How can good come from evil ?

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lookingforthetruth said:
According to Christian belief,the death of Jesus christ brought salvation yet i fail to understand a key concept.If the original sin that is present in every human because of eating an apple then imagine how horrible it would be to kill god's only begotten son.I mean there is no more horrible sin then that in my opinion and yet Christians find salvation from this concept please explain why because I'm sure the Jews at the time killed Jesus for blasphemy not for salvation so please explain why no malice intended
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apple is not found in the Bible, or eating it. There is just so much history you have to learn. Its not about just an apple ( which is not even in the Bible ) how can you grasp this if you dont know whats written????

. The point im trying to make is, your question requires you to have Help.

Christians dont even understand these things sadly, because of how far the world has fallen. And how many dedicate the time needed to study the Bible ?

You cant go it alone. you can ask Him for help to understand. And He will just give it to you. but he knows if your genuine or not. Then after, your going to want to hit the books. feel free to send me a message, we can talk about these things. and sort them out.
 
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SpiritofFire said:
That's not what I said. We were born not knowing good and evil. Sin is based upon one's perception of what evil is.
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Romans 2
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
 
SpiritofFire said:
Eating an apple was not the original sin, it was man's attempt to define what was good and evil that was his downfall.

No one is inherently evil. If you were to take a gangster and start his life over from the womb in a different environment, he would lead a different life.
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When a person take instructions over another, the person that they listen to is the one they love.

Deuteronomy 5:33Walk in obedience to all that the Lord your God has commanded you, so that you may live and prosper and prolong your days in the land that you will possess.

Matthew 6:24“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
 
You keep saying Jesus was sacrificed, but he wasn't , he was murdered by the Jews .I don't understand how salvation can come out of a bloody murder ? Furthermore, what do Christians mean by the word "begotten ".What are you trying to say god did ? Lastly why do Christians worship the person of Jesus when he never said worship me nor talked about a trinity ? :s and many Christian scholars agree that the bible has been altered ,imagine if an alteration is leading to your evil because your not following the true doctrines of Jesus which makes him call you Christians " workers of evil"
 
They did not understand what they were doing. If Jesus lived we would surely die. It was God's master plan. That Jesus would give us life by giving his life for us. Jesus asked for their forgiveness because they did not know what was about to happen. It was a secret from all. Salvation for humanity. Jesus was awesome. A real hero. Just like our veteran's. Laying their life for the brotherhood of mankind. Powerful!!!
God Bless You and Your Family!!!
 
Appraiser19 said:
They did not understand what they were doing. If Jesus lived we would surely die. It was God's master plan. That Jesus would give us life by giving his life for us. Jesus asked for their forgiveness because they did not know what was about to happen. It was a secret from all. Salvation for humanity. Jesus was awesome. A real hero. Just like our veteran's. Laying their life for the brotherhood of mankind. Powerful!!!
God Bless You and Your Family!!!
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1.How could someone not understand they were committing murder ?
2.If Jesus lived we would die ? :S what about when Jesus comes back in judgement day ?
3. If Jesus is god then how can god be killed by a creation( spear,wood, whatever )
4.If Jesus died for the sins of humanity and my sin is being a non-Christian then thanks to the death of Jesus i can remain a non-Christian :D
5.Why would god send down Jesus after sending so many other prophets ? :s why would the father in heaven send down his only begotten son to be murdered because of a betrayal the all-knowing god didn't anticipate ? What about the people before Jesus ? didn't they get salvation
7.Jesus says in Mathew 15:9 , New International Version"They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.'"
What does he mean by that ?
 
Hi, the Word says seek and you will find. (which implies that whatever you seek you will find) The Word says there is good. The Word says there is evil. If all these statements are true, then he who seeks truthfully will find the answer. Good can come from evil.
 
Karraster said:
Hi, the Word says seek and you will find. (which implies that whatever you seek you will find) The Word says there is good. The Word says there is evil. If all these statements are true, then he who seeks truthfully will find the answer. Good can come from evil.
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The context is praying to the Father and that He will give us what we need. It's not a spiritual application of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.
 
