Our Recovery from the CURSE, that is associated with Baptism.Gentile save thyself.

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Baptism is Step #2 in coming to GOD through Christ.

The use of the following Scriptures, attempt to show that baptism has been in error,
for some generations.
The people who have corrected it know the night and day difference.
Being reasonable people we must repair our error for good relations with GOD
and for our own good.
Firstly this is for our families, our sakes and then whoever wills.
Men and women of TRUTH must be for the TRUTH, like Christ and the Apostles were
and desire honor from GOD only, through Christ.
We will have opposition and mockers like they did.
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2 Cor.13
[8] For we (Christians) can do nothing against/ anti the TRUTH but for/ pro the TRUTH.

Eph.5
[23] The husband is (firstly the Spiritual) HEAD of the wife,
even as Christ (the Mighty God of Israel) is the (fully able) HEAD of the church
and the Mighty to save is the savior of the body.
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More women seemingly care about GOD and their families.
Jesus the Savior is ready to save. That is what a Savior does.
Jesus is underutilized until we return correctly, connect and join to the gracious LORD.

GOD’s pleasure is for us to come directly to his Son, our maker.
Jesus will bless us, with the blessings from GOD and restore us to our original image.
Meanwhile he fights against hatred and evil deeds.
GOD’s and Christ’s grace is simultaneous, unspeakable and manifold.

Jesus, the Arm of the Father, has power to bless or curse.

Pss.37
[22] Such who are blessed of/ by him (the LORD = Jesus)
shall (eventually) inherit the earth >> (the planet)
and they (the disobedient opponents of goodness) who are cursed of/ by him
shall be cut off >> (severed from among his people and any inheritance)

GOD, as the Greatest King, views disobedience as insulting, rebellious and dishonoring.
It is not friendship but enemy, not peace but war.
He takes dishonoring his Son or his servants, personally.

1 Sam.15
[22] Samuel said:
Does the LORD (the Father) have as a great happiness in burnt offerings and in sacrifices
like he has in obeying the voice (the Son/ servant) of the LORD?
Behold, >> to obey (Christ) is better than the sacrifice of animals
and >> to hearken is better than the fat of rams.
[23] Rebellion is like the sin of witchcraft
and stubbornness is like iniquity and idolatry.
Since you (Saul) have rejected the Word/ instruction of the LORD
he has also rejected you from being king (over Israel)

Baptism and the associated CURSE explained.

Prov.19
[29] Judgments are prepared (by GOD) for scorners (mockers of GOD and his people)
and stripes are prepared (by GOD), for the back of fools (in the ways/ management of GOD)

Mark.16
[14] Afterward he (Jesus, the resurrected LORD from Heaven, the Son of GOD)
appeared to the (11 chosen, Spirit filled, Spirit led and ordained Apostles) as they sat at meat
and he upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart,
because they did not believe their other brothers who had seen him after he had risen.
[15] Jesus, (the HEAD of the Church), said to the >> (sent, Spirit led) Apostles:
Go into the entire world
and preach the Gospel (about good Gifts from GOD through Christ)
to every individual.
[16] He who believes (you Apostles) and is baptized (as you Apostles say) shall be saved (eternally)
but he who does not believe you (Apostles) shall be damned >> (CURSED)

Jesus has placed Salvation in the hands of the Apostles = Zion.

The Apostles tell us how to baptize. They preach the enduring Word from GOD.
No man who understands GOD will disobey and justify disobedience.
What strong reasons, will that man give, as he stands before the Judgment Seat of Christ
our Judge, who decides his destiny?
The wisdom of the just that John the Baptist taught,
was obedience/ submission to GOD through Jesus.
Submission is before exaltation.

Baptism has an associated blessing or CURSING.

Our Prophet Isaiah foresaw the repetition of the breaking of GOD’s law, by the Gentiles,
and he warned us.

Isa.24
[5] The earth is defiled under the inhabitants thereof;
because they have:
(1). transgressed the laws, (of faith in Father and Son and love and good deeds)
(2). changed the ordinance >> (of Baptism calling on Jesus, GOD’s beloved and eternally supported Son.)
(3). broken the Everlasting Covenant >> (that came by Jesus Christ)
[6] Therefore the CURSE has devoured the earth
and they (all races) who dwell therein are desolate >>(deprived of the Graciousness from GOD and Christ)
Therefore the inhabitants (all races) of the earth are (spiritually) burnt
and few men (of GOD and Christ) left.
[7] The new wine (Doctrine from Jesus) mourns, the vine languishes,
all of the (baptized) merry hearted, sigh.


