of wisdom are never, ever proofs.
Sit tight in your abridged form of religion. (It suits you well)
 
SarahM777

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RickShafer said:
Those healings are small frye.
C'mon!
And mormons,....really....mormons speaking in tongues? (Well since they are an offshoot of masonry I guess anythings possible)
You denigrate the gifts openly.
You say you are testing spirits but you do no such thing.
You find occasion, or third hand report to confirm your own heart.
- Just as some did passing nonchalantly the Lord's crucifiction: "He saved others, himself he cannot save".
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Be very careful there,I am not sure you are aware that Charles Parham the man whom most claim who is the father of the modern Pentecostalism during the time he founded his theology was a member of the KKK and the Freemason's. His wife Sarah made the statement that it wasn't till some time after Azusa street that he quit the Mason's. So the question is then how deep was his roots in the Mason's? That is an unknown but there are ties. It is known on one of his trips in 1928 he brought back a gavel from Israel and presented it to one of the lodges in Topeka,KS.
 
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RickShafer said:
Sorry Sarah,
You are a muddled, puddle of doubt.
You do have a form of godliness, yet deny the power thereof.
You say you deny the gifts, so you deny the gift of healings.
You say you deny the gifts of the Holy Spirit, so you deny miracles.
As for the scope, (or dynamic), what is that to you since you deny it?
I mean, logically you know you could never see it. (Since, as the childhood home of Jesus, you deny it).
Don't worry about proofs. They don't happen. Miracles are never proofs.
Healings are never for proof. Words of wisdom are never, ever proofs.
Sit tight in your abridged form of religion. (It suits you well)
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Sorry Rick,

Again you are in error. I have seen what the Lord has brought me out of. He has given has given me the power to overcome temptations and sin. And again I never said ALL the gifts ceased. That is what you are claiming I said. I never did.

And again is not the evidence that the Holy Spirit is working in a believers life not the gifts BUT THE FRUITS of the Spirit and in every increasing measure? The fruits of the Spirit are what again? Doesn't Paul tell us that they are love,joy,
peace patience,goodness,kindness,gentleness,faithfulness and SELF CONTROL? Doesn't tell us that the mark of being His is love that we show one to another? And again doesn't John say if you know the Father you can not hate your brother and sister have seen,because if you do not love them you CAN NOT love the Father and the love of God is not in you.
Love is the EVIDENCE that the Holy Spirit is truly in a believer. No one can escape that. If we don't get THAT we have have NOTHING.
 
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Alright, this nonsense has gone on long enough - I'm Green this time.
SarahM777 said:
Be very careful there,I am not sure you are aware that Charles Parham the man whom most claim who is the father of the modern Pentecostalism during the time he founded his theology was a member of the KKK and the Freemason's.First, Parham was not a founder of anything, second, the claims you make are ridiculous and thereby superfluous. His wife Sarah made the statement that it wasn't till some time after Azusa street that he quit the Mason's.Parham had nothing to do with the Azusa Street Revival, his was in Topeka Kansas.So the question is then how deep was his roots in the Mason's? Here again, you strain at a knat and swallow a camel, Parham's vision (what he thought the revival in Topeka Kansas was for was because the end was so near that the outpouring of tongues was to speak the gospel in other languages because there was not time for the missionaries to learn them) - .....Now.....think ....would a white supremacist do that? That is an unknown but there are ties. It is known on one of his trips in 1928 he brought back a gavel from Israel and presented it to one of the lodges in Topeka,KS.
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Yea, and the disciples robbed Jesus' grave too!!! - Now, to what other lie will you foolishly adhere?
Honestly........
 
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UMM Sorry Rick,

Acts and Pentecost were a transition time. Can't leave that out. Can't leave out the fact that even those who founded the modern Pentecostal movement believed that the gifts were being RESTORED. You would be hard pressed to find those at that time who said they continued.

To say that some within the churches that are liturgical don't have emotions in their worship is wrong. (You haven't met my mom)
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one can easily defeat this. modern day gifts crap.

Jesus did not tell people to come to him so he could heal (in some church building) jesus went out to them in the streets.

the apostles did the same.

God started a new church, he went away from the litergal. He does not want that any more. That was for the jews. God wants a new kind of worship, and every day, every minute worship of praising him, and doiung his will. we worship him with out hearts. not with our religion.

if a church wants to prove gifts. do what they did, go to the hospitals and heal people. go to the drug and homeless shelters and heal people. this is what god did.
 
