Christian Women Please Dress More Modestly
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Personally, I don't like bare torsos or short shorts or undergarments and these are the things that are posted on Facebook to no end...at least, they were until I weeded out my 'friend' garden. As a teen, I truly saw nothing wrong with swimming with other teens, both gals and guys...and in truth, I think that we don't want to get all insane and legalistic about that. I do like how my pastor, who now resides up north, once said: I don't want to see your wife in a swimsuit and I'm sure she doesn't want to see me in one.
I feel that way now. Does this mean that I don't swim in public pools? No. Of course, we're not talking about swimming, are we? We're talking about church.
So, no bare torsos and no baggy, saggy pants (ugh...so gross). Shirt and tie? If you want to. Shorts...I'm okay with those but I think that shorts shouldn't be worn in church, male or female. This is my opinion. Do I freak out if a man or woman show up in shorts to church? Nope. Do I freak out when a woman shows up in daisy duke/boy short underwear length shorts and heels to church? Yup. Would I freak out if a man did the same, sans heels of course? Yup. I think that shorts should be fitted to the leg (so that one can't see up the shorts to the hip, you know?), not skin tight, should be right above the knee or longer...should fit appropriately (not too tight or too loose) and should fit around the hips, with or without a belt. The whole peeking thing that is done in ads with men and pants/shorts, dropping them dangerously low and giving a hint of things, is just as tacky and obscene to me as seeing the top of thong underwear peeking out of a woman's shorts/pants.
I think I got a little off topic. Sorry.
I feel that way now. Does this mean that I don't swim in public pools? No. Of course, we're not talking about swimming, are we? We're talking about church.
So, no bare torsos and no baggy, saggy pants (ugh...so gross). Shirt and tie? If you want to. Shorts...I'm okay with those but I think that shorts shouldn't be worn in church, male or female. This is my opinion. Do I freak out if a man or woman show up in shorts to church? Nope. Do I freak out when a woman shows up in daisy duke/boy short underwear length shorts and heels to church? Yup. Would I freak out if a man did the same, sans heels of course? Yup. I think that shorts should be fitted to the leg (so that one can't see up the shorts to the hip, you know?), not skin tight, should be right above the knee or longer...should fit appropriately (not too tight or too loose) and should fit around the hips, with or without a belt. The whole peeking thing that is done in ads with men and pants/shorts, dropping them dangerously low and giving a hint of things, is just as tacky and obscene to me as seeing the top of thong underwear peeking out of a woman's shorts/pants.I think I got a little off topic.
Sorry.
C
Hiya!
you know that I totally understand where you are coming from but I think the keyword is moderation..
and modesty.
balance in other words.
While you don't look at women impurely.. not every man has that same ability..just like some can drink wine and not have an issue but others can..it's all in doing things out of love for others.
While I read a christian website that went ALL the way the other way and insisted women need to wear very loose dresses that are down almost to their ankles..which to me isn't teaching men anything about learning self control, I also don't believe a woman should walk around in short shorts with a bare midriff either without expecting to stir up some thing from men...
Men are visual whether they want to admit it or not and it's just not loving to dress immodestly around them imo.
however, modesty doesn't have to be gunny sacks and the like..
I do love all of your scriptures and your reasoning... much of it makes much sense..
Using the garden scenario doesn't work though..because Adam and Eve were clothed in God's glory and righteousness, man had not yet fallen but look at what they did firsT? they covered up.
We are still living in a cursed and fallen world so even if we are living for God, our flesh is still attached to us and cursed, otherwise a christian woman would never have pain in childbirth, a christian man would not need to toil the ground..
etc etc etc..
dressing modestly is not about pleasing God directly or earning brownie points..it's about not stumbling your brother..but like I said...some of it has to fall on the responsibility of the brother to have self control as well..
As far as someone coming from a corrupt mindset, I must say that there are some religions and denominations that do base their whole church around their own morality and not necessarily scriptural..
but here's the scripture I always fall back on as far as making my brother stumble with either my way of dressing or my behaviors towards and around them..
[h=3]Romans 14:13-23[/h]Living Bible (TLB)
13 So don’t criticize each other anymore. Try instead to live in such a way that you will never make your brother stumble by letting him see you doing something he thinks is wrong.
14 As for myself, I am perfectly sure on the authority of the Lord Jesus that there is nothing really wrong with eating meat that has been offered to idols. But if someone believes it is wrong, then he shouldn’t do it because for him it is wrong. 15 And if your brother is bothered by what you eat, you are not acting in love if you go ahead and eat it. Don’t let your eating ruin someone for whom Christ died. 16 Don’t do anything that will cause criticism against yourself even though you know that what you do is right.