The Apostle Paul received Baptism instructions:
Here we may get instructed ourselves.

Acts.22
[14] Ananias said (to Paul):
The GOD of our (3 fore) fathers has chosen you,
so that you should >> know his will >> (Paul knows GOD’s will/ plan)
and see that Just One >> (the God of the nation of Israel = Jesus),
and should hear the voice of/ from his mouth.
[15] For you shall be Jesus’ witness, of what you have seen and heard, to all men.
[16] and now why tarry? >> (Baptism is always immediately obeyed so that blessings may start.)
Arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins,
calling on the name of the LORD >> (Jesus who abundantly pardons)

The candidate must call from UNDER THE WATER or all you get is wet.

Acts.2
[38] Then Peter said to them: >> (the Israelites)
Repent (return to God) and be baptized, every one of you (Israelites)
in (into, calling on), the name of Jesus Christ >> (the incarnated God of Israel)
for the remission of sins,
and you shall receive the (invaluable) Gift
of the Holy Ghost/ the Spirit of GOD (= GOD with you and in you)

The CURSE associated with Baptism will be removed after baptism is correctly performed.
The merriment starts as the Gift and Gifts are given and the good life starts unfolding. Amen
The >> high level fellowship with the Father and his Son becomes a reality.
David had the LORD with him. We have BOTH Father and Son with us.

Joy, unspeakable, through the Holy Spirit is realized.

1 Pet.1
[8] Having not seen (Jesus) you love him
Though now you do not see him, yet believing,
you >> rejoice with joy unspeakable (ecstasy) << and full of glory >> (boastfulness)

Acts.13
[52] The (baptized) disciples were filled with joy
and filled with the Holy Ghost >>. (GOD in them)

GOD and Christ want to bless and permanently establish,
the co-operative ones and their children.
GOD’s striving, like with the past people, will not be repeated as per the Prophet Isaiah.
GOD has given to Spirit filled and Spirit led men,
the strength and the partial burden to save other men.
ptism is Step #2 to GOD through Christ.
 
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Water baptism doesn't do anything to access God. The only way to access God is by the cross and nothing else. Water baptism is an outward show of an inner change and thats all. Way to many people have placed their faith in water baptism and ignored the cross. The cross is the only means that man may come to God and is the only means that we can live victoriously for God. Why people can't get that in their heads is beyond me. They want to focus on their own works and negate the cross and wonder why they are having problems with sin. Eyes off the cross, sin nature revived. Eyes on the cross, sin nature unplugged.
 
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Water baptism doesn't do anything to access God. The only way to access God is by the cross and nothing else. Water baptism is an outward show of an inner change and thats all. Way to many people have placed their faith in water baptism and ignored the cross. The cross is the only means that man may come to God and is the only means that we can live victoriously for God. Why people can't get that in their heads is beyond me. They want to focus on their own works and negate the cross and wonder why they are having problems with sin. Eyes off the cross, sin nature revived. Eyes on the cross, sin nature unplugged.
Hello.

Try it correctly and see.
It surprised us also.
The Apostles preached it in all the wordl and Jesus worked with them.
Remember that' Dear obedient children get it.'
Jesus gave the law on Baptism.
The true Israelites got baptised.
 
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As an adult I have performed the LORD's ordained baptism and was pleasantly surprised.
Grace is indeed many and hard to explain.
Christians, as written, are happy people who sound like liars but are honest.
 
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There is only ONE baptism..... I will chose the ONE in RED... the Blue one any other person may coose but I will chose the One in RED AND CAPITAL LETTERS....

First let God confirms HE SEES ONLY ONE BAPTISM.....
Ephesians 4: 5 ... One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

And the ONE BAPTISM I CHOOSE....MARK 1:8, John the Baptist speaking........I indeed have baptized you with water: but HE SHALL BPTIZE YOU WITH THE HOLY GHOST.

Just to make sure you all understand what BAPTISM I choose.....I choose the baptism where Jesus Baptize me PERSONALLY with the HOLY GHOST.... AMEN!!!!
 
