i see much conttradiction

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konroh

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Matt 7

Those who Jesus said he never knew come to him and say, "Look at all the good we did, don't we deserve heaven? They don't say, "We are yours, thank you for what you did for us."

I would also be comfortable with the interpretation that these verses are talking about Christians who won't be rewarded in heaven. Jesus says, "You didn't always do the will of the Father, I didn't know you intimately, you weren't seeking me, you were glorifying yourselves, you were lawbreakers." The quote is from Psalm 6, "Depart from me, all evildoers," a Psalm about coming to God out of contriteness and asking for mercy, not out of pride and asking for reward.

So it doesn't doubt the genuineness of who you are (wheat or weeds) it just rewards what you are.
 
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konroh said:
Matt 7

Those who Jesus said he never knew come to him and say, "Look at all the good we did, don't we deserve heaven? They don't say, "We are yours, thank you for what you did for us."

I would also be comfortable with the interpretation that these verses are talking about Christians who won't be rewarded in heaven. Jesus says, "You didn't always do the will of the Father, I didn't know you intimately, you weren't seeking me, you were glorifying yourselves, you were lawbreakers." The quote is from Psalm 6, "Depart from me, all evildoers," a Psalm about coming to God out of contriteness and asking for mercy, not out of pride and asking for reward.
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"Away from me you evildoers" has the same meaning in Ps 6:8 as it does in Mt 7:23.

Jesus won't be calling anyone in heaven, who is thereby in Christ, an evildoer.

Mt 7:21-23 is about counterfeit faith which does not save, nor go to heaven.

So it doesn't doubt the genuineness of who you are (wheat or weeds) it just rewards what you are.
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The parable does not "doubt" their genuineness, it declares they are not genuine (you evildoers),
and does not allow entrance into heaven.

Evildoers, the unrighteous without the righteousness of Christ Jesus, are not admitted to heaven.
 
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Isn't the greatest contradiction that Christ would leave His glory to die on the cross of Calvary for sinful men?
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I don't see contradictions in the fact that Christ died for our sins, I have never read a post that says Christ didn't. But I think there is great misunderstanding about Christ, and it is serious. God is precise. His road is narrow, what God creates has precision and order. Look at how the stars are ordered, how the tides of the ocean are exactly on time, how clocks can be set by God's order.

There seems to be little study about exactly what the difference was that Christ made in our world. Some say that Christ wiped out all of the principles of God, the essence of how God operates and who God is. They call the OT the law of Moses and that is wiped out, or varying degrees of that belief. Others say all scripture is breathed by God, Christ was from the beginning, and the principles of Christ agree in every scripture. These people study carefully all scripture, even the parts of scripture that are but a shadow of Christ, to tell exactly what changed. Others scoff at any teaching of the shadow as coming from God and ask how anyone could study the shadow when we have Christ.

There is lots of mud thrown based on this. There are accusations that some don't believe in salvation, only works, that others believe only what they think, humanly, counts for them as how to live for Christ, and on and on. Few take the time to search all scripture for an answer to what God wants of us.
 
Apostol2013

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Well christ died for our sins christ is God in the flesh
 
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RedTent said:
I don't see contradictions in the fact that Christ died for our sins, I have never read a post that says Christ didn't. But I think there is great misunderstanding about Christ, and it is serious. God is precise. His road is narrow, what God creates has precision and order. Look at how the stars are ordered, how the tides of the ocean are exactly on time, how clocks can be set by God's order.

There seems to be little study about exactly what the difference was that Christ made in our world. Some say that Christ wiped out all of the principles of God, the essence of how God operates and who God is. They call the OT the law of Moses and that is wiped out, or varying degrees of that belief. Others say all scripture is breathed by God, Christ was from the beginning, and the principles of Christ agree in every scripture. These people study carefully all scripture, even the parts of scripture that are but a shadow of Christ, to tell exactly what changed. Others scoff at any teaching of the shadow as coming from God and ask how anyone could study the shadow when we have Christ.

There is lots of mud thrown based on this. There are accusations that some don't believe in salvation, only works, that others believe only what they think, humanly, counts for them as how to live for Christ, and on and on. Few take the time to search all scripture for an answer to what God wants of us.
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Redtent, your life revolves around the law of Moses, not Christ.
 
