What is Dispensationalism?

[eternally-gratefull]

The KJV has no mistakes.

It has many

God's word cannot have mistakes or errors.

the origional autographs, Inspired by God did not
The many interpretations, and copies, Written by men with their own biases and formed opinions, and the language issues, do.

Just humble yourself and submit to God's Book.

The KJV is not Gods book, it is an interpretation of his book. Humble yourself and admit this.

Also one of the very definitions of "extinct" means: no longer in use.

Yep. to the laymen, the language is extinct.

Therefore the beautiful language of the King James Bible is NOT extinct. There are still thousands upon thousands of saved people who use and read from the Authorized King James Bible.

And there are thousands upon thousands (maybe millions?) who have never seen a KJV and would never read one, yet still have the word of God in their hearts.

 

[PeteWaldo]

What is dispensationalism?

In the study of a compilation of 66 books written by 40 different authors over the course of 1500 years, it is essential to determine a framework for interpretation.

And since virtually all Jews and Christians understand Old Testament prophecy was fulfilled through the traditional historicist approach (as did the church up until the 19th century for New Testament prophecy), there would be no reason for us to expect that New Testament prophecy would be fulfilled in a different fashion, if it hadn't been for the eschatologies of futurism and preterism that began to come into vogue in the 19th century church.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...onal-approach-historicism-bible-prophecy.html

Besides which John Darby's 19th century dispensational scheme cannot be reconciled with the Gospel:
FUTURISM AND DISPENSATIONALISM

 

[zone]

Do you prefer the term supersessionism?
REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY OR SUPERSESSIONISM

you may have handed over your inheritance - that's your problem.

your cheap tricks might intimidate others into doing likewise.

not if i can help it, though.

 

[zone]

And since virtually all Jews and Christians understand Old Testament prophecy was fulfilled through the traditional historicist approach .......

if jews understood that they'd be christians.

why do you keep trying to smuggle unregenerate people into the Household of God?

Dual Covenant sleight-of-hand.....what's your gospel Pete?

does anyone who denies the Son have the Father?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And since virtually all Jews and Christians understand Old Testament prophecy was fulfilled through the traditional historicist approach (as did the church up until the 19th century for New Testament prophecy), there would be no reason for us to expect that New Testament prophecy would be fulfilled in a different fashion, if it hadn't been for the eschatologies of futurism and preterism that began to come into vogue in the 19th century church.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...onal-approach-historicism-bible-prophecy.html

Besides which John Darby's 19th century dispensational scheme cannot be reconciled with the Gospel:
FUTURISM AND DISPENSATIONALISM

lol. Nice try. the church of rome took most belief systems of the early church and twisted them. anyone who believed otherwise were considered heretics and martyred by the church.

this 19th century crap is old. many people went back to pre roman church beliefs, because rome lost its power.

by your very argument, salvation by grace through faith alone is only a 19th century belief. and was never believed before.

 

[BradC]

how's the definition of Dispensationalism coming along (in this thread)?

Shall I refresh your recollection!

In general there are not rules against replying to threads and such.
But on the other hand, just hypothetically speaking here, just for the purpose of having an example.

If someone is an anti-dispensationalist, and they have posted a ton already on the forums about said views - Maybe if they see a thread started by a dispensationalist that looks like it's meant to be an in house type of discussion - Maybe they could grant said dispensationalists the ability to have said in house discussion without said objections that you've already posted a ton on the forum already?

And maybe the same could be done if an anti-dispensationalist creates a thread too?

Again this isn't a rule.
But maybe it could be a courtesy type thing?
I'm not typing this as ADMIN 1still_waters.
It's just a suggestion that may help in keeping things more peaceful.

yup no prob.
it didn't look like an in-house type thing.
but i already left that thread.
i just be postin on the one i started.

 

[zone]

Shall I refresh your recollection!

I know how it works. It was a request, but you don't have to honor it if you so choose.

the request was to let others express themselves.
they were, weren't they?

still's post said it wasn't a hard rule.

but, if you don't want me to post AT ALL here. i hereby agree.

i ask you not post on my threads also. this is a new system, seems to be working well.
deal? or no deal




j.k. Red33 - do whatevah you want. come on over to my thread anytime. really.