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So are you implying with your post that if someone is not joyful then its because they didn't get baptized right according to your formula outlined above?
 
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Baptism is Step #2 in coming to GOD through Christ.

The use of the following Scriptures, attempt to show that baptism has been in error,
for some generations.
The people who have corrected it know the night and day difference.
Being reasonable people we must repair our error for good relations with GOD
and for our own good...............

The Apostles tell us how to baptize. They preach the enduring Word from GOD.
No man who understands GOD will disobey and justify disobedience.
What strong reasons, will that man give, as he stands before the Judgment Seat of Christ
our Judge, who decides his destiny?
The wisdom of the just that John the Baptist taught,
was obedience/ submission to GOD through Jesus.
Submission is before exaltation.

Baptism has an associated blessing or CURSING.

Our Prophet Isaiah foresaw the repetition of the breaking of GOD’s law, by the Gentiles,
and he warned us.

Isa.24
[5] The earth is defiled under the inhabitants thereof;
because they have:
(1). transgressed the laws, (of faith in Father and Son and love and good deeds)
(2). changed the ordinance >> (of Baptism calling on Jesus, GOD’s beloved and eternally supported Son.)

********can you show that ordinance refers to baptism? *******

(3). broken the Everlasting Covenant >> (that came by Jesus Christ)
[6] Therefore the CURSE has devoured the earth
and they (all races) who dwell therein are desolate >>(deprived of the Graciousness from GOD and Christ)
Therefore the inhabitants (all races) of the earth are (spiritually) burnt
and few men (of GOD and Christ) left.
[7] The new wine (Doctrine from Jesus) mourns, the vine languishes,
all of the (baptized) merry hearted, sigh.


****I find it slightly disturbing that you are ok with adding to the Bible****


The Apostle Paul received Baptism instructions:
Here we may get instructed ourselves.

Acts.22:16
Arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins,
calling on the name of the LORD >> (Jesus who abundantly pardons)

*******ok it shows that Paul was told to be baptized*******


The candidate must call from UNDER THE WATER or all you get is wet. (okay here it is, you are saying the person must be fully under the water, and are against sprinkling of the water type baptism.....
oh I figured out your message.....it was kind of wandered a little.
 
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Hello.

Try it correctly and see.
It surprised us also.
The Apostles preached it in all the wordl and Jesus worked with them.
Remember that' Dear obedient children get it.'
Jesus gave the law on Baptism.
The true Israelites got baptised.

baptism no more saves us than circumcision saved them. It is a physical work which symbolises a spiritual act performed by God himself.

Study colossians. We were not cleansed by the hands of men, but the hands of God. by being buried with him in baptism, and raised in thew work of God (not men) See also titus 3: 5. it is the baptism and renewal of the HS which saves us, Not the baptism of men!

Satan is trying to add a work of men to the gospel. Anything he can do to keep people from the cross. It worked with circumcision with the jews, and it works with physical baptism with many in the church.

Run as far as you can from this works based, legalistic gospel not of hope. but of men.
 
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Baptism has an associated blessing or CURSING.
I think you play on words too much. There are plainly different baptisms, and not all baptisms occur at the same time. There is water baptism for repentance, fire baptism whereby a person is imbued with the ability to endure great suffering whether merited or not, to test his faith, and baptism of the Holy Spirit e.g. Pentecost, whereby a person becomes filled with joy. These different types of baptism can occur at different times in our lives. Often water baptism and spirit baptism are coterminous cf the baptism of Christ, who was filled with great joy after the spirit came upon him as a dove, which was also quickly followed by his temptation and suffering, but they can be separated, e.g. where a person is baptized prematurely and only later believes.

If a person has already undergone water baptism and then experiences a baptism of the spirit when he later believes, I think it is wrong to repeat the water baptism for spirit baptism will cure any defects in the water baptism. It is the duty of the church to perform water baptism as much as the duty of the believer to receive it but he should not receive it twice, as once is enough.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Spirit baptism. Promised by God, spoken of by John the baptist (he will baptize with the spirit and fire) The act of God the HS baptizing us unti the death burial of Christ (rom 6) that one day we will be baptized into his resurrection. The act of the HS baptizing us into the body of Christ. (1 cor 12) The act of the HS spiritual circumcising us (col 2) in where we are washed by the blood (see also titus 3:5) which gives us new birth.

