Zimmerman Trial....divisive or definitive?

[JimJimmers]

It is good that Zimmerman's wife is starting to show us his true self. Too bad she did not let us see it during the trial. The coward and trigger happy Zimmerman hit his father-in-law and also wanted to "stand his ground" on his wife too as he did poor Trayvonon. She was terrified of that hot tempered trigger happy coward and now wants a divorce.

I have not been a supporter of Zimmerman in this thread, in fact I stated that I don't believe his innocence was shown in the trial. As I have said, God is the ultimate arbiter of justice.

Having said that, you'll have to explain to me why you believe everything Zimmerman's wife says, and nothing Zimmerman says? Zimmerman's wife was convicted of perjury. Did you consider the possibility that she lied about him during divorce proceedings? Believe it or not, similar things have occurred in the past.

If Zimmerman had his way and the rest of the kkk family on this forum, blacks would be segregated, sitting at the back of the bus and drinking from separate water fountains and segregated in schools.

I am insulted at this. You think we are a family of KKK members? You don't know me.

Obama is not racist.

Who are you to judge that? Have you ever even met him? Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

When I listen to my grandfather and grand uncle tell me when they had to drink from the colored fountain only, I praise God it is not like that now. They told me they had to sit in the back of the bus and called "boy." My grand uncle felt completely humiliated when he accidentally went into the White's bathroom only bathroom only to hear "hey boy, get out of there". They even troll the days of lynching. I just praise God that as African Americans we do not have to go through that now. My grandfather who is alive and well still remembers it.

I praise God for that also. But you can't let your ancestors' experiences shape you into someone who judges contrary to the scriptures. Anyone who claims to know exactly what happened between Trayvon and George that night is a liar.

 

[Trudes]

Hi jimmies, the Only reason why people think the president is racist is only based on his skin color. I do not have to guess, I know so. For your information he was raised by his white mother and white grandparents. You cannot prove he is a racist. What are your facts?

Fortunately many people in your race do not share your point of view. I am also very proud of the African American race, they have endured things you will never be able to understand. God has kept them alive through over 400 years of slavery and discrimations and hardships. Fortunately, they were some good white people helped them fight and died with them. I believe in standing up for those who cannot stand for themselves. I am not a coward and will speak my mind and what I believe. This thread really does not involve you. If you have nothing further to add please stay out of this conversation. This conversation is not between you and I. Thank you

 

[Oncefallen]

Hi jimmies, the Only reason why people think the president is racist is only based on his skin color.

This thread really does not involve you. If you have nothing further to add please stay out of this conversation. This conversation is not between you and I. Thank you

The last time I checked this is a public forum open to all users to comment on and/or add to the conversation. Jimjimmers and every other user is free to enter into this conversation as long as they are within the bounds of site rules.

 

[JimJimmers]

Hi jimmies, the Only reason why people think the president is racist is only based on his skin color. I do not have to guess, I know so. For your information he was raised by his white mother and white grandparents. You cannot prove he is a racist. What are your facts?

I know who raised Mr. Obama. Moreover, I never said he was racist, I said we shouldn't judge. What if you get to Heaven and find out he was a racist? You'd feel kind of silly then, wouldn't you? The Bible says not to judge others for a reason. However, we can judge actions. And it is safe to say that this is a racist statement:

Behind every war whites are behind it.

Fortunately many people in your race do not share your point of view.

What point of view? I am somewhat of a maverick, and a lot of people don't share my views, but I have no idea which point of view you are referring to.

I believe in standing up for those who cannot stand for themselves. I am not a coward and will speak my mind and what I believe.

As will I. You should offer others the same respect you desire.

This thread really does not involve you. If you have nothing further to add please stay out of this conversation. This conversation is not between you and I. Thank you

You're welcome.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Here's what Obama studied for seventeen years under his spiritual mentor Jeremiah Wright who is a strong supporter of the racist black Nation of Islam:

[video=youtube_share;ZPtPN-pSuco]http://youtu.be/ZPtPN-pSuco[/video]

 

[Huckleberry]

For your information he was raised by his white mother and white grandparents. You cannot prove he is a racist.

No, his white harlot mother eventually dumped him off for her
parents to raise, and they made sure he had frequent contact with
and mentoring from his real father, the communist Frank Marshall Davis.

I can prove he is a racist.
He instituted the "Stick-It-To-Whitey Tax"
Do we have any taxes that are only for black people?
No, we do not and should not.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

And who exactly is your Tom Sawyer Mr. Huckleberry or are you a member of the Ericaceae family?

 

[SonInMe]

I don't remember anyone claiming to be a member of the kkk here. I am sure if they were they would have said so.

I have not made any statements that are racist nor have I seen any made in this thread, that I remember anyways. If so the moderators would have removed them I think.

I would like to see the proof I, or anyone here has made a racist statement. Please use quotes.

There is a biblical principle, its called forgiveness. If you do not forgive the sins of the past, especially 50+ years ago. then bitterness will set in and your heart will harden. You will not perceive reality and everything will be filtered through hatred.

