Compassion and the Republican Party of the USA

[RedTent]

What never ceases to amaze me is that only 50% of the US population actually pays income taxes (yes Romney was accurate in what he said). Soooo 50% of us are supporting the other 50%.

What irritates me is that most of those people I know that are on food stamps can afford big screen TV's, but need government assistance to buy food.

f you watch the grocery carts of those buying with food stamps, they almost always are the part of the population who knows nothing about supplying the needs of their family. They seem to insist on buying only food that gives the least nutrition for the dollar. it is part of not being a Christian nation, for making the best of what God gives us is part of most Christian's mind set. Christian values are not those reflected in our world today.

Our government is not giving us religious freedom, it is distorting the very meaning of this. It is taking over every aspect of our lives to devote it to paganism and humanism. We are not even free to run our own churches, for we have to watch we follow pagan rules of tolerance. That is a catchword for saying we must follow pagan rules in our churches before scripture rules. All areas of our world are said to be under government rules of no scripture allowed. If pagans are allowed to practice anywhere, we are told we can't.

 

[Huckleberry]

The Republican Party of the USA, seemingly controlled by the Tea Party, seems to be good at standing on principle, which I respect. However, does the Tea Party demonstrate enough compassion, and can they win a national election (the presidency) if they don’t?

I reject your whole seeming premise.
If the Tea Party controlled the Republican Party,
we wouldn't have had Mitt Romney shoved down our throat.
The Republican establishment anointed him the nominee.
If the Tea Party were the establishment,
the nominee would have been Paul Ryan or Tim Pawlenty.
There is one, count 'em, one reason that Mitt Romney is not the President of the United States.


Unfortunately, in the way that GWB gave us BHO,
BHO will give us whatever Republican that can raise the most
money and get the endorsement (anointment) of the RNC.
I can't see the next president being a DemonicRat

Principle is irrelevant. The Constitution is impotent.
The Book has already been written. Share the Good News.

 

[RickyZ]

Here's the compassion of the Republican party:

1. Give 95% of all new wealth to 1% of the population.

2. Tell them they don't have to pay taxes on it.

3. Give the other 5% of the people jobs with no living pay, healthcare or retirement.

4. Then ponder in awe why we have so many poor destitute people sucking off the starving government teat.

 

[Ritter]

Here's the compassion of the Republican party:

1. Give 95% of all new wealth to 1% of the population.

2. Tell them they don't have to pay taxes on it.

3. Give the other 5% of the people jobs with no living pay, healthcare or retirement.

4. Then ponder in awe why we have so many poor destitute people sucking off the starving government teat.

Your argument presupposes our economic system operates like Scrooge McDuck's vault.

 

[jimmydiggs]

I reject your whole seeming premise.
If the Tea Party controlled the Republican Party,
we wouldn't have had Mitt Romney shoved down our throat.
The Republican establishment anointed him the nominee.
If the Tea Party were the establishment,
the nominee would have been Paul Ryan or Tim Pawlenty.
There is one, count 'em, one reason that Mitt Romney is not the President of the United States.
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Unfortunately, in the way that GWB gave us BHO,
BHO will give us whatever Republican that can raise the most
money and get the endorsement (anointment) of the RNC.
I can't see the next president being a DemonicRat

Principle is irrelevant. The Constitution is impotent.
The Book has already been written. Share the Good News.

Pawlenty is more of a moderate or center-right moderate.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Your argument presupposes our economic system operates like Scrooge McDuck's vault.

It totally is though.

 

[RickyZ]

Your argument presupposes our economic system operates like Scrooge McDuck's vault.

No it presupposes that rich people don't create prosperity, consumers do. But no one's consuming because our economy is being damed up by greed and money hording fat cats. AKA Republicans.

Let me put it another way -

Suppose you and 9 of your friends order a 10 slice pizza, and the first guy to the table takes 9 1/2 slices. You wouldn't stand for that. So why is it ok when it comes to our economy?

 

[jimmydiggs]

No it presupposes that rich people don't create prosperity, consumers do. But no one's consuming because our economy is being damed up by greed and money hording fat cats. AKA Republicans.

Consumerism is worldly. Be wary of its entangling snares.

Let me put it another way -

Suppose you and 9 of your friends order a 10 slice pizza, and the first guy to the table takes 9 1/2 slices. You wouldn't stand for that. So why is it ok when it comes to our economy?

