China reforms: One-child policy to be relaxed

[jimmydiggs]

China reforms: One-child policy to be relaxed

China is to relax its policy of
restricting most couples to having only a single child, state media say.

In future, families will be allowed two children if one parent is an only
child, the Xinhua news agency said.

The proposal follows this week's meeting of a key decision-making body of the
governing Communist Party.

Other reforms include the abolition of "re-education through labour" camps
and moves to boost the role of the private sector in the economy.

BBC News - China reforms: One-child policy to be relaxed


Good news I say.

 

[zone]

I KNOW!

this is AMAZING!!!!

YAY

 

[jimmydiggs]

I KNOW!

this is AMAZING!!!!

YAY

I suspect we'll see a lot more of this in the next couple decades. One of my friends from China said most of the businessmen and officials that are mid-level in Beijing are Christian. Stephen Tong from Indonesia is apparently very influential too.

 

[zone]

I suspect we'll see a lot more of this in the next couple decades. One of my friends from China said most of the businessmen and officials that are mid-level in Beijing are Christian. Stephen Tong from Indonesia is apparently very influential too.

this is very good, indeed.
that NUT Rockefeller said China under Mao was a greeeeeeeeeat success - the model society.

BUT is it the Church; the Lord prevailing?

YAY! AMEN! i love this story

 

[Coil]

I KNOW!

this is AMAZING!!!!

YAY

Why exactly do you think this is so amazing? I'm really asking not trying to attack..

I'm in China right now, and I have a bit of perspective about this issue.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Why exactly do you think this is so amazing? I'm really asking not trying to attack..

I'm in China right now, and I have a bit of perspective about this issue.

Let's start with this, and go from there.

Forced Abortion Statistics | All Girls Allowed

Additionally, why should we believe having children is evil? Why should government limit how many children a person can have?

Do tell, I'm all ears.

 

[DragonSlayer]

Unbelievable ! I didn't know women in China were suffering such unthinkable tortures !
And from my understanding of nwo agenda,
this dehumanizing policy is planned to be forced worldwide in a near future.

 

[Ritter]

If the Chinese realize that a smaller, less stringent, more localized approach to economic management is necessary to accommodate a free environment, friendly to the family structure...well, one of history's greatest ironies will be at work.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Unbelievable ! I didn't know women in China were suffering such unthinkable tortures !
And from my understanding of nwo agenda,
this dehumanizing policy is planned to be forced worldwide in a near future.

It won't be forced, it'll be begged for.

 

[Coil]

Let's start with this, and go from there.

Forced Abortion Statistics | All Girls Allowed

Additionally, why should we believe having children is evil? Why should government limit how many children a person can have?

Disclaimer: I don't necessarily whole-heartedly believe in the one child policy, but I think it's crudely misrepresented in the U.S.



I don't think the Chinese government thinks having children or siblings is evil. They enacted the policy because they saw the trajectory of their population reaching an unprecedented number. In order to effectively control resources and the poverty levels, the government enacted the policy in the 1970s. Since then, China has arguably moved more people out of poverty in such a short time than any civilization.

I agree that the policy had some negative effects, including infanticide and some government pressure on family's that had more than one child.

However, I think the video you posted and the overall western conception of the one child policy is a little skewed. It only applies to 30-40% of the urban Han population (not minorities or rural dwellers), and it IS possible to have more than one if the parents pay certain fees (I've heard about $20,000 worth). I actually know quite a few college aged people with siblings.

Maybe the forced abortion scenarios happened many years ago or are very isolated, but it's not as common as that video seems.

In terms of abortion, most estimates (some cited in the article below) estimate American women have more abortions per capita than Chinese women. Also, it's wrong to assume every family in China with one child had many abortions before that child, when you would never make that assumption with an American family with one child.


This article does a good job of explaining many aspects of the policy, and has citations.
HowStuffWorks "What is China's one-child policy?"

 

[Ritter]

Disclaimer: I don't necessarily whole-heartedly believe in the one child policy, but I think it's crudely misrepresented in the U.S.



I don't think the Chinese government thinks having children or siblings is evil. They enacted the policy because they saw the trajectory of their population reaching an unprecedented number. In order to effectively control resources and the poverty levels, the government enacted the policy in the 1970s. Since then, China has arguably moved more people out of poverty in such a short time than any civilization.

I agree that the policy had some negative effects, including infanticide and some government pressure on family's that had more than one child.

However, I think the video you posted and the overall western conception of the one child policy is a little skewed. It only applies to 30-40% of the urban Han population (not minorities or rural dwellers), and it IS possible to have more than one if the parents pay certain fees (I've heard about $20,000 worth). I actually know quite a few college aged people with siblings.

Maybe the forced abortion scenarios happened many years ago or are very isolated, but it's not as common as that video seems.

