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danschance
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Please show me in scripture where it says a Christian can't be demon possessed.
Please show me where I "exalt[ed] demons over Jesus"
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Please show me where I "exalt[ed] demons over Jesus"
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Richie_2uk
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No, a Christian cannot be demon-possessed. 1 John 4:4 says: “Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.” The one that’s in us is the Holy Spirit. Again and again we’re told that if you’re a child of God, you’re indwelt by the Spirit of God. Paul put it very bluntly when He said, “If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his” (Romans 8:9). That’s one of the marvelous, wonderful possessions and great comforts that we have today. Now, do you believe that the Holy Spirit would indwell an individual along with a demon? I don’t think so! The Lord Jesus gave a very interesting parable in Matthew 12:43-45. He said that a demon went out of a certain man, and then the man got all cleaned up, but he was a vacant house. Then the demon came back and brought his friends with him. So the last state of the man was worse than the first. Why? Well, because the man was cleaned up, but he wasn’t indwelt by the Spirit of God. You see, that is the thing that’s essential today: To know that you are indwelt by the Spirit of God.
We are a tripart being...Spirit, soul and body. Holy Spirit comes into our spirit, and salvation of our soul begins, along with renewing of our mind according to the washing of the Word. Is a continuous process until we go "home".
If there are spirits harassing, it will be in the soul and mind part of us. Not posession because we are now bought back. Redeemed. Understanding the meanings of KJ terms like "grace" etc. will help greatly in our walk with Him.
If there are spirits harassing, it will be in the soul and mind part of us. Not posession because we are now bought back. Redeemed. Understanding the meanings of KJ terms like "grace" etc. will help greatly in our walk with Him.
I don't think this stands up to scripture. When we accept sin in our lives, we are opening up ourselves to the devil. Being born again, accepting God in our lives, none of this means that God takes away our freedom of choice.
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danschance
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I think you are partially correct. If we do what God asks and trust under His wing we wont fall prey to satan. On the other hand if I engage in sin I have stepped out from under the protective wing of God and might get demon possessed. Now people say that the Holy Spirit and demons cant be in the same place, but this is not a scriptural construct. Satan entered into the court of God and discussed Job. That means satan was in fact in the presence of God! Further more, Can the Holy Spirit be in the same place as disease, sickness and death? The answer is yes and this proves the Holy Spirit can go where He wishes. He can go into a brothel, a bar, a prison and even right into the heart of the most evil men on the planet if they turn to HIM. Even so many attempt to limit God by claiming he can't possibly go into a sinner, if that sinner has a demon. I simply disagree. Nothing can ever separate us from the love of God.
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danschance
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Those who claim the Holy Spirit can not inhabit a demon possessed person are also claiming there are places the Holy Spirit can not go. That means that the Holy Spirit is not omnipresent if He can't indwell a demon possessed person.
Good luck with that.
Good luck with that.
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The key to choosing between ministry or menace is knowing the Word of God, which has 10 pieces of strategic advice for you to get free and live free: 1.)Put on the whole armor of God (Ephesians 6:10,11,14,-17). 2.)Know satans devices ( 2 Corinthians 2:11). ( Don't allow anger, resentment, or unforgiveness in your life because that allows the devil to come in and take over. (Ephesians 4:25-27). 4.)Yield to Gods commandments and will for your life; and fight against the devils temptations: ( James 4:7,8). 5.)Be realistic, earnest, and watchful about things you allow in your life, such as attitudes, entertainment, and relationships: ( 1Peter 5:8). 6.) overcome the devil by the blood of Jesus: ( Revelation,12:11). 7.) Overcome the devil by the Word: ( 1John 2:14). 8.)Overcome addictions and bondages by the power of the Holy Spirit: ( Romans 8:14,15). 9.)Overcome the temptations and pains of the world by faith: ( 1John 5:4). 10.) Overcome the devil by reminding him that he is ultimately and utterly defeated: ( Revelation 20:10 ). i have a book called devils demons and deliverance, and that is what i copied this from, just in case some one would want to check out the book.
