Jesus is God !

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Again The scripture credits Jesus with being God Jn 1:1-3

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Now compare with Rom 1:20

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

None but the Eternal Godhead [Trinity] can be credited with the Things Made in Creation, and Christ, as the Eternal Logos , in His Divine Essence, is of that Godhead !

His same Power is active in the maintaining of the this Creation Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

That same word power is used in Rom 1:20. This proves His inclusion within the Essence of the Godhead that made all things Jn 1:3

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Those who Deny Jesus is God in light of scripture revelation, shall give in account in the Day of Judgment !631
 
Jesus claims to be God by His words here Rev 2:23

23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Yes, He is claiming to be God by this statement " I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts" and to follow " I will give unto every one of you according to your works."

Now this is a definite claim to being God if we know our bibles and the scriptures, for only one can lay claim to being able to do that, Its a claim only God can make !

Jere 17:10

10 I the Lord [Yahweh] search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

1 Kings 8:39

Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men )

Solomon is praying to Yahweh Elohim in this context Vs 28

28 Yet have thou respect unto the prayer of thy servant, and to his supplication, O Lord my God, to hearken unto the cry and to the prayer, which thy servant prayeth before thee to day:

Now if Jesus is not One with Elohim Yahweh here, then He lied in Rev 2:23. Its to be noted that in the greek Rev 2:23 does have the definite article following the verb eimi and before the verb search

καὶ τὰ τέκνα αὐτῆς ἀποκτενῶ ἐν θανάτῳ: καὶ γνώσονται πᾶσαι αἱ ἐκκλησίαι ὅτι ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ἐραυνῶν νεφροὺς καὶ καρδίας, καὶ δώσω ὑμῖν ἑκάστῳ κατὰ τὰ ἔργα ὑμῶν.

I believe that He is saying,That I am the One and Only as Per 1 Kings 8:39 that Knowest the heart to give to every man according to His ways or deeds !

Again, this is a Glorious Prerogative only belongs to God !632
 
If God Almighty could miraculously become or make Himself a Man, What would that Man Be Like, and would He still be God at the same time as being that Man ? 633
 
svedbygrace said:
If God Almighty could miraculously become or make Himself a Man, What would that Man Be Like, and would He still be God at the same time as being that Man ? 633
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No, for man does not have the form of God, so is not God, and God does not have the form of man, and is not man.

Therefore Jesus was not God and neither did he pray to himself. Rather his origination was of God. That is the only thing he claims for himself.

I don't know what the point is in removing the epithet "son of" from "son of God" but it doesn't seem scriptural to me. Neither is "God the Son" a scriptural phrase. The maintenance of necessary distinctions is an essential part of theology. Even if the modern secular trend is to remove every distinction, whether between male and female, God and Christ, or man and Christ, it's not a smart move in biblical terms.
 
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No, for man does not have the form of God, so is not God, and God does not have the form of man, and is not man.
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So you are limiting God's Ability to be Both God and Man ! You do not believe Mark 10:27

And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
 
Correction Jesus has a God: [TABLE="class: MainVerseTable"]


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[TD="class: VerseBody"]Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ[/TD]
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ALMIOGHTY GOD IS GOD THE FATHER,SON AND HOLYSPIRIT=ALMIGHTY GOD JUST AS MAN IS BODY,SOUL AND SPIRIT=THREE BUT ONLY ONE!!!! TRY TO THINK!!!
 
Remember thy Creator


Ecclesiastes 12:1

Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;

Jesus Christ is Our Creator, no doubt about it if we believe scripture. Col 1:16

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

In this verse we read that by Him were all things Created. The prep here is en and denotes His instrumentality in the Creation of all things. He served the purpose of means of Creation, He was the means by which we and all things were Created both medially as He was the Mediator 1 Tim 2:5 and constructively as in Col 1: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Then it teaches in the latter part of Vs 16 that all things were made for and by Him.

Now the word by here is a different prep its dia which I believe now means:

the ground or reason by which something is or is not done

1) by reason of

2) on account of

3) because of for this reason

4) therefore

5) on this account

All things were Created because of Him. This seems to be because of the word for eis [unto]

Thats because the World was Created for a Redemptive Purpose in Him.

Jn 1:3

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Man or Adam was made by Him, and without Him Man / Adam could not have been made !

In Fact, Adam in being made in the Image of God, was Made in Christ's Image who is the Image of God 2 Cor 4;4

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Gen 1:27

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

And Adam was stated to be the figure [image] of Him that was to come, which was Christ. Rom 5:14

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

That word figure typos means:

the mark of a stroke or blow, print

2) a figure formed by a blow or impression

a) of a figure or image

b) of the image of the gods

So Adam in being Created in the Image of God, He was a Type of Christ, who is God His Creator.

Remember God said Gen 1:26

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

The Mediator Christ is one of the Us !

So we cannot remember Our Creator Ecclesiastes 12:1 if we do not accept the Fact, which scripture presents, Christ is God The Creator.635
 
svedbygrace said:
Dan 7:13-14- Son of Man is also God !