17 For, after all, the important thing for us as Christians is not what we eat or drink but stirring up goodness and peace and joy from the Holy Spirit. 18 If you let Christ be Lord in these affairs, God will be glad; and so will others. 19 In this way aim for harmony in the church, and try to build each other up.
Dressing a certain way becomes about ourselves..so we should ask ourselves if the way we are dressing, acting or behaving is bringing glory to God?? or causing someone else to stumble? etc.. (and I don't mean offense, cause some people get offended over everything and sometimes you have to let things go)
We should live our lives not using our freedom for our own "rights" but loving others above our own wants and desires and ask God what HIS will is when it comes to how we dress, behave and treat others...
love and hugs!
you know that I totally understand where you are coming from but I think the keyword is moderation..
and modesty.
balance in other words.
While you don't look at women impurely.. not every man has that same ability..just like some can drink wine and not have an issue but others can..it's all in doing things out of love for others.
While I read a christian website that went ALL the way the other way and insisted women need to wear very loose dresses that are down almost to their ankles..which to me isn't teaching men anything about learning self control, I also don't believe a woman should walk around in short shorts with a bare midriff either without expecting to stir up some thing from men...
Men are visual whether they want to admit it or not and it's just not loving to dress immodestly around them imo.
however, modesty doesn't have to be gunny sacks and the like..
I do love all of your scriptures and your reasoning... much of it makes much sense..
Using the garden scenario doesn't work though..because Adam and Eve were clothed in God's glory and righteousness, man had not yet fallen but look at what they did firsT? they covered up.
We are still living in a cursed and fallen world so even if we are living for God, our flesh is still attached to us and cursed, otherwise a christian woman would never have pain in childbirth, a christian man would not need to toil the ground..
etc etc etc..
dressing modestly is not about pleasing God directly or earning brownie points..it's about not stumbling your brother..but like I said...some of it has to fall on the responsibility of the brother to have self control as well..
As far as someone coming from a corrupt mindset, I must say that there are some religions and denominations that do base their whole church around their own morality and not necessarily scriptural..
but here's the scripture I always fall back on as far as making my brother stumble with either my way of dressing or my behaviors towards and around them..
[h=3]Romans 14:13-23[/h]Living Bible (TLB)
13 So don’t criticize each other anymore. Try instead to live in such a way that you will never make your brother stumble by letting him see you doing something he thinks is wrong.
14 As for myself, I am perfectly sure on the authority of the Lord Jesus that there is nothing really wrong with eating meat that has been offered to idols. But if someone believes it is wrong, then he shouldn’t do it because for him it is wrong. 15 And if your brother is bothered by what you eat, you are not acting in love if you go ahead and eat it. Don’t let your eating ruin someone for whom Christ died. 16 Don’t do anything that will cause criticism against yourself even though you know that what you do is right.
17 For, after all, the important thing for us as Christians is not what we eat or drink but stirring up goodness and peace and joy from the Holy Spirit. 18 If you let Christ be Lord in these affairs, God will be glad; and so will others. 19 In this way aim for harmony in the church, and try to build each other up.
Dressing a certain way becomes about ourselves..so we should ask ourselves if the way we are dressing, acting or behaving is bringing glory to God?? or causing someone else to stumble? etc.. (and I don't mean offense, cause some people get offended over everything and sometimes you have to let things go)
We should live our lives not using our freedom for our own "rights" but loving others above our own wants and desires and ask God what HIS will is when it comes to how we dress, behave and treat others...
love and hugs!
S
Not if you wore another pair of pants over top of them.
I got tired of all the debating so I decided to post a tongue in cheek answer about cheeks, but since cheeks on your face aren't immodest (unless you have some really obscene tatoos on your face), that's all I could come up with.
But I think I may be on to something here. You really can dress however you want, as long as you wear something over top of the train wreck of immodesty.
I got tired of all the debating so I decided to post a tongue in cheek answer about cheeks, but since cheeks on your face aren't immodest (unless you have some really obscene tatoos on your face), that's all I could come up with.
But I think I may be on to something here. You really can dress however you want, as long as you wear something over top of the train wreck of immodesty.
In your corner, alternatively it is just terribly wrong for an established church community whether gentlemen or ladies to approach a younger lady or younger man, telling them to dress appropriately; it is equally just as bad to make continued stare or gossip about said younger people. We should not look down on ant person, if this is the case we have fallen below the reasonable Christian standard! Not all can afford to dress like movie stars to attend church. Besides, as Jesus would say, what is the point to have the outside of the cup clean but the insides festering. I would rather a young person came to church which has the effect of changing their life much more than I would have regard to their state of dress. Wearing tracksuits, jeans or whatever is better than not coming at all. We have a humble Jesus and must demonstrate a humble gospel!
