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Beautiful verse. For those who doubt the spirit speaks to us personally, there it is from the savior's mouth. Elijah heard it.
Same verses from the LXX, which Christ may have been referring to.
And he said, Thou shalt go forth to-morrow, and shalt stand before the Lord in the mount; behold, the Lord will pass by. And, behold, a great and strong wind rending the mountains, and crushing the rocks before the Lord; but the Lord was not in the wind; and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was not in the earthquake: and after the earthquake a fire; but the Lord was not in the fire: and after the fire the voice of a gentle breeze. 1 Kings 19:11-12
And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake: And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice. 1 Kings 19:11-12
Same verses from the LXX, which Christ may have been referring to.
And he said, Thou shalt go forth to-morrow, and shalt stand before the Lord in the mount; behold, the Lord will pass by. And, behold, a great and strong wind rending the mountains, and crushing the rocks before the Lord; but the Lord was not in the wind; and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was not in the earthquake: and after the earthquake a fire; but the Lord was not in the fire: and after the fire the voice of a gentle breeze. 1 Kings 19:11-12
One of my favorite Saints : Saint John Crisostom .
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh: and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
1. Great mysteries are they, of which the Only-begotten Son of God has counted us worthy; great, and such as we were not worthy of, but such as it was meet for Him to give. For if one reckon our desert, we were not only unworthy of the gift, but also liable to punishment and vengeance; but He, because He looked not to this, not only delivered us from punishment, but freely gave us a life much more bright than the first, introduced us into another world, made us another creature; "If any man be in Christ," says Paul, "he is a new creature." 2 Corinthians 5:17 What kind of "new creature"? Hear Christ Himself declare; "Unless a man be born of water and of the Spirit , he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God." Paradise was entrusted to us, and we were shown unworthy to dwell even there, yet He has exalted us to heaven. In the first things we were found unfaithful, and He has committed to us greater; we could not refrain from a single tree, and He has provided for us the delights above; we kept not our place in Paradise, and He has opened to us the doors of heaven. Well said Paul, "O the depth of the riches, both of the wisdom and knowledge of God!" Romans 11:33 There is no longer a mother, or pangs, or sleep, or coming together, and embracings of bodies; henceforth all the fabric of our nature is framed above, of the Holy Ghost and water. The water is employed, being made the Birth to him who is born; what the womb is to the embryo, the water is to the believer; for in the water he is fashioned and formed. At first it was said, "Let the waters bring forth the creeping things that have life" Genesis 1:20 , Septuagint; but from the time that the Lord entered the streams of Jordan, the water no longer gives forth the "creeping thing that has life," but reasonable and Spirit- bearing souls; and what has been said of the sun, that he is "as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber" Psalm 18:6 , we may now rather say of the faithful, for they send forth rays far brighter than he. That which is fashioned in the womb requires time, not so that in water, but all is done in a single moment. Here our life is perishable, and takes its origin from the decay of other bodies; that which is to be born comes slowly, (for such is the nature of bodies, they acquire perfection by time,) but it is not so with spiritual things. And why? Because the things made are formed perfect from the beginning.
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh: and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
1. Great mysteries are they, of which the Only-begotten Son of God has counted us worthy; great, and such as we were not worthy of, but such as it was meet for Him to give. For if one reckon our desert, we were not only unworthy of the gift, but also liable to punishment and vengeance; but He, because He looked not to this, not only delivered us from punishment, but freely gave us a life much more bright than the first, introduced us into another world, made us another creature; "If any man be in Christ," says Paul, "he is a new creature." 2 Corinthians 5:17 What kind of "new creature"? Hear Christ Himself declare; "Unless a man be born of water and of the Spirit , he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God." Paradise was entrusted to us, and we were shown unworthy to dwell even there, yet He has exalted us to heaven. In the first things we were found unfaithful, and He has committed to us greater; we could not refrain from a single tree, and He has provided for us the delights above; we kept not our place in Paradise, and He has opened to us the doors of heaven. Well said Paul, "O the depth of the riches, both of the wisdom and knowledge of God!" Romans 11:33 There is no longer a mother, or pangs, or sleep, or coming together, and embracings of bodies; henceforth all the fabric of our nature is framed above, of the Holy Ghost and water. The water is employed, being made the Birth to him who is born; what the womb is to the embryo, the water is to the believer; for in the water he is fashioned and formed. At first it was said, "Let the waters bring forth the creeping things that have life" Genesis 1:20 , Septuagint; but from the time that the Lord entered the streams of Jordan, the water no longer gives forth the "creeping thing that has life," but reasonable and Spirit- bearing souls; and what has been said of the sun, that he is "as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber" Psalm 18:6 , we may now rather say of the faithful, for they send forth rays far brighter than he. That which is fashioned in the womb requires time, not so that in water, but all is done in a single moment. Here our life is perishable, and takes its origin from the decay of other bodies; that which is to be born comes slowly, (for such is the nature of bodies, they acquire perfection by time,) but it is not so with spiritual things. And why? Because the things made are formed perfect from the beginning.