 

[BradC]

the request was to let others express themselves.
they were, weren't they?

still's post said it wasn't a hard rule.

but, if you don't want me to post AT ALL here. i hereby agree.

i ask you not post on my threads also. this is a new system, seems to be working well.
deal? or no deal




j.k. Red33 - do whatevah you want. come on over to my thread anytime. really.

You won't have to be concerned with me, it's not my thing.
BradC

 

[ChosenbyHim]

It has many

It has NONE.

the origional autographs, Inspired by God did not
The many interpretations, and copies, Written by men with their own biases and formed opinions, and the language issues, do.

The Original Autographs are not around. We don't have them.

The KJV is not Gods book, it is an interpretation of his book. Humble yourself and admit this.

The King James Bible is God's Book. And you need to submit to it and its Authority.


And stop trying to usurp your authoirty and intellect over it.

Yep. to the laymen, the language is extinct.

Nope. It is not extinct. It is the saved laymen and common people which understand the King James Bible the most.


But the "highly educated" and "highly esteemed" and the "highly renowned" scholars are the ones which seem to have a hardest understanding God's precious word.


It may be because the "educated" scholars don't tremble at God's word. They don't hold it in a high regard.

And there are thousands upon thousands (maybe millions?) who have never seen a KJV and would never read one, yet still have the word of God in their hearts.

Do you have any idea at all about all the languages which the King James Bible has been translated in since its first printing?

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Of and relating to Dispensation

Basically - (oikonomia) refers to the act of administering. The word was used of management or administration of a household. When used in the NT it is either the ACT of administrating or the TIME the act of administration is carried out. It is translated "stewardship" in Luke 16:2,3,4 and relates to the job of a steward. A steward administers or disperses duties of the household i.e. he is accountable for all things consisted in running a household; delegating jobs to servants, finances, generally making sure that things ran smoothly. Not every steward would have the same responsibility; it would depend on how his "boss" would want him to administer or dispense responsibility within the household. This can also be said of a person regarding the running of governmental affairs.

oikonomia is also translated administration/dispensation. In the following scripture administration and dispensation can be interchangeable both having the same meaning: 1 Corinthians 9:17, Eph. 1:16, Eph. 3:2, Col. 1:25

Definitions from Webster's Dictionary 1828:

steward - a man employed in great families to manage the household

administration - 1) The act of administering; direction; management; the conducting of any office or employment 2) The executive part of government, consisting in the exercise of the constitutional and legal powers, the general superintendance of national affairs and the enforcement of laws 3) The persons collectively who are entrusted with the execution of laws, the chief magistrate and his council; or the council alone 4) dispensation; distribution, exhibition of the sacrament or of grace 5) the management of the estate (of an intestate person), under a commission from proper authority, this management consists in collecting debts, paying debts (and legacies and distributing the property among the heirs)

dispensation - 1) distribution; the act of dealing out to different persons or places 2) the dealing of God to his creatures; the distribution of good and evil, natural or moral in the divine government 3) the granting of a license or the license itself to do what is forbidden by laws or canons or to omit something which is commanded; that is the dispensing with a law or canon or the exemption of a particular person from the obligation to comply with its injunctions 4) that which is dispensed or bestowed; a system of principles and rites enjoined; as the Mosaic dispensation, the gospel dispensation including the former Levitical law and rites, the latter the scheme of redemption by Christ.

That is the totality of what the word "oikonomia" means.

So speaking only for myself and my understanding - There are three distinct classes of people in the word of God - Jews, Gentiles and the church of God (1 Cor. 10:32) God dealt with each class of people differently and at different times (dispensations/administrations) through different means. What He may have said to one group is written for my learning, i.e. I can learn from what was said but it may not be applicable to me specifically.
I hope this makes sense!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It has NONE.

The Original Autographs are not around. We don't have them.

The King James Bible is God's Book. And you need to submit to it and its Authority.

And stop trying to usurp your authoirty and intellect over it.

Nope. It is not extinct. It is the saved laymen and common people which understand the King James Bible the most.