Water baptism. Before Christ. All levites were baptized as priests. A gentile had to be baptized in order to enter into the covenant with Israel. John baptized all, to show what Christ would do. Then of course us. An outward testimony to show our inward faith., which saved us, Water baptism is a symbol of HS baptism, which is what saves us.

Baptism of fire. There will be weeping and nashing of teeth. This baptism happens on judgment day, When all non believers are baptized in hell. in the fire that shall never be quenched.

Everyone will be baptized by God. Either by the spirit, or fire.

Everyone is commanded to be baptized in water, it is a sin not to be baptized. But no one will be saved because or through this water baptism. Saying this is giving man credit for the work of God. which according to Jesus is blasphemy.
 
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Eternally-greatful says.... Everyone will be baptized by God. Either by the spirit, or fire.

What did John say?.... he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Eternally-greatful.... why change the AND to an OR? John said He will baptize with Spirit AND Fire,,, you say Spirit OR fire. Why? To suit your doctrine? Ah yes, you still do not know what the BAPTISM OF FIRE AND SPIRIT is do you...

If you want to know ASK, and I will share it with you. Let me assure you if you do not get the baptism of fire, you will NEVER get the baptism of Spirit.... It is ONE BAPTISM.... ONE!!!!

The Fire of eternal hell is part of the ONE BAPTISM... If you do not undersand I will share with you with the Truth of God as PROOF.... Why were there this when they 120 were baptized in the Holy Spirit....Look at this.... Acts 2:3 and 4...
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues
like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And
they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Why were there these cloven tongues that sat on EACH of them? What was this, if you do not know this, then you know not what hapens when God puts HISHOLY SPIRIT IN A PERSON.... Why fire on these men and a DOVE and lightning on Jesus?


In there, there is some TRUTH! Do a study EG, it is VERY revealing what happens when God saves a person and make him FULL OF HOLY SPIRIT.... Why is there FIRE with this Baptism?
 

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Water baptism doesn't do anything to access God. The only way to access God is by the cross and nothing else. Water baptism is an outward show of an inner change and thats all. Way to many people have placed their faith in water baptism and ignored the cross. The cross is the only means that man may come to God and is the only means that we can live victoriously for God. Why people can't get that in their heads is beyond me. They want to focus on their own works and negate the cross and wonder why they are having problems with sin. Eyes off the cross, sin nature revived. Eyes on the cross, sin nature unplugged.
I disagree with you here, if the cross is the only access to God, how did David have access to God about 1000 years prior to the stake (the word is stauros - stake)?

And yet we read...

Act 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.
 
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Eternally-greatful says.... Everyone will be baptized by God. Either by the spirit, or fire.

What did John say?.... he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Eternally-greatful.... why change the AND to an OR? John said He will baptize with Spirit AND Fire,,, you say Spirit OR fire. Why? To suit your doctrine? Ah yes, you still do not know what the BAPTISM OF FIRE AND SPIRIT is do you...

If you want to know ASK, and I will share it with you. Let me assure you if you do not get the baptism of fire, you will NEVER get the baptism of Spirit.... It is ONE BAPTISM.... ONE!!!!

The Fire of eternal hell is part of the ONE BAPTISM... If you do not undersand I will share with you with the Truth of God as PROOF.... Why were there this when they 120 were baptized in the Holy Spirit....Look at this.... Acts 2:3 and 4...
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues
like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And
they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Why were there these cloven tongues that sat on EACH of them? What was this, if you do not know this, then you know not what hapens when God puts HISHOLY SPIRIT IN A PERSON.... Why fire on these men and a DOVE and lightning on Jesus?


In there, there is some TRUTH! Do a study EG, it is VERY revealing what happens when God saves a person and make him FULL OF HOLY SPIRIT.... Why is there FIRE with this Baptism?
lol Cobus. You amaze me sometimes.

John says he will baptise with the HS AND with FIRE.

It does not in any way say he will baptize all people with both things. Now your adding to scripture.

Matthew helps us, and makes it clear what John is saying.


Matthew 3:12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

Do you understand what this means?

The winnowing fan is the tool used to separate the wheat from the chaff.
The barn is the place where the wheat is stored.
The chaff is the stuff which can not be used.