When Nicodemus still hearing these things was troubled, see how Christ partly opens to him the secret of this mystery, and makes that clear which was for a while obscure to him. "That which is born," says He, "of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." He leads him away from all the things of sense, and suffers him not vainly to pry into the mysteries revealed with his fleshly eyes; "We speak not," says He, "of flesh, but of Spirit, O Nicodemus ," (by this word He directs him heavenward for a while,) "seek then nothing relating to things of sense; never can the Spirit appear to those eyes, think not that the Spirit brings forth the flesh." "How then," perhaps one may ask, "was the Flesh of the Lord brought forth?" Not of the Spirit only, but of flesh; as Paul de clares, when he says, "Made of a woman , made under the Law" Galatians 4:4 ; for the Spirit fashioned Him not indeed out of nothing, (for what need was there then of a womb?) but from the flesh of a Virgin. How, I cannot explain unto you; yet it was done, that no one might suppose that what was born is alien to our nature. For if even when this has taken place there are some who disbelieve in such a birth, into what impiety would they not have fallen had He not partaken of the Virgin's flesh.
There seems to be a correlation to Ezekiel 36:25“Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26“Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27“I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.
What is it that Spirit does? It's linked to water and wind, water cleanses, wind refreshes, or brings new life. It seems that Jesus had some OT allusions in mind since He chided Nicodemus for not knowing this.
What is it that Spirit does? It's linked to water and wind, water cleanses, wind refreshes, or brings new life. It seems that Jesus had some OT allusions in mind since He chided Nicodemus for not knowing this.
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8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
It's hard to put into words what this verse really means but my view is that when we get saved, or "born again" or born of the spirit", it's when the Holy spirit speaks to the heart of the person being witnessed to and that person knows he has found the Truth and he'll think, 'This is it . This is what I've been looking for." He finds that pearl of great price and the truth has set him free.
And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
And, just like the wind, you won't be able to necessarily tell who a saved person is just by looking at him, because we're all basically look the same. The way to tell is when they open their mouth and start speaking.
6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
4:22 And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth.
4:13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
It's hard to put into words what this verse really means but my view is that when we get saved, or "born again" or born of the spirit", it's when the Holy spirit speaks to the heart of the person being witnessed to and that person knows he has found the Truth and he'll think, 'This is it . This is what I've been looking for." He finds that pearl of great price and the truth has set him free.
And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
And, just like the wind, you won't be able to necessarily tell who a saved person is just by looking at him, because we're all basically look the same. The way to tell is when they open their mouth and start speaking.
6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
4:22 And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth.
4:13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
Nic couldn't understand how someone could be born *a second time* because as far as he knew the only birth was the one of the flesh (from a woman). Christ says "don't worry about *how* this is possible", and then gives an example that it just IS, using the wind as an explanation.
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Stand outside and feel the wind blow on you...
Do you know from where the wind originated before it reached you? Do you know where the wind will end up after it leaves you?
No...but you *feel* it; you know you just experienced it.
It's the same with anyone born of the Spirit. Christ's explaining to Nic that you don't know how it happens, you don't know from where the Spirit originated or where the Spirit moves afterwards, but you know you *just* experienced a rebirth. The Spirit of God moves wherever he wants...sires whomever he wants...anoints/ordains whomever he wants (it's not by man's ordination or authority)...and blesses (give to) whomever he wants (however much he wants), because God does as he sees fit with what is his and all things are his.
