When was Revelation 20:4,5 fulfilled?

[LT]

John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom [k]is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not [l]of this realm.”
37 Therefore Pilate said to Him, “So You are a king?”
Jesus answered, “You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”

NASB

 

[Isdaniel]

Jesus has already been "given all authority on heaven and on earth". He said so Himself.
Having all authority is the definition of being king.
Jesus is King. His Kingdom is not yet visible, but it will be soon, when He returns.

The millennial kingdom is not all that the Kingdom of Heaven is. The Kingdom of Heaven is a spiritual Kingdom. The millennial kingdom will only be the physical manifestation of the spiritual Kingdom of Heaven.
People can deny the Lordship (Kingship) of Christ, but they will be proven wrong when He returns to earth. He will show Himself as coming down from the clouds, with King of Kings already written on Himself.
He does not become King when He returns. He already is.
He is just going to quench the rebellion that is on the planet that He already owns.

A king has a son hmmm so he was born to be a king hmmm ok thats good but when will he actually be a king

next the bible says we are kings hmmm in a verse are we really or would we be kings ?

 

[LT]

A king has a son hmmm so he was born to be a king hmmm ok thats good but when will he actually be a king

next the bible says we are kings hmmm in a verse are we really or would we be kings ?

are you saying God must die for Jesus to take the throne?!
lol
read my post again. I feel I made the point very clearly.
function and title are 2 separate issues. "All authority" is clear.

 

[Isdaniel]

John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom [k]is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not [l]of this realm.”
37 Therefore Pilate said to Him, “So You are a king?”
Jesus answered, “You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”

NASB

We must realize how Jesus speaks , His funtion now is as a High Priest not as a King

When he comes ahain he is going to take off that Priestly role and put on His Kingly Garments

 

[Isdaniel]

are you saying God must die for Jesus to take the throne?!
lol

you are cool but that is carnal thinking hmm Jesus will be King of Kings And Lord of Lords on the Earth hmmm not heaven think about it

God is the only One as King of Kings and Lord of Lord over Heaven

Psalm 103



19 The Lord hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all.





What garments is Jesus wearing in Heaven right now ? His kingly garments or His Priestly garment

 

[LT]

Matthew 28:18 was said before Jesus' ascension into heaven.

 

[Isdaniel]

are you saying God must die for Jesus to take the throne?!
lol
read my post again. I feel I made the point very clearly.
function and title are 2 separate issues. "All authority" is clear.

lest see what the bible says who is ruling now in the heavens and all that in them is and who is to rule in the fuutre

Daniel 7

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

1 Corinthians 15


24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

 

[Graybeard]

3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
It has been fulfilled.

Am I missing something?....when did they beat their swords into plowshares? and their spears into pruning hooks?.....when did nations cease to war against nations?...when did they learn war no more?.....I would really like to know as that must have been a huge turning point in history...please tell.

 

[LT]

Then what was Jesus saying in Matt 28:18?
Jesus was GIVEN all authority in heaven and on earth when He proved Himself worthy by becoming the "lamb that was slain".
When He rose from the dead, He rose as KING.

 

[Isdaniel]

Matthew 28:18 was said before Jesus' ascension into heaven.

What do you understand by that ? hmmm i will answer it for you


[h=3]Hebrews 1[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

 

[LT]

I am saying that it is heresy to deny the Lordship of Christ.

 

[Isdaniel]

Then what was Jesus saying in Matt 28:18?
Jesus was GIVEN all authority in heaven and on earth when He proved Himself worthy by becoming the "lamb that was slain".
When He rose from the dead, He rose as KING.

Hmmm interesting is it when Jesus was in the heavens before He came to die was heaven and earth under His authourity ?

 

[Isdaniel]

Then what was Jesus saying in Matt 28:18?
Jesus was GIVEN all authority in heaven and on earth when He proved Himself worthy by becoming the "lamb that was slain".
When He rose from the dead, He rose as KING.

Before Jesus died was He a King in the heavens hmm all thing were created by Him ?

 

[Isdaniel]

Then what was Jesus saying in Matt 28:18?
Jesus was GIVEN all authority in heaven and on earth when He proved Himself worthy by becoming the "lamb that was slain".
When He rose from the dead, He rose as KING.

hmmm or was he born a King not when He died

[h=3]Matthew 2[/h]King James Version (KJV)

2 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.



hmm He was born a King not only when He died hmmm as you said hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Lets see david was annoited King but when exactlly did he take up kingship over Israel

precept upon precept line upon line

 

[LT]

Before Jesus died was He a King in the heavens hmm all thing were created by Him ?

now you are changing topics?
yes, Jesus gave up His place in heaven, for the glory of God, by humbling Himself into the form of a man.

 

[Isdaniel]

now you are changing topics?
yes, Jesus gave up His place in heaven, for the glory of God, by humbling Himself into the form of a man.

i am not changing topics, if you could answer that question you will undserstand what Jesus said and why He said it

He said my kingdom is not from here was He talking about the one in heaven at thesaid time He was speaking or was He talking about the one to come . remember you said When He rose from the dead, He rose as KING.

 

[Isdaniel]

now you are changing topics?
yes, Jesus gave up His place in heaven, for the glory of God, by humbling Himself into the form of a man.

all i am asking is was He a King in the Heavens before that ? what place or places did He give up ?

 

[LT]

all i am asking is was He a King in the Heavens before that ? what place or places did He give up ?

