I want the truth , no beating around the bush

[lookingforthetruth]

BINGO!!!

Yet the so-called Paul who was on the way to kill Christians at the time wrote over 60% of the New Testatement.I mean if Hitler said he got a revelation from Moses alone on the way to kill it the jews wouldn't let him go nowhere near their scriptures.Yet the christians do. WHERE IS YOUR LOGIC (FACEPALM )

 

[lookingforthetruth]

So, basically, the Christian Bible is corrupt and that [A]llah, that god thing of the Qur'an who has no son, sent an uncorrupted book down to us. Are you supposing that we are to abandon the new Covenant which was made under Jesus the Christ and listen to Allah's messenger?

It does not sound like you are really looking for Truth but to draw away from the Truth. You have been most wrongly lead, but are you really opened to criticism to draw you from that path?

Why did Jesus say " [h=1]"Elah, Elah, Lama Sabachthani?" " Google what "Ellah " means btw the first Arabic bible was translated in the 8th century while the Quran was sent down in the 6th century . The truth is clear from a lie .[/h]

 

[lookingforthetruth]

(The Complete Jewish Bible) 1 John 5:7 There are three witnesses - 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood - and these three are in agreement.

At His death Jesus gave up the Spirit, and water and blood flowed from His side wound obtained by the spear. Without having those three, death is the consequence.

1 John 5:7-8 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Yeah trust the people who tried to kill Jesus and betray him spread his word truthfully smart thinking

 

[Brother_Don]

the KJV is the bible i prefer, but i believe the Word can speak to a persons heart, through other translations. If God chooses to speak to a person, He can, even if they can't read or write. so in my opinion, if some one yearns to know God, they will.

 

[nathan3]

So your admitting the bible is written by man because there are mistakes in the holy bible . Psalm 18:30 As for God,his way is perfect:The lord's word is flawless; " not filled with mistakes ... and incestual relationships damn man you got some strong blind faith going on there

I never said there are mistakes in the Bible. What I am trying to say, is study the Bible.

People have jobs that serve the sole purpose to spot these things, and they have been spotted these things, many years ago.

It's just unlearned people are coming up out of the wood works Unbelievers* ,and even Christians ; learning these things for the first time. And there is nothing wrong with learning, if you at least come to understanding.

Because if you don't then it can destroy you. It's possible. So I would take time to study, before assuming things, then rushing to conclusions based off a limited grasp of a thing.

Learning that this verse may not read this way in older manuscripts, should not send people flying over a cliff. It's not a big deal , so long as your faith is not based on only one verse in the Bible. Every Christian should be reading the entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, and that makes up a Christians learning. Not one verse.


But any wise person would spot this away. This happens from time to time, between different MS. That dose not mean there is something wrong with the Bible as a whole. That is simply not true. Anyone that throws away the Bible because there is questions about one verse, is some one that dose not think rationally. And faith should not be made on irrational behavior.



The question is, Dose that take anything away from Christ being Emmanuel ? The answer is no. Anyone that can read John 1, etc . What should be done is to simply learn what the passage is teaching.

Some MS simply have variations like this between each-others. I personally would read it with the omission there. And people can see the way its translated already in their Bibles.

For there are three that bare witness ( as in Vere 6 ) " the Spirit , and the water ," and the blood: and these three agree in one.


Again, my faith is not based on questions about one verse . That is the opposite of blind faith, and more along the lines of educated, informed from the word of God based faith.


My advice is, don't go flying off the cliff . Slow down and study God's words.

 

[lookingforthetruth]

I never said there are mistakes in the Bible. What I am trying to say, is study the Bible.

People have jobs that serve the sole purpose to spot these things, and they have been spotted these things, many years ago.

It's just unlearned people are coming up out of the wood works Unbelievers* ,and even Christians ; learning these things for the first time. And there is nothing wrong with learning, if you at least come to understanding.

Because if you don't then it can destroy you. It's possible. So I would take time to study, before assuming things, then rushing to conclusions based off a limited grasp of a thing.

Learning that this verse may not read this way in older manuscripts, should not send people flying over a cliff. It's not a big deal , so long as your faith is not based on only one verse in the Bible. Every Christian should be reading the entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, and that makes up a Christians learning. Not one verse.