Worse yet, you can be easily manipulated.

I have never owned a slave.

None of my ancestors, who came here on the Mayflower, owned a slave as far as I know, nor did they recieve profits from the agricultural ''benefits'' of owning slaves.

I have never been racist. I think dividing people by race is foolishness. People are people and character counts, not skin pigment or place of origin.

Unfortunately as this thread has definitively proven, not everyone looks at people and sees people. They see black people and white people and people from europe or asia or africa.

Who cares?!

God does not care.

Neither do I.

 

[SonInMe]

Black liberation theology

 

[DragonSlayer]

You, like many black Americans, live in a delusion that Trayvon is an innocent child hunted down for being black by a white Nazi.

Zimmerman is a non-racist American who is half Jewish and half Peruvian. BUT, in his role as neighborhood watch captain he DID suspect Trayvon who was legally visiting his father's girlfriend in the gated community Zimmerman was watch captain of that was struggling with numerous breakins and thefts at that time. The residents of the gated community were up in arms and wanted the crimes stopped.

You can find Sanford PD's police reports, arrests, etc... at their site and also third party site's interested in the case of criminals committing burglaries at the Colonial Village and neighborhood in the weeks and months leading up to the tragic event online. Here's an example: http://www.talkleft.com/media/burgfeb7.pdf

Zimmerman was a man on a mission to end crime in his complex but that doesn't make him a racist hunting innocent black children to execute them which is nonsense you mistakenly believe and falsely assert.

And, though it's difficult to accept I know, Zimmerman had a legal right to follow Trayvon Martin and ask him questions. It's perfectly legal in Sanford Florida to follow someone to ask them some questions. And, that's what he did.

What happened next is what the trial was all about. Did Zimmerman kill Trayvon in self-defense or murder him on the night of February 26, 2012, in Sanford, Florida?

On April 11, 2012, Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder in Martin's death. The trial began on June 24, 2013, and was presented to the jury for deliberations on July 12. Note that while the prosecution only listed second degree murder in its charges, all lesser included offenses are assumed to be charged as well. Therefore, the jury could have found Zimmerman guilty of second degree murder or guilty of related lesser included offenses.

It is actually quite common for a prosecutor to go for the highest level charge they feel they can prove, with the understanding that if they cannot prove the greatest charge, a lower charge might stick with the jury in states, like Florida, that allow for the automatic inclusion of lesser included offenses.

The defendant was found not guilty the following day and after looking at the evidence, Eric Holder and the justice department refused to try Zimmerman on violating Trayvon's civil rights which the ACLU concurred.

NONE of this, of course, makes George Zimmerman a good, moral, or responsible person. I would argue that he's not a good person and that he showed a lack of maturity and acted irresponsibly by following Trayvon to question him about what he was doing in the gated community George was neighborhood watch captain over.

It appears; however, that Trayvon was not a good person either. Instead of using his cell phone to call the police and report being followed (it's not a crime to follow someone to question them in Sanford Florida but police intervention would have prevented what happened), going into his apartment and closing the door and ignoring George, or explaining to George he was legitimately visiting his father's girlfriend at the complex and used good social skills: chose instead to lie in wait in the bushes and jump out when George approached and say "What the f..k is your problem, homie?" and when George said "I don't have a problem" tell him "No, now you have a problem" and then violently assault George Zimmerman punching him in the nose, mounting him and smashing his head against the concrete, telling him he was going to kill him as he reached for George's gun putting George in fear for his life.

That's the REAL reason Trayvon is dead.

Don't get it twisted.

So you were there ? How could you be so sure it happened that way ? If Zimmerman was found guilty in the future, would you accept the facts ? I was not there, no one but Zimmerman and Martin were there, only the Lord knows for now.

 

[DragonSlayer]

Well, when there's no total proof at such dramatic event, it leaves people with their biases. And it awakes racial prejudice from both dark brown skin people and light brown skin people ( yes, no one is white, without melanin in your skin, the sun kills you, and no one is black either, the true black color is invisible, black hole look it up ! )

And when racial prejudice get involved, irrational judgement happens.
That's why in that case, until there's irrefutable proof, it's better to leave it to the Lord.
For the Lord knows everything.
Racial prejudice are bad news for equal justice and rational judgement !

A definitive judgement should be made on irrefutable proof only !
And not on subjective and irrational racial prejudice !

May the Lord help us all !

 

[SonInMe]

...and the facts at trial were...what?

Were they lies?

Is argued over evidences just figments of our imaginations?

I do not care what you or anyone else thinks what happened. There was a trial with FACTS presented and...

please listen....

no facts were given or even suggested that Zimmerman acted out of hatred or bigotry...

absolutely none.

There was evidence, wether you believe it or not, that Martin used racial slurs.

There was clear cut evidence that...

Trayvon Martin had a history of violence, left violent messages on facebook and took an intoxicant, which was in his brain and liver ( the liver being a filter for the body, traces found there suggest long term use ) that makes those who use it, violent.