In terms of abortion, most estimates (some cited in the article below) estimate American women have more abortions per capita than Chinese women. Also, it's wrong to assume every family in China with one child had many abortions before that child, when you would never make that assumption with an American family with one child.


This article does a good job of explaining many aspects of the policy, and has citations.
HowStuffWorks "What is China's one-child policy?"

1. I think the results you reference (ie moving people out of poverty) is arguable and probably has more to do with shift to a market economy than it does an actual one-child policy.

The net effect of the policy alone appears to be negative. If they had expected a population bomb, they should have considered something in the way of emigration or colonization.

Not to mention the whole venture was morally wrong.

2. Do you think the college-age people with siblings that you do know are exceptionally wealthy?

3. The fact abortion and infanticide is not as common as we are led to believe is good to hear in any case. Thank you for your insider opinion. I know I learned a few things!

 

[zone]

If the Chinese realize that a smaller, less stringent, more localized approach to economic management is necessary to accommodate a free environment, friendly to the family structure...well, one of history's greatest ironies will be at work.

but....China is owned lock stock and barrel.

first thing you have to do is eradicate any memory of the ancient culture; the commonality of people.
then you send the Book keepers over from NY and teach them what to do.

after a little time to think over this announcement (relaxation of their one-child policy etc)....together with the sudden Iran negotiations and Putin hooking up with the pope....

...i think we're witnessing Act III.

....

China is slated to become the world police force when the USA is exhausted and bankrupt.
they may be getting a PR make-over.

time will tell.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I'm going to side with you on this issue and say there's more than a desirable number of modern humans on the planet for a truly balanced ecosystem and, of course, the Chinese are responsible for more than their fair share.

Birth control is a desirable and ultimately necessary method for controlling the world's human population and I am not against a blanket state policy of sterilizing both the mother and the father after the first child to achieve that balance.

Disclaimer: I don't necessarily whole-heartedly believe in the one child policy, but I think it's crudely misrepresented in the U.S.



I don't think the Chinese government thinks having children or siblings is evil. They enacted the policy because they saw the trajectory of their population reaching an unprecedented number. In order to effectively control resources and the poverty levels, the government enacted the policy in the 1970s. Since then, China has arguably moved more people out of poverty in such a short time than any civilization.

I agree that the policy had some negative effects, including infanticide and some government pressure on family's that had more than one child.

However, I think the video you posted and the overall western conception of the one child policy is a little skewed. It only applies to 30-40% of the urban Han population (not minorities or rural dwellers), and it IS possible to have more than one if the parents pay certain fees (I've heard about $20,000 worth). I actually know quite a few college aged people with siblings.

Maybe the forced abortion scenarios happened many years ago or are very isolated, but it's not as common as that video seems.

In terms of abortion, most estimates (some cited in the article below) estimate American women have more abortions per capita than Chinese women. Also, it's wrong to assume every family in China with one child had many abortions before that child, when you would never make that assumption with an American family with one child.


This article does a good job of explaining many aspects of the policy, and has citations.
HowStuffWorks "What is China's one-child policy?"

 

[zone]

I'm going to side with you on this issue and say there's more than a desirable number of modern humans on the planet for a truly balanced ecosystem and, of course, the Chinese are responsible for more than their fair share.

Birth control is a desirable and ultimately necessary method for controlling the world's human population and I am not against a blanket state policy of sterilizing both the mother and the father after the first child to achieve that balance.

like......this is a joke, right?

AoK?
tell me this is a joke.

i'll wait before totally defriending.

(i'm sure you're being ironic)....right?

 

[Drett]

I think before you make a comment on how others should be treated in another country, you should ask yourself first would you make the same comment if your children were living in that country.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I agree with you and I hope you're smart enough to realize that's exactly what I did before making the comment.

I think before you make a comment on how others should be treated in another country, you should ask yourself first would you make the same comment if your children were living in that country.

 

[jimmydiggs]

I'm going to side with you on this issue and say there's more than a desirable number of modern humans on the planet for a truly balanced ecosystem and, of course, the Chinese are responsible for more than their fair share.

Birth control is a desirable and ultimately necessary method for controlling the world's human population and I am not against a blanket state policy of sterilizing both the mother and the father after the first child to achieve that balance.

Are you serious?

Hide 'em all, 'cuz AOK is gonna get 'em all.

 

[jimmydiggs]

I think before you make a comment on how others should be treated in another country, you should ask yourself first would you make the same comment if your children were living in that country.

AOK seems to think that American babies are worth saving, but Chinese babies need to die.

 

[zone]

AOK seems to think that American babies are worth saving, but Chinese babies need to die.

wretched...horrible.

 

[jimmydiggs]

wretched...horrible.

Hence why I'm allergic to overrly nationalistic types.