But any wise person would spot this away. This happens from time to time, between different MS. That dose not mean there is something wrong with the Bible as a whole. That is simply not true. Anyone that throws away the Bible because there is questions about one verse, is some one that dose not think rationally. And faith should not be made on irrational behavior.



The question is, Dose that take anything away from Christ being Emmanuel ? The answer is no. Anyone that can read John 1, etc . What should be done is to simply learn what the passage is teaching.

Some MS simply have variations like this between each-others. I personally would read it with the omission there. And people can see the way its translated already in their Bibles.

For there are three that bare witness ( as in Vere 6 ) " the Spirit , and the water ," and the blood: and these three agree in one.


Again, my faith is not based on questions about one verse . That is the opposite of blind faith, and more along the lines of educated, informed from the word of God based faith.


My advice is, don't go flying off the cliff . Slow down and study God's words.

The word trinity isnt mentioned in the bible neither is jesus claiming divinity .What do you think Jesus would say if you met him on Judgement day ?

 

[homwardbound]

Simply question , if jesus is god and the father is god why did the son pray the father yet the father never pray to the son ?

Yes it is hard to explain 3 as one and one as three?
Does water come in three forms and all water still, Water, ice and steam?
Is an egg known to be an egg without all three parts? White (Holy Ghost), Yoke (Father)and shell (Jesus's body flesh)
If you cut a cherry pie in three distinct slices, does not the filling flow right back together?
Is the body made up of three parts. Body. soul and Spirit?
Is the Body complete without all three parts? in order to be whole
Did Jesus come here to make live that part that was not made alive the Spirit? Did he not say this in John 3 and John 10:10. We must be born of the Spirit of God or we do not see the Kingdom?

1X1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1 =1 forever does it not?
How many parts are on the body yet it is one body? Consists of eyes, hands, feet and on and on we go. Yet is one body
The mysteries, since the beginning, God the creator over all, the Father of Jesus Christ, hmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how can they be two yet one? if you and I agree as one in all, then we would be one, hmm!!!!!!!!!!!!! just as a man is to leave his parents and marry another and the two become one, what a mystery, and as humans we do not agree all the time do we?

If we do not understand physical analogies, how will we ever understand Spiritual realities?
It is what it is and is beyond physical comprehension, just as this whole earth planet and universe is, beyond human comprehension.
Just put the sun a little closer to earth and all would burn up, or a little farther away and we all would freeze to death.
The earth is made and with or without our help it goes on, wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there is a God, the creator and has revealed himself/herself through Son.
I know of no one in History that has shown anyone any better than the God-man Christ Jesus, do you know of anyone else? Did al those miracles, raised the dead back to life, fed five thousand, with a basket full of fish and had leftovers.
you see it really is all about whether one believes or does not believe, that is all that is left, to either believe or not?
Thank you for the simple ? That is only understood in the Spirit not carnally ever

 

[homwardbound]

The bible isn't for the gentiles that's why god let it become corrupted.Jesus said " 12"I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.13"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears," what is jesus talking about if he told you everything you needed? the people of israel were an "evil and adulterous generation" who didn't deserve the complete word of god.

And so does anyone deserve the complete word or any life? See the Mercy, praying so might be time to respond, in thanksgiving and praises, as Psalms 100:4 states what King David saw a far off coming the Messiah

 

[homwardbound]

Yet the so-called Paul who was on the way to kill Christians at the time wrote over 60% of the New Testatement.I mean if Hitler said he got a revelation from Moses alone on the way to kill it the jews wouldn't let him go nowhere near their scriptures.Yet the christians do. WHERE IS YOUR LOGIC (FACEPALM )

Again it all boils down to whether one believes or not, No logic can ever solve it
God said it I believe God, and that settles it at least for me.
no amount of anything will prove or disprove. For there have been miracles seen and still people chose and choose not to believe, okay
It Is what it is, there is no changing this for better or worse, only by the way one observes it, does it make it is what it is to that person.
God did what God did, that can't be changed

 

[homwardbound]

Why did Jesus say " "Elah, Elah, Lama Sabachthani?" " Google what "Ellah " means btw the first Arabic bible was translated in the 8th century while the Quran was sent down in the 6th century . The truth is clear from a lie .