Read the parable about the Workers in the Vineyard (Matthew 20:1-16) to further understand this aspect of God that Christ's explaining to Nicodemus.
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Stand outside and feel the wind blow on you...
Do you know from where the wind originated before it reached you? Do you know where the wind will end up after it leaves you?
No...but you *feel* it; you know you just experienced it.
It's the same with anyone born of the Spirit. Christ's explaining to Nic that you don't know how it happens, you don't know from where the Spirit originated or where the Spirit moves afterwards, but you know you *just* experienced a rebirth. The Spirit of God moves wherever he wants...sires whomever he wants...anoints/ordains whomever he wants (it's not by man's ordination or authority)...and blesses (give to) whomever he wants (however much he wants), because God does as he sees fit with what is his and all things are his.
Read the parable about the Workers in the Vineyard (Matthew 20:1-16) to further understand this aspect of God that Christ's explaining to Nicodemus.
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That is that we hear the Voice. The spirit descends and ascends. And we are satisfied with this, because it's early infancy.
"How" and "where", - says that the born again are STILL not able to follow the Spirit. And only receives power from Him. As a newborn infant who still blind, does not speak articulately, can't walk, doesn't understand what he hears, and much more to make and receive is NOT YET CAPABLE. Because the baby except: eat, drink, breathe, waving their arms, screaming more, because of his age, not able to do anything.
1Cor 13:11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.
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Heb 6:1a Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 5:13 for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child.
The main time of life of child it is a DREAM. He wakes up only when: hungry, thirsty, emptied.
It is in these moments he hears the voice of the parents. Yes, the potential life, but he has yet claimed in a series of circumstances which are open to man after he has learned to make their first steps. Here even no idea what it occurs in adolescence or youth.
Of course, the gifts of healing, grace are come and surely we can find grace whenever we need help.
But in the basis of essentially baby lies the root of the old nature, which grows in accordance with sips of water of life. Is a plant parasite. It grows and multiplies through juices main plants. But when a man is affected by a Word that begins to judge the sinful body of the flesh, then he has an opportunity to learn about the parasite and the ability to cut off its root and destroy the seeds and fruits.
Although this first way nobody claims. Infancy evaluates the faith through the forgiveness of sins for His name's sake (1John 2:12). Not more. But being born again carries a base which initially shows us the difference through the experience of His eternal nature.
But there is a danger to stay in the development of growth. This will strongly emphasize the flesh. It takes for itself the promise of the victory of the resurrection, of the Kingdom of God, but omits the preceding words about battles, sorrow, patience, etc, thus adjusting the personal comfort of the Word of God.
And if the spirit lulled by the cradle, then - as in this case, it happens - the affectionate went to their tombs, wait for the second coming.
Or, as Paul says:
1Cor 15:32 If from a human point of view I fought with wild beasts at Ephesus, what did it benefit me? If the dead are not raised, let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.
Thank you all for your input. I will consider each Some more tomorrow.
Consider how it is when you Witness to others of being born again, the wind example is wonderful. For the Messiah was talking and Nicodemus could hear, but he knew not from where the Messiah came nor where he would go. We know because we Believe.
Good night.
GOD be with you.
Consider how it is when you Witness to others of being born again, the wind example is wonderful. For the Messiah was talking and Nicodemus could hear, but he knew not from where the Messiah came nor where he would go. We know because we Believe.
Good night.
GOD be with you.
I am always reminded of Jesus as He came to the Apostles in the room where they were waiting on Him. One thing Jesus never did be fore He was risen, was to go through walls or closed doors..... The doors of the room where the men were gathered, were all closed (shut). Yet Jesus was there with them in their midst, IN BODY! The Bible gives no indication that they unshut the doors. Thomas was not with them on the first appearance.
So the others told Thomas about Jesus, and Jesus knew about this conversation, for the net time He again appeared through shut doors, he went straight to Thomas and said... THOMAS, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands, reach hither thy hand and thrust into my side.... Thomas answered, my Lord, my God....
But what I learned from this was.... Jesus told MAry NOT to touch Him for He has not ascended to Father YET... Then he says... Go to my brethren and say unto them.... I ascend unto my Father....Jesus new He would see them soon, so why tell them He will ascend, and tell Mary not to touch HIm? Did Jesus ascend to Father between seeing Mary and the brethren?