The problem with your analogy is you're forgetting the part where the guy who take 9 1/2 slices also built the pizza place, the ovens, financed the contractors who built the building, installed the lighting, electricty, etc.

Could he take less slices? yeah. Three would be enough to cover expenses and make a profit. There's nothing immoral about it though as long as workers are justly compensated for their work.

Still don't like it? Then get a house, an oven, and some pizza ingredients and make your own pizza. Who knows, maybe you'll succeed at ousting the guy before you from the marketplace because you were able to sell your pizzas and only take two slices since you already paid for the house to live in. Of course, then you'll probably be on here trying to explain to someone the fallacy of complaining about the fact that you take two pizzas instead of being a good commie*.


* If you want to share what you've been blessed with, please do, but Jesus commanded YOU to do it, not to steal it from someone else.

There's a reason it always ends with this:

Matthew 6:3
But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,


Exodus 20:17
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”


Phillipans 4:12
I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want.


By all means, do criticize the greed, but don't let it be motivated by your own lust for others property.

 

[JimJimmers]

No it presupposes that rich people don't create prosperity, consumers do. But no one's consuming because our economy is being damed up by greed and money hording fat cats. AKA Republicans.

What do you consider George Soros? Or Warren Buffet?

 

[jimmydiggs]

What do you consider George Soros? Or Warren Buffet?

Anyone who is not a member of the proletariat class is a Bourgeois Republican.

 

[Ritter]

No it presupposes that rich people don't create prosperity, consumers do. But no one's consuming because our economy is being damed up by greed and money hording fat cats. AKA Republicans.

Let me put it another way -

Suppose you and 9 of your friends order a 10 slice pizza, and the first guy to the table takes 9 1/2 slices. You wouldn't stand for that. So why is it ok when it comes to our economy?

What about the person who is making the pizza that they are all paying? The person who crafted the tools necessary to make the pizza? The ability for all at the table to go home and make more pizza?

Economies are made up of people cooperating and competing to meet the wants and needs of others. The simplistic view you are propagating calls for equally simplistic action. Actions professional politicians of both parties make that curb investment and thus impoverish the consumer and producer alike.

 

[Huckleberry]

No it presupposes that rich people don't create prosperity, consumers do. But no one's consuming because our economy is being damed up by greed and money hording fat cats. AKA Republicans.

People are consuming.

One benefit of the economy dumping is that some
people have decided to start being fiscally responsible.

They're not buying stuff they don't need with money
they don't have to impress people they don't like.
(Dave Ramsey saying)

Your doom & gloom outlook is that of someone who thinks they are owed something.
Rich people don't owe you or me squat.
Most millionaires are self made.
They acted responsibly and with discipline.
You want more money? Work more, spend less. Pretty simple.

Concerning the super-rich, that class transcends national politics.
We're talking about people who work for Satan whether they know it or not.
They will control the world and the money until Christ returns.
Fighting them is futile. Don't know why anyone would waste their time doing so.

Suppose you and 9 of your friends order a 10 slice pizza, and the first guy to the table takes 9 1/2 slices. You wouldn't stand for that. So why is it ok when it comes to our economy?

Ditch that friend and order another pizza.
Wealth is not finite.
It's out there for those who determine themselves to build it.

 

[Huckleberry]

...no one's consuming because our economy is being damed up by greed and money hording fat cats. AKA Republicans.

I just noticed you're 56.

Haven't you spent enough of your life screaming "Not Fair! Not Fair!"?

If you're in a bad place financially, it's most likely your own fault.

 

[SonInMe]

who is giving rich people money? ( its called earning it )

What do rich people do with their money? ( They spend it )

Who makes the stuff they buy? ( It ain't Obama and his ilk )

If you worked a hundred hours a week to build a business into a success, with all the sacrifices that would include, do you think said evil rich ( and we also know white ) person would just let it rot? Course not. He/she would invest into it, grow it HIRE MORE PEOPLE, and insure its success.

So this evil rich guy provides jobs in a number of ways for us middle income people and inovations that make our lives better and easier...your political belief wants to punish them, take their monies ( which could provide us with more jobns ) and filter it through a wasteful government that empowers the LIBERAL ELITE who truly are your enemy, and in doing so costs you your job....???

I mean.....????????????? The redistribution of wealth the left so craves and calls social jusitce?

IT CREATES THE POVERTY YOU CLAIM TO HATE AND EMPOWERS A FEW PEOPLE WITH MONEY AND INFLUENCE....ANOTHER THING YOU CLAIM TO HATE.

Its absolutely amazing. The exact thing liberals say theya re against are the exact things their policies not only cause...

THE POLITICAL ENTITIES PROMOTING LIBERALISM MUST HAVE RACISM AND POVERTY TO HAVE THEIR POWER.

I should thank our president for making liberalism so clear cut the last few years.

Its been exposed. There is no excuse. To follow liberal principles is the definition of hypocrisy.

Compassion is the tool the liberal ideologues use to get well meaning people to follow them. You make yourself feel good by believing in liberalism because it helps people. Essentially...its selfish. You let your emotions dictate very poor policies that create the exact things you say you do not like.

amazing

 

[RickyZ]

I just noticed you're 56.

Haven't you spent enough of your life screaming "Not Fair! Not Fair!"?

If you're in a bad place financially, it's most likely your own fault.

Actually I'm in the 86%, I'm doing fine thank you. What I worry about is the 85% below me, 56% of whom live in poverty because they haven't had an effective raise since 1970. You actually remember the poor, don't you, you all speak of them enough. I don't think "fend for yourself" was ever in Jesus' words to them. What do you think creates poor people, other than the lack of decent paying jobs? Yeah laziness accounts for some of it, but I know a lot of very motivated people who can't support themselves because there's NO MONEY FLOWING THROUGH THE ECONOMY. And that is because it is all being damed up at the top. What happens to the people downstream when you dam up a river? Tell them all to go dig their own well? What do people who can't support themselves do when they can't support themselves? They go on the government dole. So you either pay for them in good wages, or you pay for them in higher taxes. Which poison do you really prefer? Wages cost much less than government.

And yeah, the guy who buys the pizza oven and builds the store deserves his share. But what are the oven and store going to do for him when his own employees can't afford to buy pizza? Even Henry Ford recognized this one way back when. Too bad so very few of you share his vision.

Geez people, buy a vowel. Oh yeah, that's right. Far too many of you can't afford to. And that worries me.

Here some stats as reported in the LA Times October 11th 2013 as to why that is:

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Per the Credit Suisse Research Institute October 2013 Report

The richest 1% own 46% of the world’s wealth
The richest 10% own 86% of the world’s wealth
The remaining 90% share 14% of the world’s wealth

Average adult wealth Switzerland - $513k
Average adult wealth Australia - $403k
Average adult wealth Norway - $513k
Average adult wealth Luxembourg - $513k
Average adult wealth US - $301k, noting the figure is skewed due to the US having the most ‘ultra-high net worth’ individuals with over $50 million in assets. The US accounts for 46% of these individuals. Second is China with 6%

Worldwide population is about 7,000,000,000.
The number of millionaires worldwide has risen by almost 2 million since mid 2012
There are about 99,000 people worth $50 million or more.
67% of the remainer (or 4,666,600,667) have less than $10,000, or 3% of the world’s wealth

*

Wealth inequality reached highest peaks in 1928 and 2007 (top 1% accounting for 25% of all income)
Marginal tax rates topped at 25% in the 1920’s
Marginal tax rates topped at 35% in 2007
The economy tanked in 1929 and 2008
The marginal tax rates in the prosperous 1950’s topped at 91% under President Eisenhower

*

US CEOs averaged $12.3 million in 2012
This is 354 times the average workers compensation (AFL_CIO)
US CEOs averaged 42 times the average workers compensation in 1982

*

Consumer spending accounts for 70% of all economic activity

***

I will give you one thing, Hunkleberry, our generation sure did a fine job of raising selfish, shortsighted successors.

Jesus never hoarded money. In fact He bemoaned that in the world the rich will get richer and the poor poorer. I find it curious that you all support the practice.

 

[RickyZ]

We're talking about people who work for Satan whether they know it or not.
They will control the world and the money until Christ returns.
Fighting them is futile. Don't know why anyone would waste their time doing so.

Well, true, but by that mindset all the world's governments are but another stepping stone towards the ultimate antichrist government. So why waste our time fighting that by hoping our leaders will be Christian? Is that not futile too?