Jesus was before Muhammad was ever here on earth. Mohammad came after Christ, and Mohammad a descent honest man that looked for unity, and wanted good things for all.
Did Mohammad raise anyone from the dead? Did Mohammad feed five thousand and the another 3,000 after that? Did Mohammad heal the sick instantly?
So Mohammad a Prophet or God?
So Jesus a Prophet, teacher only or God in the flesh?
Which flesh pleased God Mohammad's or Christ's?
Did Mohammad go to a cross and rise again from the dead?

 

[homwardbound]

Why did Jesus say " "Elah, Elah, Lama Sabachthani?" " Google what "Ellah " means btw the first Arabic bible was translated in the 8th century while the Quran was sent down in the 6th century . The truth is clear from a lie .

And the Elah Elah why hast thou forsaken me. Can the creator, view sin? does not sin cause death period?
So do you see why Father turned father's back at the exact moment "all" sin was placed upon Jesus? Jesus was and is sinless, but in the Mercy from Father, he took it all and placed it on son so that Father can today come and live in us to teach us truth over error, already made us right with him through Son, by the shed blood at the cross, which blood is the payment for sin from God, do you see that, it is in your Quran, about the sinless Jesus born of a Virgin
Did Mohammad shed any blood for you? A great teacher yes, but not the Savior or if he is to you then we disagree and that is your free will choice to believe or not
Thank you

 

[lookingforthetruth]

Yes it is hard to explain 3 as one and one as three?
Does water come in three forms and all water still, Water, ice and steam?
Is an egg known to be an egg without all three parts? White (Holy Ghost), Yoke (Father)and shell (Jesus's body flesh)
If you cut a cherry pie in three distinct slices, does not the filling flow right back together?
Is the body made up of three parts. Body. soul and Spirit?
Is the Body complete without all three parts? in order to be whole
Did Jesus come here to make live that part that was not made alive the Spirit? Did he not say this in John 3 and John 10:10. We must be born of the Spirit of God or we do not see the Kingdom?

1X1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1 =1 forever does it not?
How many parts are on the body yet it is one body? Consists of eyes, hands, feet and on and on we go. Yet is one body
The mysteries, since the beginning, God the creator over all, the Father of Jesus Christ, hmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how can they be two yet one? if you and I agree as one in all, then we would be one, hmm!!!!!!!!!!!!! just as a man is to leave his parents and marry another and the two become one, what a mystery, and as humans we do not agree all the time do we?

If we do not understand physical analogies, how will we ever understand Spiritual realities?
It is what it is and is beyond physical comprehension, just as this whole earth planet and universe is, beyond human comprehension.
Just put the sun a little closer to earth and all would burn up, or a little farther away and we all would freeze to death.
The earth is made and with or without our help it goes on, wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there is a God, the creator and has revealed himself/herself through Son.
I know of no one in History that has shown anyone any better than the God-man Christ Jesus, do you know of anyone else? Did al those miracles, raised the dead back to life, fed five thousand, with a basket full of fish and had leftovers.
you see it really is all about whether one believes or does not believe, that is all that is left, to either believe or not?
Thank you for the simple ? That is only understood in the Spirit not carnally ever

Let's use logic okay Jesus prayed to the father but the father never prayed and said " the father is greater than i " .The church says Jesus is a person,the father is a person and the holy spirit is a person but there only 1 god. so how much fraction of god is Jesus ? and the father is a greater fraction of god then Jesus . then what is left to the holy spirit .So according to your logic the father is not a whole god but rather half a god ? That's blasphemy what your saying . Jesus said" without my father i can do nothing " so Jesus is dependant on the father.Imagine that ! god dependant on another person.Again blasphemy your insulting gods potential... So if jesus is god and the father is god jesus=god=father yet the father is greater than jesus so jesus CANNOT equal what the father equals.This is the words of Jesus Christ one of the mightest men to ever walk this ever EVER.

 

[lookingforthetruth]

Again it all boils down to whether one believes or not, No logic can ever solve it
God said it I believe God, and that settles it at least for me.
no amount of anything will prove or disprove. For there have been miracles seen and still people chose and choose not to believe, okay
It Is what it is, there is no changing this for better or worse, only by the way one observes it, does it make it is what it is to that person.
God did what God did, that can't be changed

Jesus said "18And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone. " This is how jesus reacted for being called good he said no only God is good.What god would say only god is good ? this is how jesus is reacting for you calling him good imagine if you worshipped him he'd probably slap you straight out .

