Not Allowing Kids to Get Gifts at Christmas - - It's Wrong

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Where do we find a command to keep xmas? Only place I can find is here...


Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Jer 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
Jer 10:6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.
Jer 10:7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.
Jer 10:8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.
UMMM Perhaps if one puts it within the context of the WHOLE passage it would make more sense?

Jeremiah 10

Hear what the Lord says to you, people of Israel. 2 This is what the Lord says:
“Do not learn the ways of the nations
or be terrified by signs in the heavens,
though the nations are terrified by them.
3 For the practices of the peoples are worthless;
they cut a tree out of the forest,
and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.
4 They adorn it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so it will not totter.
5 Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field,
their idols cannot speak;
they must be carried
because they cannot walk.
Do not fear them;
they can do no harm
nor can they do any good.”


6 No one is like you, Lord;
you are great,
and your name is mighty in power.
7 Who should not fear you,
King of the nations?
This is your due.
Among all the wise leaders of the nations
and in all their kingdoms,
there is no one like you.

8 They are all senseless and foolish;
they are taught by worthless wooden idols.
9 Hammered silver is brought from Tarshish
and gold from Uphaz.
What the craftsman and goldsmith have made
is then dressed in blue and purple—
all made by skilled workers.

10 But the Lord is the true God;
he is the living God, the eternal King.
When he is angry, the earth trembles;
the nations cannot endure his wrath.

11 “Tell them this: ‘These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.’”[a]
12 But God made the earth by his power;
he founded the world by his wisdom
and stretched out the heavens by his understanding.
13 When he thunders, the waters in the heavens roar;
he makes clouds rise from the ends of the earth.
He sends lightning with the rain
and brings out the wind from his storehouses.

14 Everyone is senseless and without knowledge;
every goldsmith is shamed by his idols.
The images he makes are a fraud;
they have no breath in them.
15 They are worthless, the objects of mockery;
when their judgment comes, they will perish.

16 He who is the Portion of Jacob is not like these,
for he is the Maker of all things,
including Israel, the people of his inheritance—
the Lord Almighty is his name.


The passage is talking about making these



And not talking about cutting down a tree.
 

JaumeJ

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When an individual is not aware something he has done is a sin, it is not held against him. This alone should quiet down some of you. Now, if a person is honoring his Savior on what is called Christmas, I mean honoring Him and Him only, this also should quiet some of the nonsense coming here.

Yes, it is a fact there are pagan celebrations before Yeshua associated with what was imposed on believers by the church leaders of the time. Today none of that is general knowledge.

I do not make anything out of the 25th of December except honoring my Savior, no tree, no decorations, no gifts, nada, but the honor given Him by those who do believe they are honoring Him, I will not diminish by saying they are guilty of participating in anything pagan or satanic.

They are family in Yeshua. If people cannot see this, they are then under their own laws, something quite more heinous than their accusations of others.

Those who do celebrate Christmas as commemorating the birth of Christ, Yeshua, are not accusing anyone else of anything, so who is the heavy here?
 

p_rehbein

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anything we put ahead of God in our lives is an "idol." Doesn't matter what it is..........golden calf, home, car, work, money, whatever........if it takes precedence in our lives, it is an idol........celebrating Christmas is not idol worship.....that's just silly.

We who choose to celebrate the birth of Jesus, and choose to worship and praise God on a particular day are not putting that day ahead of Him..........rather we are putting Him ahead of that day. We are worshiping Him, and, not for nothing, but this is exactly what we are suppose to do.

December 25th is simply the day we choose to celebrate the birth of Christ, and praise God in worship, fellowship, and thanksgiving for His Only Begotten Son........

Show me where pagans celebrated as such........plueezzeee.......
 
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Haha people, do you live for everyday? Did you know that the days of the week are named after pagan gods and planets? Oh no! Guess what each day were a pagan worship for a false deity. Hypocrites, you call the days of the week by their pagan names but accuse people for honoring the Lord's birth on Christmas. Wait! The months of the year! Hypocrites! You call most of the months of the year by its pagan name but accuse people of satanic rituals for honoring the Lord's birth on Christmas!
 
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Haha people, do you live for everyday? Did you know that the days of the week are named after pagan gods and planets? Oh no! Guess what each day were a pagan worship for a false deity. Hypocrites, you call the days of the week by their pagan names but accuse people for honoring the Lord's birth on Christmas. Wait! The months of the year! Hypocrites! You call most of the months of the year by its pagan name but accuse people of satanic rituals for honoring the Lord's birth on Christmas!
Well to go further,if a decoration is an idol then hopefully for their sake's I hope they don't have any of these in their house per the definition of idol they are going by,they all have had a tree cut down,been fashioned by craftsmen,adorned and then fastened so they can't fall over.