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S
We're not saying you can't go in jeans, we're saying you can't go in jeans that are hanging down and exposing your butt crack.
Similarly, ladies can dress however they can afford, but if their lady parts are bulging out, it's not a good idea.
Strapless dresses were asked about a week or so ago. I'd have posted examples but I have brothers in Christ I do not wish to tempt.
The concept itself isn't even the issue, it's when someone screams "look at me, I have boobs", or "hey check out how insanely short this skirt is - Is you name Moses, because I have a burning bush?
Similarly, ladies can dress however they can afford, but if their lady parts are bulging out, it's not a good idea.
Strapless dresses were asked about a week or so ago. I'd have posted examples but I have brothers in Christ I do not wish to tempt.
The concept itself isn't even the issue, it's when someone screams "look at me, I have boobs", or "hey check out how insanely short this skirt is - Is you name Moses, because I have a burning bush?
No one said anything about dressing like a movie star. They are saying to dress modestly and, honestly, last time I checked, it costs less money to do the latter than the former.
Full outfit at WalMart (approx. $75):
Hottest Hollywood Fashion (approx. $2,300, and that's without the makeup, boots, jewelry and sunglasses):
Full outfit at WalMart (approx. $75):
Hottest Hollywood Fashion (approx. $2,300, and that's without the makeup, boots, jewelry and sunglasses):
I agree. The more immature the crowd, the more mature christians have to be careful not to promote sin for them.
Imagine the typical liberal church......... one that thinks its ok for the men to watch the Superbowl in the church basement, complete with sandwiches, chips, & can beer. Should a "proper", "modest" woman be in the midst of that?
What about the youth having a water party, & the girls wear tube tops & thin T-shirts?...... You know, the T-shirts that have WWJD on them?
I'm saying this to make a point....... Today's church as a whole doesn't have a clue what mature is....... they claim maturity yet won't pick up a bible & don't know how to pray. They fight at home & put on their smiles when they get to church. That's mature? If they are better versed on TV shows & worldly music than their Bibles, how do they know what modest even is? Some........ don't even know they're not saved....... that's the truth, folks. When sinners can point out our sins before we can, we need to consider more than our morals & modesty.
Imagine the typical liberal church......... one that thinks its ok for the men to watch the Superbowl in the church basement, complete with sandwiches, chips, & can beer. Should a "proper", "modest" woman be in the midst of that?
What about the youth having a water party, & the girls wear tube tops & thin T-shirts?...... You know, the T-shirts that have WWJD on them?
I'm saying this to make a point....... Today's church as a whole doesn't have a clue what mature is....... they claim maturity yet won't pick up a bible & don't know how to pray. They fight at home & put on their smiles when they get to church. That's mature? If they are better versed on TV shows & worldly music than their Bibles, how do they know what modest even is? Some........ don't even know they're not saved....... that's the truth, folks. When sinners can point out our sins before we can, we need to consider more than our morals & modesty.
C
The last man I heard preach blood plus nothing ended up in adultery after 20 years of marriage and dividing a church..
You are right, it's JESUS that sanctifies us..but that doesn't happen overnight..it happens to trials, temptations, and the infilling and indwelling of the Holy Spirit..
if people could become perfect overnight? there would be no need for growth or glory to glory maturity.
But saying it doesn't take works? Faith without works is dead faith..
works do not save us otherwise people could brag about their good works but true faith produces good works..right?
..and no we do not work so that we can earn grace..but we work out our salvation with fear and trembling
because we honor and glorify God in that way..
You are right, it's JESUS that sanctifies us..but that doesn't happen overnight..it happens to trials, temptations, and the infilling and indwelling of the Holy Spirit..
if people could become perfect overnight? there would be no need for growth or glory to glory maturity.
But saying it doesn't take works? Faith without works is dead faith..
works do not save us otherwise people could brag about their good works but true faith produces good works..right?
..and no we do not work so that we can earn grace..but we work out our salvation with fear and trembling
because we honor and glorify God in that way..
- Philippians 2:12
Dearest friends, when I was there with you, you were always so careful to follow my instructions. And now that I am away you must be even more careful to do the good things that result from being saved, obeying God with deep reverence, shrinking back from all that might displease him.
Philippians 2:11-13
So you see PleasingGod is a good thing.. living to please God is a good thing..
and for those of us who understand that we should want to please our Father just because we love Him...
living a life that is geared towards loving others and living to not stumble anyone is the most important part of being here..