Apostol2013

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well during the law of Moses Lord Christ was not here yet but the law taught some good principles that should be not done away with as many the care for one another our healthcare how to live moraly correct , personal hygiene , not to steal, not to murder, not live a sexually immoral life , not to lie , most important to lie to yourself , by doing so you are a liar to God, will also taught care for the wildlife all the animals careare for the environment , take care of our earth and not to pollute it the law of Moses taught us , so many good things , all Scripture is good for edification reproof and learning with the first more adherance that it is because of the cornerstone that is christ that no one may glory in their works but in christ , does that make us ignorant to do what is right God forbid , for we are children of righteousness lets live up to that name
 
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Apostol2013 said:
I see much contradiction over the silliest issues christians worst than sinners not believing God id real in alot of these forumms
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The Word of God doesn't contradict itself. It's all really at how you look at it, and understand what God is really trying to say. The Word actually coincides with each other. No matter how much you try, if you read the Bible with a carnal mind, you'll never be able to grasp and understand what God really means. You can try, but to no avail. My advice? Stop reading, and knowing, and start understanding. Then you'll finally be able to comprehend His Word.

God bless.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead

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chubbena said:
the law from Yahweh through Moses - corrected that for you ;)
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The bible calls it the law of Moses. I can provide over 20 instances if you like. Jesus himself called it the law of Moses.
 
Apostol2013

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And the so called tares may not be the tares.
Those who get confused easily just may be the tares.
Anyone that can become easily confused are not believers at all, but, tares.
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ElizabethPeter said:
The Word of God doesn't contradict itself. It's all really at how you look at it, and understand what God is really trying to say. The Word actually coincides with each other. No matter how much you try, if you read the Bible with a carnal mind, you'll never be able to grasp and understand what God really means. You can try, but to no avail. My advice? Stop reading, and knowing, and start understanding. Then you'll finally be able to comprehend His Word.

God bless.
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Im not contradicting anything but if you were attentive i was speaki.g of the general population of cc having silly isues over lack of understanding of the word itself like it says in hosea my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge . Prayer and deep lecture in the word.is esential but prayer in the spirit that the channel to God remain open to be guided by the holy Ghost.
 
mystdancer50

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You know, I think that is part of the issue. I think that, just like with listening, we prepare our arguments as the person is speaking, and so we're not really listening, which causes untold arguments. :)

This is what we do when we read these posts. I'm guilty of it, too. I focus in on one thing and as I read or scan the rest of the post, I am forming my argument for the one thing I focused in on, and therefore, am not really 'reading' the post. So, when someone corrects someone and their correction doesn't line up with the OP, well, that's the reason. It also has to do with our filters. Someone writes their post based on their filters and completely understand what they're saying. Then, another person, such as myself, reads it with their filters engaged and they may see it completely differently, which causes disagreements, too.

I sometimes sit there when someone responds to my post with some way out there thought and say aloud, "Did you even read what I wrote?!?!" I now try to be more focused on what the person is saying, rather than on my argument. I can prepare my statements after I've read the post thoroughly. It's not like it's going anywhere, right? :)
 
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Apostol2013 said:
I see much contradiction over the silliest issues christians worst than sinners not believing God id real in alot of these forumms
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in the thinking of any who struggle to become the"idol of the great preacher",,,the easiest way to prove that you are the "mighty preacher of god",,,is to prove that all the others are not. so they begin with the different denominations and point out all their faults(thats a no brain-er since we are all human we'll all have faults),,then no matter who says what they find something about it that they can say is incorrect. its just like American Idol,but it's "the worlds greatest preacher idol",,,they stick out like a sore thumb because of their devotion to the cause they just put Jesus,Peter,Paul ect. all on ignore and go for it,,,,,,,,
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Redtent, your life revolves around the law of Moses, not Christ.
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And your life revolves around living outside of the instructions for living God gives. In order to live with Christ, you must spend most of your time on your knees!!! In your words, Jesus denies all His Father tells Him. I don't think Christ said that about His Father.