Because by that definition these then would all be idols.


 

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Most people in the forum are well aware of the origins of the names of the days of the week and the names of the months.

They differ from the Hebrew, yes, people know this also. When I say Sunday, I am aware it is yom rishon, I know Tuesday is yom shenei, right up to Yom Shabbat. However we interact using the calendar in use around the world, except for a few nations.

When I read the Word, my references to days, months and years are those established by the Word, although I am not so up on it to give you historic dates without having to sit down and calculate them, but then you probably are not an expert at this either.

Yahweh is all mighty, not just very mighty, ALL. Do you not think He would have prevented the changes made by non-believers if it were His will.

Do not strain at the gnat. Look at everything, and above all, do not judge others because you have discovered a few facts that most everyone else already is well aware of.

Because I am moved to do this, I study Hebrew daily. I truly enjoy and love it. It is not a requirement for others to learn Hebrew, this is my choice and I love it. Will I go so far as to say a person not knowing Hebrew is pagan?

When people use the words for the weeks and months, they are simply speaking in the language they know, never giving a thought to the origin of the words. You see words are verbalized concepts. When people utter a name of a day or a month, their concept today is the order of the days according to the customs of today. They are not honoring any pagan gods, nor are they dishonoring Yahweh.

Trust Yahweh, for He is truly in charge, amen.




Haha people, do you live for everyday? Did you know that the days of the week are named after pagan gods and planets? Oh no! Guess what each day were a pagan worship for a false deity. Hypocrites, you call the days of the week by their pagan names but accuse people for honoring the Lord's birth on Christmas. Wait! The months of the year! Hypocrites! You call most of the months of the year by its pagan name but accuse people of satanic rituals for honoring the Lord's birth on Christmas!
 
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When I was child my parents gave me and my siblings gifts. We got gifts from Grandparents and Aunts, Uncles, etc. I'm not saying they did anything wrong, they followed tradition. However as an adult what I remember most about those Christmas times is the joy I felt being with my family. We sang songs, had traditional food, celebrated being together. I can remember some gifts that are long gone now, but I remember the time with them and I miss that. So presents are fun yes, but being together is more important.
 

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Haha people, do you live for everyday? Did you know that the days of the week are named after pagan gods and planets? Oh no! Guess what each day were a pagan worship for a false deity. Hypocrites, you call the days of the week by their pagan names but accuse people for honoring the Lord's birth on Christmas. Wait! The months of the year! Hypocrites! You call most of the months of the year by its pagan name but accuse people of satanic rituals for honoring the Lord's birth on Christmas!
Lemme see here, Christ was not born on December 25, but somewhere around the Feast of Trumpets (early fall). The wise men came to see Him in a house, He may have been as old as two years. There were more than one but we don't know the number, there could have been forty. Scripture carefully cloaks His exact birth date. Jesus Christ was the LORD of Jeremiah 10 and He says that decorating a tree is false worship. No one gave gifts to each other at His birth, the magicians (Magi) gave gifts to Him. They did not have a yule log, did not wassail (look into that) and the events around His birth led to great distress in the land...

Mat 2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
Mat 2:17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying,
Mat 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

Now explain to me again how all these false practices of today honor Christ.
 
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Most people in the forum are well aware of the origins of the names of the days of the week and the names of the months.

They differ from the Hebrew, yes, people know this also. When I say Sunday, I am aware it is yom rishon, I know Tuesday is yom shenei, right up to Yom Shabbat. However we interact using the calendar in use around the world, except for a few nations.

When I read the Word, my references to days, months and years are those established by the Word, although I am not so up on it to give you historic dates without having to sit down and calculate them, but then you probably are not an expert at this either.

Yahweh is all mighty, not just very mighty, ALL. Do you not think He would have prevented the changes made by non-believers if it were His will.

Do not strain at the gnat. Look at everything, and above all, do not judge others because you have discovered a few facts that most everyone else already is well aware of.

Because I am moved to do this, I study Hebrew daily. I truly enjoy and love it. It is not a requirement for others to learn Hebrew, this is my choice and I love it. Will I go so far as to say a person not knowing Hebrew is pagan?

When people use the words for the weeks and months, they are simply speaking in the language they know, never giving a thought to the origin of the words. You see words are verbalized concepts. When people utter a name of a day or a month, their concept today is the order of the days according to the customs of today. They are not honoring any pagan gods, nor are they dishonoring Yahweh.

Trust Yahweh, for He is truly in charge, amen.
My post was a counter to those who condemn us for celebrating Christmas. One of these "brothers" strains thin air by making judgements on people for worshipping idols, like calling YHWH the name God or Lord. Stirring up the men and women in the faith into carrying heavy burdens on them. I've known these days and months, so when someone wants to condemn those who practice worship to the Almighty in their liberality, they aren't showing love. Those who don't love their brothers aren't from God, John made that clear. Don't overestimate people here, some here I know very well in their character, and they don't know this.
 