The winnowing fan is the HS. Who separates the wheat (those saved) from the chaff (those unsaved)
the wheat goes into the barn (eternity with Christ)
the chaff goes into the "fire that shall never be quenched"

Only one fire in scripture is a fire that shall never be quenched, that is Hellfire.
Unless you plan on be baptized into hellfire. You need to study, and understand what john is saying here. Because there is only ONE baptism which saves (eph 4: 5) Not two. Not three not 4.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I disagree with you here, if the cross is the only access to God, how did David have access to God about 1000 years prior to the stake (the word is stauros - stake)?

And yet we read...

Act 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

if it were not for the cross. David would not have any of this. nor be called a man after Gods heart. For only Gods foreknowledge of the cross allowed david to be shown grace.


Romans 3:25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
 
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overcomer2

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I know when I was baptized that I don't remember what was said over me. Many people believe you must say something,

Acts 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) This scripture tells you what to do not what to say. You do everything in the name of Jesus. When I pray in the morning, I do it in the name of Jesus. I don't physically have to say in the name of Jesus I will make supper tonight. You were told be baptized in the name of Jesus. Letting you know not to be baptized in any other name.

The man who baptizes you could be mute, your baptism is depended on you and the Lord.
 
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So Fire IS part of the CLEANSING.... I LOVE you bring up the chaff and the wheat.... The SHAFF IS THE OLD MAN.... EG, the OLD MAN IS BURNT.... To ash and less.... The Fire Baptism gets RID OF THE OLD MAN, and the SPIRIT BAPTISM IS THE NEW MAN....
Jesus is the NEW YOU, the OLD YOU IS BURNT...

Sin, and the heart of sin the OLD man is SCHAFF and the WIND is the sanctification ... The WORD OF GOD.... So here is all the BAPTISM for you....

When god comes, he calls the old man... sinner... and the sinner repent and God SEPERATES.. the FAN IS THE WORD.... The Word of God we learn and obey, is how the old man is SEPERATED from the NEW MAN... the Word Seperates us from the OLD man... then the old man is BURNT IN THE FIRE.... GONE DEAD AND BURNT TO NOTHING.... Then God gives the Spirit to be a NEW creature in the Baptism of the Spirit.... And See there, Christ Jesus lives in flesh AGAIN....

That is the ONE BAPTISM.... Fire and Spirit... Fire to get rid ot the old man FOR GOOD, and Spirit to make the NEW MAN ALIVE IN CHRIST.... WOW!!!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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So Fire IS part of the CLEANSING.... I LOVE you bring up the chaff and the wheat.... The SHAFF IS THE OLD MAN.... EG, the OLD MAN IS BURNT.... To ash and less.... The Fire Baptism gets RID OF THE OLD MAN, and the SPIRIT BAPTISM IS THE NEW MAN....
Jesus is the NEW YOU, the OLD YOU IS BURNT...

Sin, and the heart of sin the OLD man is SCHAFF and the WIND is the sanctification ... The WORD OF GOD.... So here is all the BAPTISM for you....

When god comes, he calls the old man... sinner... and the sinner repent and God SEPERATES.. the FAN IS THE WORD.... The Word of God we learn and obey, is how the old man is SEPERATED from the NEW MAN... the Word Seperates us from the OLD man... then the old man is BURNT IN THE FIRE.... GONE DEAD AND BURNT TO NOTHING.... Then God gives the Spirit to be a NEW creature in the Baptism of the Spirit.... And See there, Christ Jesus lives in flesh AGAIN....

That is the ONE BAPTISM.... Fire and Spirit... Fire to get rid ot the old man FOR GOOD, and Spirit to make the NEW MAN ALIVE IN CHRIST.... WOW!!!
no cobus. The chaff (old man) is not baptised into the fire that shall never be quenched. The unbeliever will. There will be weeping and nashing of teeth.

There is one baptism (HS) not many (HS WATER AND FIRE)

 
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If Baptism is 2nd step,which one is first step?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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If Baptism is 2nd step,which one is first step?
Only a legalist and modern day pharisee says there are steps one must do to earn salvation. There are no steps. Jesu spaid it all. The only step is Christ.

Do you trust Christ? or are you going to continue to trust self and men?
 
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Only a legalist and modern day pharisee says there are steps one must do to earn salvation. There are no steps. Jesu spaid it all. The only step is Christ.

Do you trust Christ? or are you going to continue to trust self and men?
Good.I do trust in Jesus,now let we eat and drink!