You're a child of the Devil.

[4enlightment]

What does fulfill the Law means ?

Is to complete it. There were no righteous and it was time as John had said. So Jesus had stand in our place to complete the laws. Jesus represent the mercy of God that He has given us.

Matthew 3:7But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?

 

[loveme1]

I often find i learn the most, when i believe i'm Teaching.

Remember that Elizabeth is offering her understanding, like we all do.

John 10

10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

It is not our works, but our Obedience to His Word which commands us to do good works.

We should not take it lightly to be relaying the Messiah's Testimony.

Elizabeth does not know our hearts, calling us a "child of the devil" is her way of telling us we need Forgiveness, we need Yahshua the Messiah.

It may also be a way for her to learn much.





John 8

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

 

[Cobus]

If a person wants to LEARN, the best way is to ASK questions not give understanding. IT is so much easier and more efficient, to ASK.

Like I shall demonstrate....

Is the flesh that sins, stronger than the salvation of Spirit of God that can make the flesh obey God ALL THE TIME?

Like the SEED of God that comes into the flesh with BORN OF GOD.... I ask this... Is this verse true or not?

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Does any person who is born of God EVER sin?

I gave not one opinion or my understanding, I ask... is this true, or do we need to modify the verse before it comes true?

 

[chatter23]

I said "you're a child of the devil". I was wrong to do so. I should've said "we"
But, I can't say we were. Some still are, and they don't realize it. I was one of them. I thought I was saved. And I was dead wrong. But I was ignorant to believe it. But the Lord saw my heart, and He opened it up for me. And now, I can boldly say that I'm already in the Kingdom of God. Because I know and understand how and why Christ did what He did. I'm not going to Heaven because I'm perfect and holy and anything like that. I'm going to Heaven, because I believe that in and through Him I'm made perfect and holy and anything like that. There is a big difference between the two. And finally, I can see it.

I am so glad you came along, now I can take some time off.

 

[loveme1]

If a person wants to LEARN, the best way is to ASK questions not give understanding. IT is so much easier and more efficient, to ASK.

Like I shall demonstrate....

Is the flesh that sins, stronger than the salvation of Spirit of God that can make the flesh obey God ALL THE TIME?

Like the SEED of God that comes into the flesh with BORN OF GOD.... I ask this... Is this verse true or not?

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Does any person who is born of God EVER sin?

I gave not one opinion or my understanding, I ask... is this true, or do we need to modify the verse before it comes true?

Cobus, for all we know you are the one chosen to share the Truth with this young lady.

It is through her sharing her understanding, that you can show her the Bible verses you believe will Teach her otherwise.

 

[SpiritofFire]

Again the young lady is correct. We were all at one time children of the devil.

 

[Cobus]

True sis, and I will gladly except resposibility for it, as an elder in the Church should. It is only very confusing and misleading if there is no order. And proper Bible teachng is done as Jesus did it...

The disciples did not give their idea of what they thought was the Gospel, they asked the teacher. In private Jesus had some moments with Peter that was rebuked with hard words, but in public, it all went very...Teacher, teach, and disciple ASK. That is why I suggest if Elizabeth need answers to questions, she should just ask...

Imaginr a new Christian believes her understanding... Like ...We will always sin in the flesh.... that is the most succesful lie Satan has EVER produced. How many people believe all flesh sin, and flesh CANNOT stop sinning... Why do they, of which Elizabeth is one, believe this, and yet is is not in the Bible? Actually the opposite is taght in the Bible. I think understandings, we should mention as "understanding" not Gospel.


My BIGGEST struggle is to get rid of the LIE people believe. They CANNOT house the truth of BE PERFECT, when they believe the LIE... we sahll always sin... Then they twit and turn ALL scripture to fit their doctrine of LIES! Elizabeth is 15, and already the Lies is suffucating her HOLY DESTINY... She should converse with me in e-mail, and I will give her ALL of me and God's Word, as a GOOD SHEPARD should. I have invited her before, but she refused.


And here she is back again, with a false doctrine. I would LOVE to protect her from the false teachers. I would spend hours and days and as long as it takes, to show her the Truth. I will show and God will reveal. And she will be made free in TRUTH!


I will ONLY use God's Word and God can write it on her heart, and we will see another beautiful young lady in Chrsit. With all Truth and the Sound Doctrine of perfection in her.... Made free from all evil and lies and false teachings... WOW, Loveme1 is this not just GREAT? Praise God....

 

[ElizabethPeter]

The problem with us, myself included, is that we always want to be right. But that's why Christ came, to show and tell us that we can never be right. In the Bible, God says that you can only have one father. It's either the Devil, or God, Himself. But my point here is, we were all born in sin, because of Adam and Eve's disobedience. The minute they sinned, the Lord God who was their Father, was no longer their Father. Instead, they became a child of the Devil. Yes, saying that can be harsh. But, the truth can hurt most of the time. It's whether or not we're willing to open up our hearts. We were all born into sin. But, by the grace of God, we can have a new Father. We've died to our old self. We've died to that nature, with Christ on that cross and have resurrected into a new life; His life. So Jesus can call God His Father, and if we now live the life of Christ, then isn't God now our Father as well? This was my point. And I sincerely apologize for writing in that manner. It caused a lot of confusion. I can do that sometimes. But, the Lord is my strength. And the Lord is guiding my path. We can never learn enough. No matter how big we are, or how much we think we know, we still have a lot to learn. And I'm on that path. I thank the Lord in the end. Because it's not my own strength, or understandings that saved me. But, the precious blood of Christ.

God bless.