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Because by that definition these then would all be idols.
that is cool.
i wonder which part the deity speaks out of:confused:
maybe you turn that green handle or summink.
 
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Lemme see here, Christ was not born on December 25, but somewhere around the Feast of Trumpets (early fall). The wise men came to see Him in a house, He may have been as old as two years. There were more than one but we don't know the number, there could have been forty. Scripture carefully cloaks His exact birth date. Jesus Christ was the LORD of Jeremiah 10 and He says that decorating a tree is false worship. No one gave gifts to each other at His birth, the magicians (Magi) gave gifts to Him. They did not have a yule log, did not wassail (look into that) and the events around His birth led to great distress in the land...

Mat 2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
Mat 2:17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying,
Mat 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

Now explain to me again how all these false practices of today honor Christ.
Apparently someone didn't read Sarah's post. We aren't making an idol. It may have not been on His actual birthday, but with our liberality, we have the right to honor God.
 

john832

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Apparently someone didn't read Sarah's post. We aren't making an idol. It may have not been on His actual birthday, but with our liberality, we have the right to honor God.
Hmmm. we don't know when Christ was born, we don't know who came to see and when, we think certain practices are acceptable even though Christ, Himself, calls them abominations and yet we proclaim we are honoring Him?
 
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Hmmm. we don't know when Christ was born, we don't know who came to see and when, we think certain practices are acceptable even though Christ, Himself, calls them abominations and yet we proclaim we are honoring Him?
So remembering His birth and fellowshipping together to commemorate His coming, is an abomination? I don't have a scrub to wash your defiled conscience clean. Seek God, you who transgress against a brother.
 

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Hmmm. we don't know when Christ was born, we don't know who came to see and when, we think certain practices are acceptable even though Christ, Himself, calls them abominations and yet we proclaim we are honoring Him?
can i spray that fake snow through a stencil on the window to make a snowflake pattern?

or no:confused:....is that an abomination?

a-a-a-a-a-anyhow.

would you like a cookie?




i'm 99% sure they weren't sacrificed to idols.
 
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Hmmm. we don't know when Christ was born, we don't know who came to see and when, we think certain practices are acceptable even though Christ, Himself, calls them abominations and yet we proclaim we are honoring Him?
HMMM Let's see if I remember correctly the angels were there,shepherds who were watching there flocks,Magi who left their homes and families to follow a star,Simeon and Anna at the temple,all proclaiming the birth of the Messiah and newborn King. What's not to be excited about the beginning of the fulfillment of God's promise to set His people free through this one small child whom would grow up and then be crucified for our sins and our salvation? :confused:
 
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I don't know maybe it's me but I think God thought it was important enough to send a host of angles to proclaim His birth and to actually set a star in the sky to point the way. :)
 

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So remembering His birth and fellowshipping together to commemorate His coming, is an abomination? I don't have a scrub to wash your defiled conscience clean. Seek God, you who transgress against a brother.
Not what I said. What I said was that God condemns certain abominable practices that most follow at xmas time. Just as an aside, I am not Catholic and do not celebrate the mass of Christ anyhoo.
 
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I have an adult nephew (35 years old) who is married, with two daughters (ages 9 and 7). A few years ago his church announced that it was wrong to exchange gifts at Christmas. Claimed it took away from the true meaning of Christmas. As such, his girls no longer get gifts at Christmas. I feel really bad for them. This guy has a good heart, but is making a huge mistake. Your kids only get one childhood. I feel bad because one day he'll wake up and realize that it was a mistake to rob these kids of Christmas.

I need some advice. Should I talk to the guy and try to change his mind? If so, what should I say?
I loved Christmas growing up and still enjoy decorating the tree and watching the lights! I never believed in Sana clause or was I taught that Christmas was Christ's birthday but I loved the stories and gifts and plays at school. It was just a joyful holiday for me and my family and families I grew up with. Have your nephew to show you scriptures that Christmas is Christ's birthday. Maybe ask how Christmas holiday came about? Anywhere you work in the US you usually have Christmas off, it is a national holiday. If you work you participate in the Christmas holiday. Just a thought.

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You were very convincing. Thanks.............jack

My post was a counter to those who condemn us for celebrating Christmas. One of these "brothers" strains thin air by making judgements on people for worshipping idols, like calling YHWH the name God or Lord. Stirring up the men and women in the faith into carrying heavy burdens on them. I've known these days and months, so when someone wants to condemn those who practice worship to the Almighty in their liberality, they aren't showing love. Those who don't love their brothers aren't from God, John made that clear. Don't overestimate people here, some here I know very well in their character, and they don't know this.