He certainly did, or maybe between when he was with them and when He appeared again 8 days later. But that is another discussion. Waht FORM was Jesus? He was in their midst without unshutting doors! And another two Scriptures comes to mind... Luke 24. Jesus gave the two Emmaus men bread and their eyes were OPENED, and they KNEW Him and HE VANISHED out of their sight... WOW!!! o these two men returned to Jerusalem and went to the others, and this is when Jesus appeared in their midst. Oh they were ALL terrified, and they thought they saw a spirit... and Jeus said a spirit has not flesh and bnes like I have... Yet the DOORS WERE SHUT....
Id this the possibility of FLESH AND BONES BE LIKE THE WIND? to even enter into rooms with shut doors, and VANISH out of sight? I believe people Born of Spirit is truly like the wind. Godly men need no cars, open doors or aircraft to be appearing where God ants them. If you had one experience like Jesus had with the Emmaus men and His brethren in the shut room, you would understand FULLY. God's men is NOT like humans. They are even nmore than ANGELS.... They are like the Jesus, resurrected. To His stature, fulness and measure. What Jesus did, THEY ALL DO! Even Today...
Proof? So you want proof? Ok is this enough proof? ..... Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
See how the whole subject comes together? Jesus said He will go to Father, we know He did, so HE IS THERE and STEPHEN SAW HIM THERE... so will the rest of the verse also be true? Will all who believe on Him do GREATER works because He is with the Father? YES IT IS TRUE... Even today!
Many people say miricles woul stop, and it would, but only when Jesus returns on the day of judgments. The LAST miricle for this World is the one where the one that died in Christ will be taken up to HIM. The last miricle is.... When we ascend to Father. And NO other miricles will be dome after that. NOT ONE! but till then, ALL the others are as available, as when Jesus said.... Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Nothing Jesus did for ANY of God's holy men, will He not do today for God's Holy men. NOTHING! Jesus is the same, yesterday, today and tomorrow.... HE and HIS Way NEVER changes.... Just BELIEVE ON HIM... That is the problem... How can miricles happen if you believe they CEASED... of is it just an excuse to hide your DISBELIEF?
God cannot lie...If you believe on Jesus you will do grater works than Him. PERIOD, No argument.
So the others told Thomas about Jesus, and Jesus knew about this conversation, for the net time He again appeared through shut doors, he went straight to Thomas and said... THOMAS, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands, reach hither thy hand and thrust into my side.... Thomas answered, my Lord, my God....
But what I learned from this was.... Jesus told MAry NOT to touch Him for He has not ascended to Father YET... Then he says... Go to my brethren and say unto them.... I ascend unto my Father....Jesus new He would see them soon, so why tell them He will ascend, and tell Mary not to touch HIm? Did Jesus ascend to Father between seeing Mary and the brethren?
He certainly did, or maybe between when he was with them and when He appeared again 8 days later. But that is another discussion. Waht FORM was Jesus? He was in their midst without unshutting doors! And another two Scriptures comes to mind... Luke 24. Jesus gave the two Emmaus men bread and their eyes were OPENED, and they KNEW Him and HE VANISHED out of their sight... WOW!!! o these two men returned to Jerusalem and went to the others, and this is when Jesus appeared in their midst. Oh they were ALL terrified, and they thought they saw a spirit... and Jeus said a spirit has not flesh and bnes like I have... Yet the DOORS WERE SHUT....
Id this the possibility of FLESH AND BONES BE LIKE THE WIND? to even enter into rooms with shut doors, and VANISH out of sight? I believe people Born of Spirit is truly like the wind. Godly men need no cars, open doors or aircraft to be appearing where God ants them. If you had one experience like Jesus had with the Emmaus men and His brethren in the shut room, you would understand FULLY. God's men is NOT like humans. They are even nmore than ANGELS.... They are like the Jesus, resurrected. To His stature, fulness and measure. What Jesus did, THEY ALL DO! Even Today...
Proof? So you want proof? Ok is this enough proof? ..... Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
See how the whole subject comes together? Jesus said He will go to Father, we know He did, so HE IS THERE and STEPHEN SAW HIM THERE... so will the rest of the verse also be true? Will all who believe on Him do GREATER works because He is with the Father? YES IT IS TRUE... Even today!