Martin had a choice, of going the few yards to home or toward Zimmerman. He went a few number of yards, about 100, toward Zimmerman and it took 4 minutes to do it....he stalked Zimmerman.

Zimmerman had extensive wounds on his head.

There was so little real evidence against Zimmerman the police chief did not want to arrest him. The district attorney did....and this DA witheld evidence at trial from the defense team, a violation of law.

The trial's evidence clearly and without any doubt cleared Zimmerman.

The people who think Zimmerman is guilty of murder do so because they are bigots. There is no doubt of this. All you have to do is listen to them...or read their comments here.

Clear cut unadulterated bigotry.

There is no further reason for comment about what this trial accomplished.

IT EXPOSED THE LIBERAL IDEOLOGY AS PURELY RACIST AND THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN IT AS EITHER UNINFORMED IGNORANTS OR DELUSIONARY BIGOTS.

This trial was very definitive.

 

[zone]

There is no further reason for comment about what this trial accomplished.

This trial was very definitive.

not.

 

[TJ91]

Obama started this whole thing. Obama is a RACIST! He paid people to go out and protest against white people who stand their ground. He hates whites.

saying things like this will only start arguments. i would advise not to shot things like this out without physical proof.

 

[zone]

Report: George Zimmerman Arrested for Assaulting Pregnant Girlfriend

George Zimmerman was arrested this afternoon and is being held in the Seminole County Jail in Sanford, Florida, according to the Orlando Sentinel and TMZ. Charges have not yet been announced, but Karla Ray of Eyewitness News 9 is reporting that Zimmerman was arrested after a domestic disturbance involving his new girlfriend and a gun.

UPDATE: According to TMZ, Zimmerman's girlfriend claims she's pregnant. If true, that would make the domestic violence charge an automatic felony. While no charges are listed, the Seminole County Sheriff's website says Zimmerman is being held without bail.

If this sounds familiar, well, it is. In addition to shooting an unarmed teenager to death last year, Zimmerman was detained in September for a domestic incident involving his then-wife and a gun.
Report: George Zimmerman Arrested for Assaulting Pregnant Girlfriend



oops.

 

[JimJimmers]

Woah!!! Game-changer. There were several reasons for not believing Zimmerman's ex-wife, but if this report is true, I definitely think I see a pattern here.

 

[zone]

George Zimmerman charged with felony after allegedly pointing gun at girlfriend

By Steve Almasy, CNN
updated 5:47 PM EST, Mon November 18, 2013

(CNN) -- George Zimmerman was charged Monday with felony aggravated assault, domestic violence battery and criminal mischief, with the charges stemming from incident at his girlfriend's home in central Florida, according to Dennis Lemma, chief deputy with the Seminole County Sheriff's Office.

George Zimmerman charged with aggravated assault at girlfriend's home - CNN.com


dat's a lot of trouble.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

 

[DragonSlayer]

" tick tick...boom " ? I don't understand. What does that mean ?

 

[DreaMo]

No, his white harlot mother eventually dumped him off for her
parents to raise, and they made sure he had frequent contact with
and mentoring from his real father, the communist Frank Marshall Davis.

I can prove he is a racist.
He instituted the "Stick-It-To-Whitey Tax"
Do we have any taxes that are only for black people?
No, we do not and should not.

1) President Obama's mother never committed prostitution nor was ever known to have extramarital sex. 2) His mother lived with her parents when he was born, that's not dumping him. 3) His real father was Barack Obama Senior 4) Frank Marshall Davis was quite likely in male menopause when President Obama was born, and 60 year old men don't usually steal the girlfriends of college students. 5) There is no "stick it to whitey" tax. ObamaCare taxes tanning salons. There are four things wrong with your assumption that this is "sticking it to whitey." First, tanning salons are not for only white people, I have seen many mixed race and Hispanic people using them. Second, tanning is not necessary for white people. It's not necessary for anyone. It's a luxury (For people who are trying not to be white) and fair game for luxury taxes. It's a health hazard and to tax it fits right in with the taxes on junk foods, (I didn't hear you whining that junk food taxes target poor people) alcohol, (I didn't hear you whining that alcohol taxes target Native Americans) tobacco, and fines for not wearing set belts or bike helmets. Third, It's taxed by ObamaCare because it's billed as a health service (tanning salons can get out of the tax easily by not pretending it's a health treatment) White people will certainly have health benefits from not tanning as often because of this tax. Maybe Obama's being a racist against blacks with his white half because he leveraged a save-whitey-from-cancer tax but didn't leverage a save-blacks-from-cancer-tax. Fourth, I guarantee you that skin bleaching salons are taxed under ObamaCare too. Because they are being billed as medical treeatments, and because they are a luxury that causes cancer. And I guarantee you that white people don't get skin bleaching treatments. What was that you said about there not being a blacks only tax??? Yes, we do, and we should, because it's a fair tax.