Dan 7:13-14

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

We know that Jesus Christ, the Son of Man is also God because of the Everlasting Kingdom given Him, one in which all people shall serve Him ! The word serve here is the word pĕlach (Aramaic) and means:


to serve, worship, revere, minister for, pay reverence to

a) (P'al)

1) to pay reverence to

2) to serve

This word to serve means to Worship Him and its NT equivalent would be the word latreuō which is the word worship 3 times !

And this Son of Man's Dominion given Him is Everlasting, which is also Parallel to that of God Most High Only in Dan 7:27


27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Also Dan 4:34


34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:

Yes, the Son of Man in His Deity, is the Most High God ! It could not be made more plainer from these text considerations ! There is only One Everlasting Dominion and Kingdom and that is Christ's !

2 Pet 1:11

For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


In the greek it is The Everlasting Kingdom of Our Lord, the definite Article indicating that it is only one Everlasting Kingdom ! And its the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, the Most High God/ Man !304
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Allow me to also point out that it was this passage (Daniel 7:13-14) that Jesus referred to when He was being tried by the religious leaders of His day. They asked Him if He was the Christ, and He responded by quoting this passage, and then the high priest tore his robes and accused Jesus of blasphemy. This means that the high priest believe that the Messiah was God.

Matthew 6:63-65 (NASB)
[SUP]63 [/SUP]But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest said to Him, “I [SUP][a][/SUP]adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are [SUP][b][/SUP]the Christ, the Son of God.” [SUP]64 [/SUP]Jesus *said to him, “You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, [SUP][c][/SUP]hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

[SUP]65 [/SUP]Then the high priest tore his [SUP][d][/SUP]robes and said, “He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? Behold, you have now heard the blasphemy; [SUP]66 [/SUP]what do you think?” They answered, “He deserves death!”

Mark 14:60-64 (NASB)
[SUP]60 [/SUP]The high priest stood up and came forward and questioned Jesus, saying, “Do You not answer? [SUP][a][/SUP]What is it that these men are testifying against You?” [SUP]61 [/SUP]But He kept silent and did not answer. Again the high priest was questioning Him, and [SUP][b][/SUP]saying to Him, “Are You [SUP][c][/SUP]the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?” [SUP]62 [/SUP]And Jesus said, “I am; and you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” [SUP]63 [/SUP]Tearing his clothes, the high priest *said, “What further need do we have of witnesses? [SUP]64 [/SUP]You have heard the blasphemy; how does it seem to you?” And they all condemned Him to be deserving of death.
 
Was The Lord Jesus Christ under Personal Responsibility to render obedience to the Law of God ? For scripture says that He was made of a woman and under the law Gal 4:4

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

He was to obey it Heb 10:5-9

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Phil 2:8

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

No, Jesus Christ was not under any personal obligation to obey the Law for Himself, but yes He was under Covenantal Obligation to the Father to obey the whole Law in the place of others, God's Elect.

But to obey the Law in the place and stead of others, He himself would have to be free from such obedience, and if He had not been God in His Divine Nature, then His Own obedience God would have demanded for Himself personally and not for thousands upon thousands of others , for He would be a creature like them and owe His own Obedience. As God, and yet Man, He was not under Personal obligation to anyone, because God has no one over Him to be accountable to, but as Man He subjected Himself to Obedience to God, a Very Unique Person indeed.

Jesus was claiming the status of God here by the way Matt 12:8

For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

When did it begin ? Gen 2:1-4

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

All things were made by Him John 1:3

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

Technically, He was not under any obedience to the Sabbath Day, He made it for man !646
 
I think this is the first thread with the most clear, truest title ive ever seen on this site yet. And i dont even need to read any of the replies in the thread because the title itself is absolute truth.
 
Jesus said, "That the Father judgeth no man, but has committed all judgment unto the Son" so the way I view it, when the saints stand before God to be judged, they are being judged by Jesus for indeed He is God!
 
dcontroversal said:
Jesus said, "That the Father judgeth no man, but has committed all judgment unto the Son" so the way I view it, when the saints stand before God to be judged, they are being judged by Jesus for indeed He is God!
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Saints are not judged. Their works are tried by fire, those works that stand, the saints will be rewarded. But the saints themselves are not judged. The great white thorn of judgment is for the unsaved.
 
Bumping this thread, seeing its one of the very few rays of truth on this whole forsaken site. Jesus christ is God. Amen.
 
I like that Christ taught there to keep all, of God's commandments.
 
Mystic7....

God (the Father)...as opposed to God (the Son/Jesus)...or God (the Holy Spirit)...

Hope this helps...
 
Peace be with you and tell me in whom can we see the LIVING GOD who is invisible, even today? And also only who and through who is the way, the truth and the life, the only way to the FATHER?

The answer is simple and Truth and it is written that;
'if you have seen ME, you have already seen the FATHER.'
 
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