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The_highwayman
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Danny,
Are you stating that a Christian can be possessed if they fall into sin,which removes them from the protective hand of God and makes them then susceptible to demonic possession?
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Are you stating, that If I chose to sin by lusting after a woman, and have committed adultery in my heart by just looking at her in the wrong way, and according to your theology, I am immediately stripped from the protection of God and the Holy Ghost, I become weak and powerless over the strongman of perverse spirit, the strongman of perverse spirit comes into me and posses me wholly and now I am a blood bought, born gain, partaking of the divine nature of Christ, Spirit filled, AND now I AM a DEMON POSSESSED Christian! and I got that way, because of a single sin of lust of the eye and lust of the flesh.
Is that the Gospel you are teaching and preaching and the possessions you are "delivering" people from?
If so, Does not this theology remove the power of forgiveness of sin, which then means Christs work on the cross, his shed blood and his resurrection is powerless and did not correct the sin condition? [See Eph1.7 & 1 John 1.9] If I CHOOSE to sin, then I can ask for immediate forgiveness and not worry about being possessed!
Your entire theology is based on the sin conscience/nature. The Bible says that Christ was made sin, which made me the righteousness of God in Christ. The Bible also says that I been delivered from the powers of darkness and translated into the kingdom of Jesus [See 2 cor 5.21 & Col 1.9-18]
Do not get confused Danny, The above verses are not about OSAS or eternal security, they are for believers and those who live and walk in the Spirit. These verses along with many More and Jesus own words in Luke 11.33-36 assure us, as long as we live and walk in the Spirit, I cannot have any kind of darkness in me!
You should seriously study all of Luke 11, but [See Luke 11.33-36] these are the words of Jesus.
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Are you saying a Christian which falls away and begins walking in the Flesh and not in the Spirit can be possessed?
honestly...i don't know about " possessed " but it is possible to fall into a trap that is why when we fall we gotta ask God to cleanse us again, i'm speaking from experience also, because you do realize it is our will power to choose to do that wrong over the right thing, i got frustrated recently because i can't find a job so i needed some money.. so i started gambling and well the spirit of bondage had me i couldn't help myself i just kept running back to the arcade, i don't know if to call this demon possessed or what but spirits can still come on to us when we do wrong i had to ask God to cleanse me from this spirit of bondage and he did i felt the weight come off my chest and i had a free mind again
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The_highwayman
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Josh you were not possessed, you sinned and it was your choice to keep going back, the devil did not make you do it, neither did a demon, you made the choice to sin.
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You realized through conviction that you were sinning and you asked for forgiveness and the bondage was removed. That is Bible 101. Had you not responded to the conviction of the Holy Spirit, you would have placed yourself in death.
temptation is not sin, sin is a choice not a lifestyle or some demon making you do it. That is the biggest lie of all:
THE DEVIL OR HIS DEMONS MADE ME DO IT!
Nope, sorry you make the choice to sin, based on a temptation that is manifested to you. If you submit to God, resist the devil, he will flee.
[See James 1.12-18 & James 4.7]
The Bible says in 2 Peter 1.4 that by exceeding great and precious promises of God, we might be partakers of the divine nature. Romans 8.29 tells us we are to be conformed into the image of his son.
Jesus was in all points tempted yet without sin. We miss that, because we continually put Jesus on the pedestal of perfection. Make no mistake Jesus was perfect and we will never be perfect, but I believe we can renew our minds that we can be all points tempted, yet without sin. [See Heb 4.15] There are sins in my past that no longer tempt me and I do not commit them.
While we are on the subject, there is no such thing as unintentional sin, that is a lie from hell, to keep people paying alms and the church for atonement. These statements will no doubt ruffle many feathers and beliefs, but the word is clear about the sin cycle and it is found in James 1.12-18.
Read 2 Peter 1.1-11, Romans 8 and 2 Cor 5 and you will see that those passages alone completely refute what danschance and 2thewaters are preaching.
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