Many people say miricles woul stop, and it would, but only when Jesus returns on the day of judgments. The LAST miricle for this World is the one where the one that died in Christ will be taken up to HIM. The last miricle is.... When we ascend to Father. And NO other miricles will be dome after that. NOT ONE! but till then, ALL the others are as available, as when Jesus said.... Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Nothing Jesus did for ANY of God's holy men, will He not do today for God's Holy men. NOTHING! Jesus is the same, yesterday, today and tomorrow.... HE and HIS Way NEVER changes.... Just BELIEVE ON HIM... That is the problem... How can miricles happen if you believe they CEASED... of is it just an excuse to hide your DISBELIEF?
God cannot lie...If you believe on Jesus you will do grater works than Him. PERIOD, No argument.
John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
My understanding is that the wind blowing where it wills is analogous to the Holy Spirit giving spiritual life to whoever He wills. The effects of the wind can be observed (we hear the sound) but we can't determine its course, it is a mystery, likewise the life-changing effect of regeneration is noticeable but it is all the miraculous work of God by grace. Our dead spirit becomes alive in the process of the new birth (John 6:63; Ephesians 2:5; Titus 3:5).
My understanding is that the wind blowing where it wills is analogous to the Holy Spirit giving spiritual life to whoever He wills. The effects of the wind can be observed (we hear the sound) but we can't determine its course, it is a mystery, likewise the life-changing effect of regeneration is noticeable but it is all the miraculous work of God by grace. Our dead spirit becomes alive in the process of the new birth (John 6:63; Ephesians 2:5; Titus 3:5).
Other verses pertaining to the holy spirit moving about the earth (as a wind) giving life:
The eyes of the LORD move to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show Himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is whole toward Him. 2 Chronicles 16:9
... "These seven are the eyes of the LORD, which move through the whole earth." Zechariah 4:10
The Lamb has seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. revelation 5:6
The eyes of the LORD move to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show Himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is whole toward Him. 2 Chronicles 16:9
... "These seven are the eyes of the LORD, which move through the whole earth." Zechariah 4:10
The Lamb has seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. revelation 5:6
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Division on ... here is the list of e that everyone has his own ... is a sign of, first of all, leftovers of immaturity of consсiousness because there is no such thing in objective truth as division.
Col 3:10-11 and have been clothed with the new man that is being renewed in knowledge according to the image of the one who created it.
Here there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all and in all.
Col 3:10-11 and have been clothed with the new man that is being renewed in knowledge according to the image of the one who created it.
Here there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all and in all.
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We need also notice very important emphasis on what Jonh says about one's who's born of the Spirit. And that is: he don't know where the wind (the Spirit) is coming from and where the wind (the Spirit) is going.
Notice that the same John and Paul says very similar things:
John 15:15 No longer do I call you servants, for the *servant* does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you.
Gal 4:1-3 I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave, though he is the owner of everything, 2 but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3 In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world.
Notice that the same John and Paul says very similar things:
John 15:15 No longer do I call you servants, for the *servant* does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you.
Gal 4:1-3 I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave, though he is the owner of everything, 2 but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3 In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world.
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In our childhood we have experienced of joyfull from God reveild Himself to us
Acts 17:27-28 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Matt 9:15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.
That's where the problems with perception begin, partly related to the sometimes carefree childhood (cradle) being born again.
The desire to return the closest thing from the womb state of carefree childhood, dominates the desires that the child is not aware of the type reactions(own whims in the absence of the groom), which he also unconsciously inclined to believe the opposite of the will of God - attacks of Satan, which is partly true, but with one caveat: since it makes you act and think that the old nature, which afterwards must discover
Acts 17:27-28 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Matt 9:15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.
That's where the problems with perception begin, partly related to the sometimes carefree childhood (cradle) being born again.
The desire to return the closest thing from the womb state of carefree childhood, dominates the desires that the child is not aware of the type reactions(own whims in the absence of the groom), which he also unconsciously inclined to believe the opposite of the will of God - attacks of Satan, which is partly true, but with one caveat: since it makes you act and think that the old nature, which afterwards must discover
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