I don't know. Scripture doesn't describe the title of Logos before His incarnation.
If you have a verse that clarifies, I would appreciate it.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

So Jesus Christ is not presently King, ChosenbyHim? On the day of Pentecost Peter clearly announced that Christ had ascended into Heaven and was sitting and reigning on David's throne. The doctrine you follow, however, pretty much dethrones Him. The Jews were expecting an earthly kingdom just like pre-millennialists today but Jesus never intended on establishing such.

Starfield, you just do not understand the Dispensations.



Of course our Lord Jesus Christ is King. And right now He is in Heaven seated at the right hand of the throne of God (Heb. 12:2)


And no, the Doctrine I follow does not Dethrone Him. He is seated at the right hand of God the Father making intercession for us (Heb. 7:25).


The Jews were indeed expecting a Millennial Earthly Kingdom, but when their Messiah (our Lord Jesus Christ) showed up and offered the Kingdom to them, they rejected Him as their King (Matt. 27:23-25, John 19:15) and rejected the Kingdom (Acts 7:54-60).


And the Earthly Millennial Kingdom was only put off temporarily. Meaning the Millennial Kingdom is still going to take place, but it will take place at the end of the time of Jacob's trouble. In fact, the one of the main purposes of the time of Jacob's trouble is to get Israel ready for the Millennial Kingdom.


Furthermore; when we read Acts 1, we see that when the Disciples asked the Lord Jesus when the Kingdom would be restored to Israel, Jesus did not rebuke them for asking such a question nor for their expectation to see the Kingdom restored to Israel. Jesus simply told them that it was not for them to know the times and the seasons:



[SUP]6 [/SUP]When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. - Acts 1:6-7 (King James Bible)

So the salvation plan will be different during your so-called future Jewish millennial age?

Yes it will be. Salvation in the Millennial Kingdom will be purely works. Just as it was in the Garden of Eden.


Matthew 5-7 (Sermon on the Mount) will be the Constitution/ Law of the Earthly, Messianic Kingdom.


Again, read Psalm 2, Isaiah 9, Joel 2, Micah 4, Matthew 25, and Revelation 20. There are plenty of passages in the Scriptures which reference the Davidic, Messianic, Jewish, literal, earthly Millennial Kingdom where Jesus Christ will rule the nations with a Rod of Iron (Psa. 2:9, Rev. 12:5, 19:15) from Jerusalem, the city of the Great King (Matt. 5:35).

You’re going to switch back to animal sacrificing and "salvation by works", eh? Pure speculation! You are confused about the relationship between works and faith in salvation that’s why you slice and dice the scripture into various dispensations claiming the book of James isn't applicable today. James speaks of works done in faith i.e. the fruit of the Spirit which is evident in a believer saved by grace similarly, Ephesians 2:10 says we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works.

No it is not pure speculation, it is Bible Doctrine. Salvation is in the Millennial Kingdom will not be the same as it is today. Again, Salvation in the Millennial Kingdom is by works only.


Salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble will also NOT be the same as it is today.


And no, I understand the relationship that good works have concerning the faith in a Christian's life. Obviously, since a Christian is saved unto good works (Eph. 2:10), then that Christian, if he walks after the Spirit and yields to the Holy Spirit, then he will produce good works in his Christian life.


And no James does not speak just of works done in faith. James teaches that for a Jew to be saved in the time of Jacob's trouble, he must have faith AND works. You need to start reading those passages in James literally Starfield.


If you read verse 24 in James 2, then you'll notice that James clearly says that a man is justified by works and not faith only:



14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. - James 2:14-26 (King James Bible)




4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. - Romans 4:4-5 (King James Bible)



8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. - Ephesians 2:8-10 (King James Bible)


The only way that you reconcile Ephesians 2:8-10 and Romans 4:4-5 with James 2:14-26 is by rightly diving the word of truth.


2 Timothy 2:15 is not a suggestion Starfield. It isa COMMAND.


There is faith AND works in the time of Jacob's trouble (James 2, Rev. 14:9-12). A lot of Christians who do not understand the book of James use the same argument that you just did.


"Well you see James was talking about good works that follow faith."


Now I can see how that applies for instruction in righteousness for a Christian in the Church Age, but again, the issue with that is that in verse 24, James says that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Which proves that salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble will indeed be by faith AND works.


Another important thing a Christian has to keep in mind when reading and studying the book of James is that it is Doctrinally pointed at Jews in the time of Jacob's trouble. After all, the book of James is NOT written to Christians in the Church Age.


The book of James is written to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad in Daniel's 70th week:


1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. - James 1:1 (King James Bible)



Again, Starfield, you need to start reading those passages in James literally, and not just figuratively.

But keep on slicin' scripture into dispensations.

Well again Starfield, what you have to understand is that the command given in 2 Timothy 2:15 is not a suggestion, it is a Command. We as Christians are not to be sloppy with our study and handling of the Scriptures.


We are to take time to read, study, and rightly divide the Scriptures. We are study the Bible dispensationally. The problem with most Christians these days, is that they are lazy, and they do not want to study. They rather ignore the dispensations, and pretend that every promise in the Bible is for them. And that somehow all the Bible is written to them, when it is not. While the whole Bible is written for us, not all the Bible is written to us.


And until you begin to read the Bible literally and begin to obey the command in 2 Timothy 2:15, your understanding will continue to be lacking.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

When the Jews rejected Jesus Christ as their King (Matt. 27:23-25, John 19:15), the Kingdom was put off. It was postponed for a later time in the future.