 

[lookingforthetruth]

Again it all boils down to whether one believes or not, No logic can ever solve it
God said it I believe God, and that settles it at least for me.
no amount of anything will prove or disprove. For there have been miracles seen and still people chose and choose not to believe, okay
It Is what it is, there is no changing this for better or worse, only by the way one observes it, does it make it is what it is to that person.
God did what God did, that can't be changed

Prove to me the bible is the word of God the bible says "[h=3]1 Thessalonians 5:21[/h]King James Version (KJV)

21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." Your own bible is telling you to prove it .How do you prove things ? with faith ? Prove to me the big bang theory happened ? with faith ? Obviously not ... with logic it's sad that im using ur own bible to prove my point this is how bad its become

 

[lookingforthetruth]

Jesus was before Muhammad was ever here on earth. Mohammad came after Christ, and Mohammad a descent honest man that looked for unity, and wanted good things for all.
Did Mohammad raise anyone from the dead? Did Mohammad feed five thousand and the another 3,000 after that? Did Mohammad heal the sick instantly?
So Mohammad a Prophet or God?
So Jesus a Prophet, teacher only or God in the flesh?
Which flesh pleased God Mohammad's or Christ's?
Did Mohammad go to a cross and rise again from the dead?

If jesus came down for the whole word then why did he say "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them saying, Go ye not into the way of the Gentiles,and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go ye rather unto The Lost Sheep Of The House Of Israel." Btw what did Jesus mean when he said " i have much to say unto you, but you cannot bear them now.When he the spirit of truth comes he the spirit of truth shall come he shall guide you to all truths for he shall not speak of his own iniative but of what he hears . This is the description of the spirit yeah . So jesus had lots more to say but he left you without finishing his message promising to sent another messenger another prophet another something.He later says "But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, theSpirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me" (John 15:26). Islam is the only Abrahamic religion which beliefs Jesus is the promised Messiah ,Jesus is the Christ. Now Jesus did all these awesome things but did he do it or did someone else do it ? Jesus says "without the father i can do of my ownself nothing " Imagine God saying this ? Honestly wake up to yourself.By saying Muhammad is a lier your honestly saying he can predict the future because of the prophecies in the Quran and hadith which came true.You see unlike the Christians i use logic to dictate my lives . I came here to understand the truth of what you said instead you've given falsehood one after the other . I'm disappointed. You keep saying fleshflesh . what a disgusting god u talk of who wants flesh . this is what the Romans believed about sacrificing flesh and whoa look watta coincidence which denomination does the pope belong to ? the roman catholic church which persecuted Christians... makes you wonder

 

[lookingforthetruth]

And the Elah Elah why hast thou forsaken me. Can the creator, view sin? does not sin cause death period?
So do you see why Father turned father's back at the exact moment "all" sin was placed upon Jesus? Jesus was and is sinless, but in the Mercy from Father, he took it all and placed it on son so that Father can today come and live in us to teach us truth over error, already made us right with him through Son, by the shed blood at the cross, which blood is the payment for sin from God, do you see that, it is in your Quran, about the sinless Jesus born of a Virgin
Did Mohammad shed any blood for you? A great teacher yes, but not the Savior or if he is to you then we disagree and that is your free will choice to believe or not
Thank you

When god wants something He just does it . That's how powerful He is. He made sin so He controls and He can frogive us. There is no need for blood God is forgiving and merciful all He asks is that you repent like jesus told you" repent" why would jesus tell you repent if he being the all-knowing God knew that he would die and he would lead mankind to salvation and jesus died for our sins ? You use your brains for everything in life yet when it comes to the most important thing , religion you put it aside ... :/ how sad

 

[notuptome]

Let's use logic okay Jesus prayed to the father but the father never prayed and said " the father is greater than i " .The church says Jesus is a person,the father is a person and the holy spirit is a person but there only 1 god. so how much fraction of god is Jesus ? and the father is a greater fraction of god then Jesus . then what is left to the holy spirit .So according to your logic the father is not a whole god but rather half a god ? That's blasphemy what your saying . Jesus said" without my father i can do nothing " so Jesus is dependant on the father.Imagine that ! god dependant on another person.Again blasphemy your insulting gods potential... So if jesus is god and the father is god jesus=god=father yet the father is greater than jesus so jesus CANNOT equal what the father equals.This is the words of Jesus Christ one of the mightest men to ever walk this ever EVER.

