I want the truth , no beating around the bush
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First of all, I am in no way convinced that you have come for truth at all. I think you are an arrogant young man who is simply looking for a fight. You are trying to argue points you clearly do not understand and you are treating scripture as if it were the product of human reason. Scripture is not about logic. It is about revealed knowledge. God did not call us to logic but to faith. These are two opposite polls. If you understood scripture at all you would see that it defies logic on almost ever page. If you are serious about studying the nature of God I would be happy to help you and try to answer any honest questions you may have but, if all you are doing is looking for a fight you cannot possibly win then I have better things to do. It's your move!
Um actually god did call you to logic learn your own scripture "[h=1]1 Thessalonians 5:21 (King James Version) Prove all things " You say I'm arrogant i think your upset that i am speaking the truth because nowhere am i saying false things but rather i quote everything or well almost all i say . Look at you , your accusing me of arrogance and being a liar prove it . You haven't put a single quote in your response but you've made it subjective based on what you feel . Satan can influence feelings because we humans are prone to satan just like adam instead i rely on facts using the gift of logic that god gave to hhumans which he never gave animals ... [/h]
Matthew 27:46 (KJV)
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And about the ninth hour (3 PM) Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Psalm 22:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
In the course of checking how the Hebrew language read concerning “My God, My God”, it was astonishing to me that the first “My God” (Eli) in Hebrew, is the same word as “Me.” I surmise that these words “My God, My God” needed to be repeated for the sake of addressing both Christ and God Almighty. Remembering the prayer Jesus offered up before His arrest, I believe that the cup He asked to pass from Him was not the cross, but the separation from His Father that He knew was inevitable. Being isolated from your parents during the worst times in a person’s life, is likened unto a military man facing death without family or friends. That thought is literally horrible in anyone’s imagination.
All I can say at this point is that there was such a devastating separation at the cross, that one must consider the son of man being separated from the Son of God, along with being separated from His own Father because of our sins He was dying with. Recognizing that Jesus endured so much more than we (believers in Him) will ever be able to comprehend, I thought it necessary to mention, and consider.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And about the ninth hour (3 PM) Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Psalm 22:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
In the course of checking how the Hebrew language read concerning “My God, My God”, it was astonishing to me that the first “My God” (Eli) in Hebrew, is the same word as “Me.” I surmise that these words “My God, My God” needed to be repeated for the sake of addressing both Christ and God Almighty. Remembering the prayer Jesus offered up before His arrest, I believe that the cup He asked to pass from Him was not the cross, but the separation from His Father that He knew was inevitable. Being isolated from your parents during the worst times in a person’s life, is likened unto a military man facing death without family or friends. That thought is literally horrible in anyone’s imagination.
All I can say at this point is that there was such a devastating separation at the cross, that one must consider the son of man being separated from the Son of God, along with being separated from His own Father because of our sins He was dying with. Recognizing that Jesus endured so much more than we (believers in Him) will ever be able to comprehend, I thought it necessary to mention, and consider.
M
LFT, I am curious as to what 1 John says that is different than the earlier translations? To my understanding, it was just a few words. I have also heard that is also true of one of the Gospels, not sure which one. My question for you is this; are you under the impression that such trivia could hid the overall wisdom of God?