Why in the world would you read scripture to say that you must not listen to God? Christ never said so, yet you go on about how you actually believe in Christ as your Savior!!!
 
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mystdancer50 said:
You know, I think that is part of the issue. I think that, just like with listening, we prepare our arguments as the person is speaking, and so we're not really listening, which causes untold arguments. :)

This is what we do when we read these posts. I'm guilty of it, too. I focus in on one thing and as I read or scan the rest of the post, I am forming my argument for the one thing I focused in on, and therefore, am not really 'reading' the post. So, when someone corrects someone and their correction doesn't line up with the OP, well, that's the reason. It also has to do with our filters. Someone writes their post based on their filters and completely understand what they're saying. Then, another person, such as myself, reads it with their filters engaged and they may see it completely differently, which causes disagreements, too.

I sometimes sit there when someone responds to my post with some way out there thought and say aloud, "Did you even read what I wrote?!?!" I now try to be more focused on what the person is saying, rather than on my argument. I can prepare my statements after I've read the post thoroughly. It's not like it's going anywhere, right? :)
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???

Did you EVEN READ my post?

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mystdancer50 said:
You know, I think that is part of the issue. I think that, just like with listening, we prepare our arguments as the person is speaking, and so we're not really listening, which causes untold arguments. :)

This is what we do when we read these posts. I'm guilty of it, too. I focus in on one thing and as I read or scan the rest of the post, I am forming my argument for the one thing I focused in on, and therefore, am not really 'reading' the post. So, when someone corrects someone and their correction doesn't line up with the OP, well, that's the reason. It also has to do with our filters. Someone writes their post based on their filters and completely understand what they're saying. Then, another person, such as myself, reads it with their filters engaged and they may see it completely differently, which causes disagreements, too.

I sometimes sit there when someone responds to my post with some way out there thought and say aloud, "Did you even read what I wrote?!?!" I now try to be more focused on what the person is saying, rather than on my argument. I can prepare my statements after I've read the post thoroughly. It's not like it's going anywhere, right? :)
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the internet is very difficult to convey voice tones,manner of speech,ect. on,,,,at times i write post and don't mean it mean,my intention is not to offend anyone,buy somehow it comes across offensive to someone. so i read through what i wrote and think,well maybe it's how i worded this,maybe its that,,,,its odd that i can say the same thing in person and not offend anyone that i can type and offend many,,,
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
The bible calls it the law of Moses. I can provide over 20 instances if you like. Jesus himself called it the law of Moses.
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For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Of course Moses forged the law. Oh really?
 
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Apostol2013 said:
I see much contradiction over the silliest issues christians worst than sinners not believing God id real in alot of these forumms
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Hello,

We have many misunderstandings and are simultaneously expolited.
The Jews do not believe the N.T. but they read their book and they are informed.
The Gentiles were lulled into sleep by being told that Grace means that all they have to do is cash in.
The Jews know that is not true and call them lawless.
The Gentiles then scury around asking if we are lawless.
It was predicted that heretics will rule the majority.
We must recall how the rulers of the former people misled them.
They are ones that Jesus, our good LORD, called hypocrites, oppressors ....
and who got their just reward in 70 A.D.
Christianity is simple, logical and provable.
Their objective is GODLINESS and its rewards.
Their primary desire from Christ (their incarnated God), is forgiveness and the Holy Spirit.
Peter told them to get both by baptizing. (Acts 2:38)
Baptism must be done correctly, calling Jesus from burial under the water.
If we get that done right then we are in the hand of the perfect Savior and ...
How can God fail as a Savior.
If we look at what we ought to be and compare then we will know what is lacking
but we can recover ourself only.

Eph.4
[4] There is ONE body (who believes and practises the same things),
and ONE Spirit/ mind,
even as ye are called in ONE hope (immortality and greatness) of your calling;
[5] One LORD (Jesus our Head who died for us)
ONE faith, (in Jesus and his Father who raised him from the dead)
ONE baptism, (calling on the name of Jesus)
[6] ONE GOD and Father of all,
who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

A person needs help to confuse such simple abd straightforward things.

Take care,
 
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I left a thread a while ago where christians spent hours arguing over the length of Jesus hair.
 
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