The problem here is very simple. You do not have a correct idea of Who God is. God is the High and Loft One who inhabits eternity. God inhabits eternity, all of eternity all the time. It is incorrect to believe that God is in heaven and He leaves there to be in Jesus. He is in all of eternity and in Jesus at the same time. Jesus prays to the Father so that we can grasp in some small way what is taking place as God prepares for himself an eternal offering for sin. As a man I cannot quite comprehend how God can inhabit eternity but this is the same God who spoke all things into existence that exist.

Just how does logic comprehend eternity, the infinite? Faith is the only tool that approaches the task and it cannot accomplish it alone.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[oldhermit]

Let's use logic okay Jesus prayed to the father but the father never prayed and said " the father is greater than i " .The church says Jesus is a person,the father is a person and the holy spirit is a person but there only 1 god. so how much fraction of god is Jesus ? and the father is a greater fraction of god then Jesus . then what is left to the holy spirit .So according to your logic the father is not a whole god but rather half a god ? That's blasphemy what your saying . Jesus said" without my father i can do nothing " so Jesus is dependant on the father.Imagine that ! god dependant on another person.Again blasphemy your insulting gods potential... So if jesus is god and the father is god jesus=god=father yet the father is greater than jesus so jesus CANNOT equal what the father equals.This is the words of Jesus Christ one of the mightest men to ever walk this ever EVER.

Son, your logic is faulty and you obviously do not understand enough about scripture to even be arguing this subject. You pick through passages that you feel will lend support to your ideas about Jesus with complete disregard for any texts that prove your theology to be in error. All you are doing is trying to turn scripture against itself by pitting one text against another. You are allowing your theology to determine you reading of the text rather that allowing the text to form your theology.

 

[notuptome]

When god wants something He just does it . That's how powerful He is. He made sin so He controls and He can frogive us. There is no need for blood God is forgiving and merciful all He asks is that you repent like jesus told you" repent" why would jesus tell you repent if he being the all-knowing God knew that he would die and he would lead mankind to salvation and jesus died for our sins ? You use your brains for everything in life yet when it comes to the most important thing , religion you put it aside ... :/ how sad

Perfect righteousness demands justice. Justice is eternal condemnation. The only atonement sufficient is the blood of God's Chosen Sacrifice, Himself.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[lookingforthetruth]

The problem here is very simple. You do not have a correct idea of Who God is. God is the High and Loft One who inhabits eternity. God inhabits eternity, all of eternity all the time. It is incorrect to believe that God is in heaven and He leaves there to be in Jesus. He is in all of eternity and in Jesus at the same time. Jesus prays to the Father so that we can grasp in some small way what is taking place as God prepares for himself an eternal offering for sin. As a man I cannot quite comprehend how God can inhabit eternity but this is the same God who spoke all things into existence that exist.

Just how does logic comprehend eternity, the infinite? Faith is the only tool that approaches the task and it cannot accomplish it alone.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Meh dont use logic hell isnta big deal or anything i have faith that ill win the lottery tmrw so it must happen even though the logic is tiny .Nah man i have faith really strong faith and you havent answered any of my claims instead you go onto a different claim .Do what im doing and pull ur answer apart answering bit by bit.Next bit you say god is infinite ? god isn'r infinite infinite does not exist in reality .If i took 5 apples away from infinity i have infinity -5 but in theory i have infinite .My religion says god is one , eternal , absolute , does not beget nor is beggoten , no1 is like HIm. I have logic and faith and a pure incorrupt scripture . You have neither . you cannot prove your faith because you cannot prove the bible is 100% the word of god . it might be the word of satan or a man or anything but instead its your own subjective opinion .I might believe my phone can fly and talk to me .I have faith that it does when your not around prove to me im wrong ? you logically do it not using faith jesus christ its so hard communicating with you because you intentionally don't use your brain