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Rationality / logic depends upon the consistency of observable regularities. For example, I know that every time I throw a rock into the air it will inevitably come down because it always has. It has never just stopped in mid-air. Any expectation that these “natural laws” can be overturned is generally regarded as irrational, illogical, and not to be given serious consideration. Yet, scripture is replete with examples of the “irrational.” It is not rational or logical to believe that three men can be thrown into a furnace of fire for an extended period and emerge unharmed and with not even so much as the smell of smoke on them, Daniel 3:24-27. It is patently absurd to believe that the earth can suddenly and instantaneously cease its rotational pattern for several hours without dramatically disturbing gravitational forces, Joshua 10:12-14. This is contrary to all the rules of logic. There is nothing in our experience within the field of human biology to suggest that a virgin can conceive a child or that someone who had been dead and entombed for four days can be raised simply by verbal command to rejoin the living. All of these examples are certainly inconsistent with our experience in observable regularities and defy all logic and reason. These things cannot be rationalized based upon natural processes. Again, scripture does not call us to logic, it call is to faith.[/FONT]
Rationality / logic depends upon the consistency of observable regularities. For example, I know that every time I throw a rock into the air it will inevitably come down because it always has. It has never just stopped in mid-air. Any expectation that these “natural laws” can be overturned is generally regarded as irrational, illogical, and not to be given serious consideration. Yet, scripture is replete with examples of the “irrational.” It is not rational or logical to believe that three men can be thrown into a furnace of fire for an extended period and emerge unharmed and with not even so much as the smell of smoke on them, Daniel 3:24-27. It is patently absurd to believe that the earth can suddenly and instantaneously cease its rotational pattern for several hours without dramatically disturbing gravitational forces, Joshua 10:12-14. This is contrary to all the rules of logic. There is nothing in our experience within the field of human biology to suggest that a virgin can conceive a child or that someone who had been dead and entombed for four days can be raised simply by verbal command to rejoin the living. All of these examples are certainly inconsistent with our experience in observable regularities and defy all logic and reason. These things cannot be rationalized based upon natural processes. Again, scripture does not call us to logic, it call is to faith.[/FONT]
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In an effort to conceptualize God, man has posed such questions as, where did God come from, how big is God, how long is eternity, or can God create a rock so big that he cannot lift it? These and other such questions attempt to understand God within [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]the confines of time and space.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Since man draws upon comparisons to understand things in this world, he quite naturally tries to understand God in the same way. In the absence of revelation, he can do nothing else. Man feels that he must be able to both qualify and quantify [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]everything in order to understand and categorize it. In the struggle of the [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]human mind to explain the nature of God, man has insisted upon measuring God through the process of natural comparisons. Since God stands outside of man’s ability to rationalize, it is impossible to conceptualize God in terms of time and space. [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Since we have nothing in our experience with which to compare God or eternity, these questions can add nothing to our understanding of God. God cannot be confined to time or space nor defined by any human metric. These are parameters of strictly linear measurements and can tell us nothing of the[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]unseen world.[/FONT]
In an effort to conceptualize God, man has posed such questions as, where did God come from, how big is God, how long is eternity, or can God create a rock so big that he cannot lift it? These and other such questions attempt to understand God within [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]the confines of time and space.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Since man draws upon comparisons to understand things in this world, he quite naturally tries to understand God in the same way. In the absence of revelation, he can do nothing else. Man feels that he must be able to both qualify and quantify [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]everything in order to understand and categorize it. In the struggle of the [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]human mind to explain the nature of God, man has insisted upon measuring God through the process of natural comparisons. Since God stands outside of man’s ability to rationalize, it is impossible to conceptualize God in terms of time and space. [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Since we have nothing in our experience with which to compare God or eternity, these questions can add nothing to our understanding of God. God cannot be confined to time or space nor defined by any human metric. These are parameters of strictly linear measurements and can tell us nothing of the[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]unseen world.[/FONT]
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Just me, for the record, Jesus was quoting Ps.22.1 in Matt.27.46 so we would read the Psalm and see what the body of Christ, his future Church, would have to endure. Ps.22.21 aligns with 2 Tim.4.17, referring to Paul's ministry, and Ps.22.13 lines up with the warning in 1 Pet.5.8 that Satan goes about "as a roaring lion seeking whom he may destroy". Ps.22.30 show us what Generation Matt.24.34 is referring to.
We need to keep in mind that Jesus was the second Adam? The first Adam sinned and died, the second Adam did not sin, and did not have to die(Jn.10.17-18), but did to lead us back to the life that preceded sin - through faith in his death and resurrection(Luke 24.39), to be accomplished in "the dispensation of the fullness of time"; Eph.1.10, Jn.13.36, 6.30-40-44-54-58-63.
Hashem Tzidkeinu