I will repeat
THIS LIFE IS NOT ABOUT US! it's all about HIM and others..
S
Dude that is so inappropriate and so hilariously funny that I feel really guilty laughing as I read it.
And the 2300 dollar outfit... well that just confirms Miley has no brains left in her head.
As for my snarky comment... I'm just calling it like I see it. That and venting a bit of frustration as every time one of these threads gets started someone inevitably comes to the aid of those who would wish to dress immodestly. And on the back side of it, I think the reason a lot of people do it (men included) is to try and attract a mate. Except, it's attracting the wrong kind of person.
I loved how Lisa Bevere put it. She basically said something along the lines of:
So, you want me to tell you that you can dress immodestly? Sure. Go ahead and dress like a whore, if you want to attract a whoremonger.
Yeah. I think that they do it for the attention, primarily, too, and not just to get a guy/girl, but to actually be talked about and cause a stir. That's why Miley does what she does. She wants to shake her good girl/Hannah Montana image and so she's out there letting the media and agents use her and destroy her until she can't be used that way anymore, then she'll be old news. Think about Madonna. How much of a stir did she cause? Now she's a mother and has stated that there are things she won't let her daughter do or wear, things she, herself, was fine with at a younger age.
I am one of those "side of caution" kind of folks. If there is a hint of immorality, if there is the slightest chance my clothes are too revealing, low-cut, tight, etc., then it isn't an option. I'd rather be seen as a prude and know that I'm doing my best to be pure and holy than to take a chance to be compromised. Just saying.
It's also a proven fact that a scantily-clad body is more arousing to a man than a full naked body. Why? It is the imagination, the prospect of what could be that leads to lustful fantasies and such. I am not saying to walk around naked, but when you consider that showing just enough thigh to let the man's mind move upward, well, you're helping him commit adultery in his mind.
There is much that can be debated about modesty and purity and the like, but wouldn't we rather lean toward the extreme side of caution than the extreme side of the world? I mean, if you're going to be on the fence, would you lean more toward Christ, so that you could fall, safely, into His arms or would you lean more toward the world's side, where you'll dash your face against the pavement, as no one will be there to catch you?
It is better that you're not on the fence at all, but I think we all are on the fence with some Christian issue versus the world that we don't quite know which way is the real way, due to filters and such.
And now I am done rambling.
So, you want me to tell you that you can dress immodestly? Sure. Go ahead and dress like a whore, if you want to attract a whoremonger.
Yeah. I think that they do it for the attention, primarily, too, and not just to get a guy/girl, but to actually be talked about and cause a stir. That's why Miley does what she does. She wants to shake her good girl/Hannah Montana image and so she's out there letting the media and agents use her and destroy her until she can't be used that way anymore, then she'll be old news. Think about Madonna. How much of a stir did she cause? Now she's a mother and has stated that there are things she won't let her daughter do or wear, things she, herself, was fine with at a younger age.
I am one of those "side of caution" kind of folks. If there is a hint of immorality, if there is the slightest chance my clothes are too revealing, low-cut, tight, etc., then it isn't an option. I'd rather be seen as a prude and know that I'm doing my best to be pure and holy than to take a chance to be compromised. Just saying.
It's also a proven fact that a scantily-clad body is more arousing to a man than a full naked body. Why? It is the imagination, the prospect of what could be that leads to lustful fantasies and such. I am not saying to walk around naked, but when you consider that showing just enough thigh to let the man's mind move upward, well, you're helping him commit adultery in his mind.
There is much that can be debated about modesty and purity and the like, but wouldn't we rather lean toward the extreme side of caution than the extreme side of the world? I mean, if you're going to be on the fence, would you lean more toward Christ, so that you could fall, safely, into His arms or would you lean more toward the world's side, where you'll dash your face against the pavement, as no one will be there to catch you?
It is better that you're not on the fence at all, but I think we all are on the fence with some Christian issue versus the world that we don't quite know which way is the real way, due to filters and such.
And now I am done rambling.
D
My body parts will not asphyxiate if they are not covered, neither will yours. They will not lose blood flow and turn gangrenous and fall off {unless I wear skinny jeans} and neither will yours.
Also it's one of those laugh and cry laugh and cry hilarious situations to me that a young man is telling women feel free to wear less and with so many verses to back it up...
2 Timothy 3:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires,
Also it's one of those laugh and cry laugh and cry hilarious situations to me that a young man is telling women feel free to wear less and with so many verses to back it up...
2 Timothy 3:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires,