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tdrew777
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eternally-gratefull
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lol again? how many times do we have to go through this..
1. In you shall all the nations of the world be blessed (salvic, part one. given to ALL nations, jew or greek)
2. I give to you and your descendants this land as an ETERNAL inheritance in ALL their generations. as a gift (given only to the children through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and his 12 sons.
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eternally-gratefull
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it can only be if there were two parts to the covenant. and lev 26 still stands.
otherwise. it can not be. because the enemy of the church because of the gospel. would not still be called elect because of the fathers promises.
paul explains it well.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.The gift given by God to the fathers, and thus from the fathers to them, are irrevocable. they still stand.
EG - the elect was beloved for the Fathers' sake.
the rest were blinded.
due to rebellion and rejection.
Paul said he hoped he could save some of them.
i imagine he did.
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eternally-gratefull
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true. yet even under the time of moses to Christ, that covenant did not save anyone. thus it was useless to do anything but what it does for us today, which is be a schoolmaster.
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eternally-gratefull
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zone. Paul calles them our enemy and elect in the same breath. why do you ignore this?
those elect for eternal life, i agree with you.
but this is NOT what Paul is talking about in verse 28. they are elect not for salvation, but for the fathers. totally different election!
yes, I am sure he did. and he still is even today by his words. but that is not what verse 28 is talking about.
i showed you all 3 promises were fulfilled.
Galatians 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
no exceptions.
you still think ALL israel means all people who identify with or as Israel. we know that isn't so.
Paul said IN THIS WAY All Israel will be saved: in what way?
look back in the passage: God has reserved to Himself a remnant.
that's the way in which all Israel who would be saved was and will be saved.
by grace.
not by RACE.
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eternally-gratefull
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No you did not. You continue to show how one aspect of the covenant was fulfilled.
As for ALL Isreal.
in context of the passage, All Israel would be All Israel. which would include those who are currently blinbded, and those who are saved.
Paul warns us not to be proud and think we are above them. Why would he warn gentile Christians about this?
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eternally-gratefull
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lol. Why did Israel reject Christ?
They are placing saving faith in part of the covenant which had nothing to do with salvation.
Does that mean that covenant is no longer binding? God said forever, did he mean it or not? if he did not. Then we should be scared to death. because forever, or eternal does not mean forever.
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tdrew777
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So in addition to the covenant of salvation, there is a covenant about land given, unconditionally, to the physical descendants of Abraham. Could you give references?
Is this land covenant tied into Gen 12:1-3?
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eternally-gratefull
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Gen 12:
12 Now the Lord had said to Abram:“Get out of your country,From your familyAnd from your father’s house,To a land that I will show you.[SUP]2 [/SUP]I will make you a great nation; (singular nation. not many nations. one. In the land he will show him)
Gen 13:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Lord said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him: “Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are—northward, southward, eastward, and westward; [SUP]15 [/SUP]for all the land which you see I give to you and your descendants FOREVER.
if forever does not mean forever. we are in trouble. because it does not mean forever to us either.
Gen 15:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces. [SUP]18 [/SUP]On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— [SUP]19 [/SUP]the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, [SUP]20 [/SUP]the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, [SUP]21 [/SUP]the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”
Gen 17:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an EVERLASTING possession; and I will be their God.”
4 places. four times God told abraham, he gave him, and his descendants after him (through Isaac) the land of canaan FOREVER.
Why people question this, and thus God, is beyond me!
NONE of the things I posted abopve had to do with salvation of jews, Isreal. or Any Gentile. It was NOT A SALVIC COVENANT/.
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overcomer2
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(Romans 11)
Why are they enemies, and elect Because:
Not all the Jews have turned away from God; there are a few being saved as a result of God’s kindness in choosing them. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And if it is by God’s kindness, then it is not by their being good enough. For in that case the free gift would no longer be free—it isn’t free when it is earned.[SUP]7 [/SUP]So this is the situation: Most of the Jews have not found the favor of God they are looking for. A few have—the ones God has picked out—but the eyes of the others have been blinded. [SUP]8 [/SUP]This is what our Scriptures refer to when they say that God has put them to sleep, shutting their eyes and ears so that they do not understand what we are talking about when we tell them of Christ.
Does this mean that God has rejected his Jewish people forever? Of course not! His purpose was to make his salvation available to the Gentiles, and then the Jews would be jealous and begin to want God’s salvation for themselves.
Why are they enemies, and elect Because:
Not all the Jews have turned away from God; there are a few being saved as a result of God’s kindness in choosing them. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And if it is by God’s kindness, then it is not by their being good enough. For in that case the free gift would no longer be free—it isn’t free when it is earned.[SUP]7 [/SUP]So this is the situation: Most of the Jews have not found the favor of God they are looking for. A few have—the ones God has picked out—but the eyes of the others have been blinded. [SUP]8 [/SUP]This is what our Scriptures refer to when they say that God has put them to sleep, shutting their eyes and ears so that they do not understand what we are talking about when we tell them of Christ.
Does this mean that God has rejected his Jewish people forever? Of course not! His purpose was to make his salvation available to the Gentiles, and then the Jews would be jealous and begin to want God’s salvation for themselves.
Psa 32:1
A Psalm of David, Maschil. Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Psa 32:2
Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
Psa 32:3
When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.
Psa 32:4
For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.
Psa 32:5
I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.
Speaking of Jews, rather descendants of Israel, being saved, consider the words of King David above. Yeshua, Jesus, was not yet known in the flesh, nor His unsurpassable sacrifice for our sins, the guilt of our trespasses that is.
I will not say there are Jews who know this manner of being in the sight of Yahweh, but I cannot discount there are not some. I do not know, but I do know our Father is good, merciful and He is love. His ways are not the ways of man, and they are unfathomable.
Let us all have mercy on all others, above all Jews, for we do not know, and it has not yet been given to the saints to judge.
What I do know is this, the chosen people of Yahweh are those who make up His Israel. This is all flocks belonging to the Shepherd, Yeshua. He will never turn His back on Israel, and if you have any insight, you already know I do not speak of the Israel of this age.
A Psalm of David, Maschil. Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Psa 32:2
Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
Psa 32:3
When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.
Psa 32:4
For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.
Psa 32:5
I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.
Speaking of Jews, rather descendants of Israel, being saved, consider the words of King David above. Yeshua, Jesus, was not yet known in the flesh, nor His unsurpassable sacrifice for our sins, the guilt of our trespasses that is.
I will not say there are Jews who know this manner of being in the sight of Yahweh, but I cannot discount there are not some. I do not know, but I do know our Father is good, merciful and He is love. His ways are not the ways of man, and they are unfathomable.
Let us all have mercy on all others, above all Jews, for we do not know, and it has not yet been given to the saints to judge.
What I do know is this, the chosen people of Yahweh are those who make up His Israel. This is all flocks belonging to the Shepherd, Yeshua. He will never turn His back on Israel, and if you have any insight, you already know I do not speak of the Israel of this age.
Watch this video and I believe you will have a much fuller understanding who are the heirs of the promises?
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Romans 8:17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Do these promises apply to gentiles today
[h=3]Genesis 12[/h]King James Version (KJV)
12 Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
[h=3]Genesis 12[/h]King James Version (KJV)
12 Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Let's try this again. Sorry, messed up on attaching video.
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