The way to seek in truth of what God said, is to seek Him thru His Word, and in the way He says to do it. It's there, plain as day. It may not be logical to you to do it that way, but it is God's Word, not man's word. Who can understand the mind of God, unless God makes known to you. No amount of speaking or reasoning can convince anyone of truth unless it is revealed by God. One must be honest about what they seek, and if truly you seek truth, you will find it. Scholars come and go, God is the same He does not change. He is love, He is truth. He is everlasting life.
 
Peace be with you, ignorant and proud one and may the Living GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, forgive and bless you for that.

First of all, in order to see and understand the Kingdom of GOD, you need to be born from above, not only by water but by the HOLY SPIRIT and Fire. You need to also receive the gift of GOD that is "by Grace through Faith" in order to enter from the entrance you now stand and want to get in.

Second, you need to have a spiritual discernment to understand SPIRITUAL Teachings of Scripture in the Holy Bible in order to continue in CHRIST.

Other than these above, we may not be able to explain and we may only be force feeding you if we do continue. For now i see and understand you that sadly you are a mocker towards those who live by faith in what that has been written and not by sight in what we see and understand and continue as opinion headed. There are many mockers to come, to as it is written and who have had too much wine to drink in order to mock Christian spiritual sound doctrine faith.
 
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lookingforthetruth said:
According to Christian belief,the death of Jesus christ brought salvation yet i fail to understand a key concept.If the original sin that is present in every human because of eating an apple then imagine how horrible it would be to kill god's only begotten son.I mean there is no more horrible sin then that in my opinion and yet Christians find salvation from this concept please explain why because I'm sure the Jews at the time killed Jesus for blasphemy not for salvation so please explain why no malice intended
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the jews were purposely blinded so they won't recognise Jesus so he can die for us the gentiles they still don't know who Jesus is even now and we can't really question anything it was the only way to truly get rid of sin
 
Josh321 said:
the jews were purposely blinded so they won't recognise Jesus so he can die for us the gentiles they still don't know who Jesus is even now and we can't really question anything it was the only way to truly get rid of sin
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Yes, and it is the most beautiful love story ever written, that yet while we were in our sins, our Savior who know no sin was made sin for us. And for by that God sent His Son to redeem His beloved chosen people, who by them also we gentile can be adopted, which in turn provoke them and turn them also to that love and forgiveness given freely. God loves us freely! My little brain cannot comprehend yet I know my redeemer lives. I don't have to understand, I just have to believe and try to do His will.
 
Karraster said:
Yes, and it is the most beautiful love story ever written, that yet while we were in our sins, our Savior who know no sin was made sin for us. And for by that God sent His Son to redeem His beloved chosen people, who by them also we gentile can be adopted, which in turn provoke them and turn them also to that love and forgiveness given freely. God loves us freely! My little brain cannot comprehend yet I know my redeemer lives. I don't have to understand, I just have to believe and try to do His will.
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indeed, isn't it amazing? that God himself came down to save US sinful filthy people.. that rejected him but still showered us with his love despite that, if that isn't true love i don't know what is
 
Karraster said:
Yes, and it is the most beautiful love story ever written, that yet while we were in our sins, our Savior who know no sin was made sin for us. And for by that God sent His Son to redeem His beloved chosen people, who by them also we gentile can be adopted, which in turn provoke them and turn them also to that love and forgiveness given freely. God loves us freely! My little brain cannot comprehend yet I know my redeemer lives. I don't have to understand, I just have to believe and try to do His will.
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oh we will see him very very soon, look at the hour we living in, all of this satanisms and how terrible the world getting, the light must shine to get rid of all of that darkness and it will too i believe very soon
 