 

[ElizabethPeter]

Tell me this, we say the flesh can never sin again. But that's the lie of the Devil. The fact that we will always sin in the flesh, is the truth. You can't possibly not sin in the flesh anymore. How many of you can? Because I know I can't. But thank the Lord that He doesn't judge me in my flesh. God looks at my heart. It's my spirit that God looks at, not my flesh. For my sins, He remembers no more. And that's the point of Jesus coming. To tell us that in the flesh, we'll always sin. But, in the spirit, we can have a new life. The flesh doesn't matter. From dust we come, to dust we go. But the spirit remains forever.

 

[Tintin]

Tell me this, we say the flesh can never sin again. But that's the lie of the Devil. The fact that we will always sin in the flesh, is the truth. You can't possibly not sin in the flesh anymore. How many of you can? Because I know I can't. But thank the Lord that He doesn't judge me in my flesh. God looks at my heart. It's my spirit that God looks at, not my flesh. For my sins, He remembers no more. And that's the point of Jesus coming. To tell us that in the flesh, we'll always sin. But, in the spirit, we can have a new life. The flesh doesn't matter. From dust we come, to dust we go. But the spirit remains forever.

Great post but be careful not to take it too far. Some people believe everything physical is evil (they're called Gnostics) but that's simply not biblical. After all, we'll be given new bodies when Jesus Christ returns a second time. Bodies that will never grow old and die.

 

[ElizabethPeter]

Great post but be careful not to take it too far. Some people believe everything physical is evil (they're called Gnostics) but that's simply not biblical. After all, we'll be given new bodies when Jesus Christ returns a second time. Bodies that will never grow old and die.

Exactly. Sometimes it's quite hard not to take it too far. But, the Lord shall be my guide. And by His grace, I will not.

 

[didymos]

(...) Truth is, we're all children of the Devil. (...)

Speak for yourself sweetie.

 

[ElizabethPeter]

Speak for yourself sweetie.

That's exactly what I did. I was a child of the Devil. And one way to overcome all your fears, and problems, is by admitting them, and surrendering it to God. In the end, we can hide from man. But from God, we can't. Unlike man, God looks at the heart. He looks at the faith. Man however, I just can't say the same. And just as I am pointing one finger at you, three are pointing back at me. But the difference is, I know my flaws. I know I'm not perfect, and I know I sin and was once the child of Satan. But, I came before God, acknowledging the fact that I do need help. Loads of it. And while man turned me down, and looked away, in disgust, God reached out His hands and opened us His arms. God's love is great. Agape love.

God bless.

 

[Laodicea]

Truth is, we're all children of the Devil.

That is not what the Bible says. from the beginning there has been two
Genesis 3:15 KJV
(15) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

 

[ElizabethPeter]

That is not what the Bible says. from the beginning there has been two
Genesis 3:15 KJV
(15) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

In that verse, woman speaks of the Church. There will be enmity between the church and the people that are in it. Because the wolves that are dressed in sheep's clothing just so happen to be the very same people in the Church. And when God cursed Eve saying that woman from now on will hurt during childbirth, or something like that, God means to say that the Church will have trouble even giving birth to one born again Christian. The Bible is to be read with a spiritual state of mind, not a carnal one. Because God is a spirit, and a carnal mind can never comprehend Him.

 

[Laodicea]

In that verse, woman speaks of the Church. There will be enmity between the church and the people that are in it. Because the wolves that are dressed in sheep's clothing just so happen to be the very same people in the Church. And when God cursed Eve saying that woman from now on will hurt during childbirth, or something like that, God means to say that the Church will have trouble even giving birth to one born again Christian. The Bible is to be read with a spiritual state of mind, not a carnal one. Because God is a spirit, and a carnal mind can never comprehend Him.

So you are going to spiritualize everything away? The text is plain from the beginning there were two sides, it was shown early in Cain & Abel. One worshiped God His way, while the other worshiped God his own way.

 

[ElizabethPeter]

So you are going to spiritualize everything away? The text is plain from the beginning there were two sides, it was shown early in Cain & Abel. One worshiped God His way, while the other worshiped God his own way.

Yes, actually, I am. Everything in that Bible is meant to be spiritual. But that's something man can never comprehend. God isn't flesh. He's spirit. Are you really going to use your carnal mind to understand Him? Or are you going to surrender everything to Him, and ask and genuinely seek His help to guide you? Cause that's what I'm doing. I'm asking for help. Thousands of people read the Bible. Does that mean thousands of people are getting saved? No. It doesn't.

 

[Tintin]

Uh. No. Elizabeth, pain in childbirth means exactly that 'physical pain in childbirth'. The Bible holds great spiritual truths but much of it concerns and is grounded in a very real physical world. The Bible concerns both the physical and the spiritual, not just the spiritual.

 

[ElizabethPeter]

Understanding His word doesn't come from experience or what not. It comes from humility. If you seek Him, He will open up your eyes. But if you're so focused on doing what is right in this lifetime, then, there is no use. I can go t school and my Buddhist friends could teach me better in being a better human being. And that's just how it is.

 

[Laodicea]

Yes, actually, I am. Everything in that Bible is meant to be spiritual. But that's something man can never comprehend. God isn't flesh. He's spirit. Are you really going to use your carnal mind to understand Him? Or are you going to surrender everything to Him, and ask and genuinely seek His help to guide you? Cause that's what I'm doing. I'm asking for help. Thousands of people read the Bible. Does that mean thousands of people are getting saved? No. It doesn't.

So since you are going to spiritualize everything away, then what about creation was it literal or spiritual? The flood in Noah's time? tower of Babel? Is salvation literal or spiritual?