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RickShafer said:
Sorry Sarah,
You are a muddled, puddle of doubt.
You do have a form of godliness, yet deny the power thereof.
You say you deny the gifts, so you deny the gift of healings.
You say you deny the gifts of the Holy Spirit, so you deny miracles.
As for the scope, (or dynamic), what is that to you since you deny it?
I mean, logically you know you could never see it. (Since, as the childhood home of Jesus, you deny it).
Don't worry about proofs. They don't happen. Miracles are never proofs.
Healings are never for proof. Words of wisdom are never, ever proofs.
Sit tight in your abridged form of religion. (It suits you well)
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And again the sign that we were given is JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD. He is alive and well and ruling on His throne. The greatest miracles God stills does is taking men and women who hate Him,want nothing to do with Him,and with but nothing more then a child like faith in Jesus Christ transforms them into sons and daughters of the living God. Cleaning then and purifying them and then transforming them into the image of Christ. It's the simple message of the Gospel.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

one can easily defeat this. modern day gifts crap.

Jesus did not tell people to come to him so he could heal (in some church building) jesus went out to them in the streets.

the apostles did the same.

God started a new church, he went away from the litergal. He does not want that any more. That was for the jews. God wants a new kind of worship, and every day, every minute worship of praising him, and doiung his will. we worship him with out hearts. not with our religion.

if a church wants to prove gifts. do what they did, go to the hospitals and heal people. go to the drug and homeless shelters and heal people. this is what god did.
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By your use of the term 'crap' is enough to show your narrow mind.
Yet Jesus healed in the highways and byways, (in the streets); not some church.
- - Oh, but it's so easy to refute!
- - Keep chiding.....
 
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RickShafer said:
By your use of the term 'crap' is enough to show your narrow mind.
Yet Jesus healed in the highways and byways, (in the streets); not some church.
- - Oh, but it's so easy to refute!
- - Keep chiding.....
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narrow mind? these gift based churches have made a mockery of the church of God and his kingdom.

The spread confusion. The spread a false hope (most of the healing are fake and have been proven to be)

Lets see them go to the hopitals and heal people. Then you will see the work of God. But no. They wont.. why? They have no power.
 
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SarahM777 said:
And again the sign that we were given is JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD. He is alive and well and ruling on His throne. The greatest miracles God stills does is taking men and women who hate Him,want nothing to do with Him,and with but nothing more then a child like faith in Jesus Christ transforms them into sons and daughters of the living God. Cleaning then and purifying them and then transforming them into the image of Christ. It's the simple message of the Gospel.
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The greatest? So there are others.
You said so.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
narrow mind? these gift based churches have made a mockery of the church of God and his kingdom.

The spread confusion. The spread a false hope (most of the healing are fake and have been proven to be)

Lets see them go to the hopitals and heal people. Then you will see the work of God. But no. They wont.. why? They have no power.
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More about churches.
You seem to base your christian life experience on organizations, E.G.
- Oh Yea!!! It's total crap!!! Physician heal thyself!!!!!
- Be pleased to carry on.
 
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More about churches.
You seem to base your christian life experience on organizations, E.G.
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Organisations? lol you know nothing about me. I base my christian life on my every day walk with God. and the people I come into contact with, Pray with, And worship with outside of a building. The way the NT church did things.

- Oh Yea!!! It's total crap!!! Physician heal thyself!!!!!
- Be pleased to carry on.
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lol. mockery does not suit you very well.

I see your just like the rest of them. You think God only works in some temple we call the church. You have Gods hands tied. and you mock those who try to untie his hands.

Thanks.. Your true self shows through.
 
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RickShafer said:
The greatest? So there are others.
You said so.
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Where did I say that God didn't do miracles? Moses,Elijah,Elisha,Jesus and the disciples all did miracles. What I have and continue to keep saying is that what people call modern day miracles are not on the same level. Many are open to subjective observation. Shamans,Hindus and others including atheists have had cancers healed. Hindus,pagans and others speak in tongues. What is so hard to understand that there are a lot of FAKES and demonic activity in a lot of it when others who never make the claim of being Christian can do the very same thing? Shouldn't that tell us we need to be CAREFUL of what the source is? That is and what should be at the heart of this. Is it or is it not of the Lord when there is much that we KNOW for certain is NOT of the Lord?
 
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You base you everyday walk with God,....yet you judge others who base their everyday walk with God as being part of a circus.
Plain double standard.
At least have the decency to recognize that is what you do.

It would be like me saying:
"Oh, all those internet hermits are souls who were too aggravating for real churches; so they get on the internet to spout their dogmas that no assembly would abide."

Logic would make you admit it, but I know you won't. - (Gee, I wonder why?)
 
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And the other question that gets left out is Christ still in the center of all of this or did He get left on the wayside and people are seeking for the stuff God can give us and NOT Christ? Has He become more then a Santa Claus? Is He still the Way the Truth and Life? Is He still the good shepherd? Is He still the straight and narrow gate? Is He still the bread of life? Or has the focus shifted off of Him? Remember the Holy Spirit's work is to testify about Jesus and to convict the world of sin.
 
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Listen, the gifts were for the church (his body - not some assembly).
They still are for His body (not some assembly).
The Book of Acts never ended.
Neither is there a place, (or places), in the Holy Writ that announced the end of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
All the gifts are about ministering to the body(church) of Christ.
 
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