But the "highly educated" and "highly esteemed" and the "highly renowned" scholars are the ones which seem to have a hardest understanding God's precious word.
It may be because the "educated" scholars don't tremble at God's word. They don't hold it in a high regard.

Do you have any idea at all about all the languages which the King James Bible has been translated in since its first printing?

wrong thread, quite hijacking threads with your idolotry!

 

[ChosenbyHim]

wrong thread, quite hijacking threads with your idolotry!

Well when you say that God's Book has errors and mistakes in it, I am going to have something to say about it.

Quit usurping your intellect over God's word. His word is perfect and without error.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well when you say that God's Book has errors and mistakes in it, I am going to have something to say about it.

Quit usurping your intellect over God's word. His word is perfect and without error.

Quit idolizing a book. And understand God can work in all books. He has been doing so for over 1000 years now. Oh ye of little faith.

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

Quit idolizing a book. And understand God can work in all books. He has been doing so for over 1000 years now. Oh ye of little faith.

What does faith have to do with it?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What does faith have to do with it?

It has alot. It says you do not have FAITH God will still get his word out even with other, modern translations.

If you do not have faith God can do this, You limit him.

Why would we want to limit God?

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Quit idolizing a book. And understand God can work in all books. He has been doing so for over 1000 years now. Oh ye of little faith.

God magnifies His word above His very name (Psalm 138:2).

Therefore I magnify God's word.

God works through His word. And the modern translations are not his word.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God magnifies His word above His very name (Psalm 138:2).

Therefore I magnify God's word.

God works through His word. And the modern translations are not his word.

thats too bad. imagine all those millions who were saved by faith because of grace who never opened a KJV. I guess those poor lost souls are headed to hell.. because they did not have Gods word!

 

[ChosenbyHim]

thats too bad. imagine all those millions who were saved by faith because of grace who never opened a KJV. I guess those poor lost souls are headed to hell.. because they did not have Gods word!

EG, God's word has always been available. Aren't you aware of the English line of Reformation Bibles (Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishop's, Geneva, etc.)?


And how about the Old Latin bibles?

 

[BradC]

A dispensation is a managed period of time that God has chosen to do a specific work and plan of stewardship in the minds and hearts of people through his mercy and through the diversity of his grace. This work begins with words from God to a chosen individual and /or elect company with the purpose of instructing them and revealing to them by promise or covenant a relationship that he wants to establish with man whom he created in his image and for his pleasure and to institute a fellowship based upon his nature and character through that work and plan. God established a relationship with Adam in the garden and gave specific instructions as the work that was to be done and the fruit that Adam was to partake of. This included the tree of life in the midst of the garden which Adam did not partake of. Adam transgressed and ate of the tree of knowledge that was forbidden and sin entered into the picture. The plan of God changed because Adam knew that he was naked and his himself. God could no longer relate to Adam as he did before he transgressed, so he covered Adam and his wife with coats of skin and had them removed from the garden. That was a dramatic change from God's original intent for Adam and now Adam was to work and till the land by the sweat of his brow. A new measure of grace was instituted toward Adam outside the garden without the tree of life and sin entered the human race because of it.

 

[PeteWaldo]

lol. Nice try. the church of rome took most belief systems of the early church and twisted them. anyone who believed otherwise were considered heretics and martyred by the church.

this 19th century crap is old. many people went back to pre roman church beliefs, because rome lost its power.

by your very argument, salvation by grace through faith alone is only a 19th century belief. and was never believed before.

I'm sorry, but your post makes it too difficult to understand where you are coming from, in regard to what you quoted. Adding unrelated things beyond the scope of the post. Perhaps a point by point. For example, do you believe that the figures of lion, bear, leopard and 4th "beast", within Daniel's prophetic dream, represent the actual kingdoms of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and the Roman Empire, and that Daniel's prophecy was fulfiulled steadily over a period of hundreds of years? If so then your approach to Old Testament prophecy is within the tradition of historicism. Is this too difficult to understand, or can you grasp it this far? If you understand it do you agree that you are historicist when it comes to Old Testament prophecy?
TRADITIONAL HISTORICISM