lookingforthetruth said:
According to Christian belief,the death of Jesus christ brought salvation yet i fail to understand a key concept.If the original sin that is present in every human because of eating an apple then imagine how horrible it would be to kill god's only begotten son.I mean there is no more horrible sin then that in my opinion and yet Christians find salvation from this concept please explain why because I'm sure the Jews at the time killed Jesus for blasphemy not for salvation so please explain why no malice intended
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Christ came to do what both us and the law could never do. The law could never give us salvation, and we could never fulfill the law. Yet, Christ did. Salvation here meaning saving us. From what? Sin. And Adam and Eve didn't eat an apple. They ate a fruit, a forbidden fruit whicn Bod told them not to eat. The sin here, was the fact that they disobeyed God. Tney did sometjing they weren't supposed to, out of temptation. This also applies to us. But, that's not my point. And the Jews didn't kill Christ. Yes, they did crucify Him, but that was God's original plan, since the beginning of time itself. God knows all things, remember? The will of God is for everyoneto believe in what His son did, 2000 years ago. Becaus salvation was given to all man. Every single one os us, whether Christian or Muslim. Born again, or not. But, whether we choose to believe and accept it is the real question. Thing is, sin will remain with us. Christ died to that, amd we are supposed to as well. Because the wages of sin is death. But God couldn't allow us to die. So, He sent His son to take our place. Whe Christ died on that cross, we died with Him as well, to our sins. Before, we were dead in sin. But Christ came to bring us life. And now that we have died with Him on that cross, we have died to sin, and we have received His life. That is salvation. If you've any questions, pm me.
 
Llokingforthetruth, you make big mitakes. How can any man commit murder against God? Not even the WHOLE evil fore can kill God! But Jesus had the Spirit of God in Him an he wa CONCIEVED by the Spirit.... Even the Quaran says that MAry was a virgin when she fell preagnant.... That is how GOD begot a son.... He GOD HIMSELF, impregnated a virgin by planting HIS SEED in the virgin. And the Muslims admit this... So there is where they stop believing Jesus, as the Son of God.

And the Quaran now says I am cursed to say Jesus is the Son of God (Allah) for, you so already I am cursed in your eyes. But then I am even a curse to many other's as well. You see lookingforthetruth, I also looked for the Truth and I found it, and GOD WROTE IT ON MY HEART... So any question you ask me will be TRUTH, and you may accept and be blessed, or reject and be cursed... you see the TRUTH is you or your Allah can curse me all you like, I have MY OWN DESTINY TO DETERMINE,... You CANNOT curse me, only I can by accepting your curse to reject Jesus...

You are ALREADY cursed, with you Allah that does not even exist. Your God does not even exist. I buy any food I like, hallal or other, I know even the chickens you eat that is halaal, comes from my God, all I do is pray.... Lord Jesus bless this halaal chicken and all you Allah curses on the chicken is BROKEN... what God made and blessed NO MAN OR FALSE GOD CAN MAKE UNCLEAN....Ask Peter when he saw the cloth from heaven.... And how God explained how we break curses.... ALL DONE IN THE NAME OF OUR LORD JESUS!!!

Jesus was not murdered, he said NO ONE TOOK HIS LIFE, HE GAVE IT.... So there, you are in great error to think he was murdered, he GAVE HIS LIFE.... Nobody took it. And He did not die, and remained dead...he was resurrected beating Allah, Krishna, Buddah, Satan, and Forefathers.... they all are still dead.... But NOT Jesus.... He is as alive as from before the earth was made, or Allah was in the head of any man..... This non-existing gods, of wood, and imaginations, and sun-gods, and water-gods.... they never existed, and will never exist but in the mind of the unbelievers... Muslim, buddist, Hindu, Sangoma, devils, forefathers, any other gods, are NON-EXISTING... Sorry my mate, search on you have NOT found the Truth yet...

John 17:17... The Word of God is the Truth.... Read the Bible and believe it, and you will be made free by the TRUTH OF GOD....
 
Original Sin?

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Sometimes you just have to...

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Peace be with you all, from the time of HIS death and resurrection until this present age, the most horrible sin that one can commit today is not believing in JESUS as the MESSIAH.

As it is written; "HE the Helper will come and will convict this world of sin..................................................Regarding sin, it did not believe in me."
 
Josh321 said:
the jews were purposely blinded so they won't recognise Jesus so he can die for us the gentiles they still don't know who Jesus is even now and we can't really question anything it was the only way to truly get rid of sin
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it is our role to question it .God gave us a brain for a reason.Angels dont have free will but we humans do have free will . It is our duty to logically find out who our Creator . What if hypothetically I'm not saying it is the teachings are false and your walking blindly towards hell.I don't want to go to hell because of peer pressure or someone said it doesn't make sense but it's not our role to question it. It is our role to question it . God the all-knowing sent down books purposely made for humans so God being awesome at everything He does would have done an awesome job at anything He does.
 
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