Do you believe that God accepts homosexuality or not?

[Rockbysea]

You're right tho. That's why it says to get the plank out if your own eye.

Yet it doesn't say not to use discernment. I never would have come back to Christ had someone not used judgement and told me I needed Him. That I obviously wasn't doing too well without him.

That’s good to hear. Absolutely…. That sexually immoral man in that scripture that Paul told them to cast out was later restored. He was restored because he repented after they reproved him because of his conduct. If they had sustained the attitude that they had and felt it was not their place to judge him he would have continued in his sin which would have led to his destruction. So it is clear that within the assembly believers are to judge on serious matters (sexual immorality is a serious matter and not about food and drink) and only if they do not have a plank in their own eye. But a practicing sexually immoral believer who does not want to repent after being thoroughly reproved should no longer be judged because now he’s under God’s judgement on the heathen.

 

[Galatians2-20]

God does not hate gay people, He simply hates sin. Why is sin so bad? Because sin is anything we do or think that exalts our selfish desires, ambitions and well being over the will of God and well being others.

When a person is saved, the Holy Spirit comes to live inside of that person to remove the stain of past sins committed and to give the believer strength over temptation (if they are willing to both believe and receive it). The Holy Spirit is the divine being that indwelt Jesus Christ (the Son of God who forsook his heavenly life and became a human in all ways) and empowered Him to live a life according to God's perfect will. In 2nd Peter 1 the Apostle writes that through the Spirit, God has given us access to everything needed to live a Godly life and to escape the lusts and contamination of this world. Because of this, we have no excuse to sin willfully and that our sin grieves the Holy Spirit.

In scripture God clearly defines what marriage is and what sex is for. Anything outside of God's will is sin. Homosexuality is a sin and, in God eyes, it is no different that any other sin, sexual or otherwise.

All people are born in the same state as Adam and Eve were when they began to reproduce after the fall, void of the Spirit of God and self centered. However, even though we are born with the tendency to sin embedded in us, a person is no more born gay than they are born a pervert, a nymphomaniac, an adulterer, a rapist, or a child molester.

 

[SpiritofFire]

Deuteronomy 8:18 But thou shalt remember the Lord thy God: for it is he that giveth thee powerto get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day

Didn't He give it to us? Again 20 million homes are EMPTY, with only 3 million homeless! 20-3 leaves 17 million homes still empty if we were to give every homeless individual a house!

The problem is not the wealth, BUT TO REMEMBER THE LORD OUR GOD!


Proverbs 14:31

31* He that oppresseth the poor reproacheth his Maker: but he that honoureth him hath mercy on the poor.

Proverbs 19:17

17* He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the Lord; and that; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.


We as a people now have tremendous wealth, but the poor is wholly oppressed!

 

[LatentAuthor]

The nature argument is irrelevant.

Then don't try to say it's "unnatural" when it clearly does occur naturally in nature.

 

[LatentAuthor]

DON'T YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT SICK SEXUAL PERVERSION IS?

You previously quoted 1st Corinthians 6:9-11 to talk about ". . .SICK ABOMINATION OF SEXUAL PERVERSION!!!" That passage also talks about adulterers. Christ taught that anyone who divorced for any reason other than adultery and re-married would be committing adultery. Clearly, then, you must feel that women who divorce faithful but physically abusive husbands and then re-marry are just as "sick" and "perverse" as homosexuals, correct? Or are you cherry-picking?

 

[LatentAuthor]

If the subject screams for help, they are innocent.

But if they don't scream loud enough, or no one hears, they should both be killed:

23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her,24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you."

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And if a woman isn't a virgin when she's married, she should also be killed. . .preferably in front of her parents:

20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death.

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Also, if the woman isn't engaged she has to marry her rapist:

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[c] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her.​

 

[Apostol2013]

Can you explain how something that occurs naturally in nature is unnatural? I don't think you understand what the word "natural" actually means.