And why support people who work for Satan whether they know it or not, and who will control the world and the money until Christ returns?

You've got it turned around, it's not jealousy. It's concern for the huge numbers of you who are being strangled by satanic motives. You all should be concerned for that too instead of praising it.

 

[zone]

The Republican Party of the USA, seemingly controlled by the Tea Party, seems to be good at standing on principle, which I respect. However, does the Tea Party demonstrate enough compassion, and can they win a national election (the presidency) if they don’t?

the tea party appears to have become a caricature of reactionary self-destruction.
i don't think the GOP is controlled by the tea party.
the GOP is controlled by Wall Street.

 

[jimmydiggs]

What about the person who is making the pizza that they are all paying? The person who crafted the tools necessary to make the pizza? The ability for all at the table to go home and make more pizza?

Economies are made up of people cooperating and competing to meet the wants and needs of others. The simplistic view you are propagating calls for equally simplistic action. Actions professional politicians of both parties make that curb investment and thus impoverish the consumer and producer alike.

It's actually interestingly enough a bit of a folk mercantilism.

 

[SonInMe]

Actually I'm in the 86%, I'm doing fine thank you. What I worry about is the 85% below me, 56% of whom live in poverty because they haven't had an effective raise since 1970. You actually remember the poor, don't you, you all speak of them enough. I don't think "fend for yourself" was ever in Jesus' words to them. What do you think creates poor people, other than the lack of decent paying jobs? Yeah laziness accounts for some of it, but I know a lot of very motivated people who can't support themselves because there's NO MONEY FLOWING THROUGH THE ECONOMY. And that is because it is all being damed up at the top. What happens to the people downstream when you dam up a river? Tell them all to go dig their own well? What do people who can't support themselves do when they can't support themselves? They go on the government dole. So you either pay for them in good wages, or you pay for them in higher taxes. Which poison do you really prefer? Wages cost much less than government.

And yeah, the guy who buys the pizza oven and builds the store deserves his share. But what are the oven and store going to do for him when his own employees can't afford to buy pizza? Even Henry Ford recognized this one way back when. Too bad so very few of you share his vision.

Geez people, buy a vowel. Oh yeah, that's right. Far too many of you can't afford to. And that worries me.

Here some stats as reported in the LA Times October 11th 2013 as to why that is:

*

Per the Credit Suisse Research Institute October 2013 Report

The richest 1% own 46% of the world’s wealth
The richest 10% own 86% of the world’s wealth
The remaining 90% share 14% of the world’s wealth

Average adult wealth Switzerland - $513k
Average adult wealth Australia - $403k
Average adult wealth Norway - $513k
Average adult wealth Luxembourg - $513k
Average adult wealth US - $301k, noting the figure is skewed due to the US having the most ‘ultra-high net worth’ individuals with over $50 million in assets. The US accounts for 46% of these individuals. Second is China with 6%

Worldwide population is about 7,000,000,000.
The number of millionaires worldwide has risen by almost 2 million since mid 2012
There are about 99,000 people worth $50 million or more.
67% of the remainer (or 4,666,600,667) have less than $10,000, or 3% of the world’s wealth

*

Wealth inequality reached highest peaks in 1928 and 2007 (top 1% accounting for 25% of all income)
Marginal tax rates topped at 25% in the 1920’s
Marginal tax rates topped at 35% in 2007
The economy tanked in 1929 and 2008
The marginal tax rates in the prosperous 1950’s topped at 91% under President Eisenhower

*

US CEOs averaged $12.3 million in 2012
This is 354 times the average workers compensation (AFL_CIO)
US CEOs averaged 42 times the average workers compensation in 1982

*

Consumer spending accounts for 70% of all economic activity

***

I will give you one thing, Hunkleberry, our generation sure did a fine job of raising selfish, shortsighted successors.

Jesus never hoarded money. In fact He bemoaned that in the world the rich will get richer and the poor poorer. I find it curious that you all support the practice.

Marxist alert

 

[SonInMe]

the tea party appears to have become a caricature of reactionary self-destruction.
i don't think the GOP is controlled by the tea party.
the GOP is controlled by Wall Street.

Funny how the majority of corporate political contributions go to the democrat party though and the policies of the liberal left punish small businesses the most creating an almost monopoly for the big corporations who can handle the huge tax and regulation increase by laying off employees, lowering wages and limiting new hires.