God outlines what is natural by inspired scripture it is a lamp unto my feet

 

[Apostol2013]

We can try to outline what is natural with the reasoning of our own sight but God directs what is true He is the light the way the truth in Him is the life and the resurection

 

[Apostol2013]

Laten I pray that your eyes be open not to the rulings of the physical realm but to the light of Christ Jesus who formed everything and set the outlines of what is right , not to justify through weakness setting a standard of your own understanding To believe the word of God as written not howe want to understand it Satan is a liar do not trust in your own sight but by the very word of God ..

 

[Apostol2013]

But if they don't scream loud enough, or no one hears, they should both be killed:

23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her,24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you."

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And if a woman isn't a virgin when she's married, she should also be killed. . .preferably in front of her parents:

20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found,21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death.

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Also, if the woman isn't engaged she has to marry her rapist:

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[c] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her.​

You are quoting levitical law now the harshities are gone but the standard of morality remains but with the sacrifice of Jesus he is our high priest and has replaced the levitical priesthood to a new standard , study to show thyself approved never compromise for our lord said if you are luke warm I will spew you out ..

 

[Dan58]

There are 2 liberal interpretations of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13.

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22).
A Rabbi told me the prohibition in Leviticus 18 referred to inter-family relationships. The whole chapter is about unlawful sexual unions between relatives. The subject is set in vs 6; "None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the Lord" (Leviticus 18:6). So in the Rabbi's opinion, "mankind" meant someone who was kin to you. It was not a law against 2 unrelated males, but in-laws etc.

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13)
The same non-orthodox Rabbi interpreted this prohibition as referring to ritualistic behavior. The first 6 verses of the chapter set the subject, the pagan prostitutes of surrounding tribes would perform unnatural homosexual acts at their temple, this was symbolic of giving their seed to their god Molech. So in the Rabbi's opinion, this was not applicable to people born gay, but for the strait males who indulged in perverted sexual acts in the worship of Molech. God did not want the Israelites to emulate those pagan practices.

I personally don't agree with either view, but thought I'd mention how some justify homosexuality. The good Rabbi also quoted Romans 1:23&24; "And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves". He claimed Paul was also referring to idolatry, and the reason God gave them over to the lustful perversions of idol worship. Why a Rabbi read the new testament, I don't know?

 

[Rockbysea]

The good Rabbi also quoted Romans 1:23&24; "And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves". He claimed Paul was also referring to idolatry, and the reason God gave them over to the lustful perversions of idol worship. Why a Rabbi read the new testament, I don't know?

Why the “good Rabbi” left out verse 27:

“Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.”

I think I know.

 

[just-me]

But if they don't scream loud enough, or no one hears, they should both be killed:

23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her,24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you." ​

Deuteronomy 22:23-24 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

It is clear that the woman wanted sex with the wrong man. He has defiled another mans promise of marriage, and that is not loving your brother as yourself as the law says.


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And if a woman isn't a virgin when she's married, she should also be killed. . .preferably in front of her parents:

20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found,21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death.​

Deuteronomy 22:20-21 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

This was dishonoring her parents because she lied saying she was a virgin when she had lost her virginity previously. This is breaking another law that says to honor your father and mother.


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Also, if the woman isn't engaged she has to marry her rapist:

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[c] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her.​

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

This is to hold the man accountable. He will either hold true to his wife, or if he keeps the attitude of being a rapist, he will rape another woman sooner or later, and when found out, he would then be killed. The law was made to stop these types of people from continuing in sin. That is the love of God in action.

You're right tho. That's why it says to get the plank out if your own eye.

Yet it doesn't say not to use discernment. I never would have come back to Christ had someone not used judgement and told me I needed Him. That I obviously wasn't doing too well without him.

responding to Elizabeth619 That’s good to hear. Absolutely…. That sexually immoral man in that scripture that Paul told them to cast out was later restored. He was restored because he repented after they reproved him because of his conduct. If they had sustained the attitude that they had and felt it was not their place to judge him he would have continued in his sin which would have led to his destruction. So it is clear that within the assembly believers are to judge on serious matters (sexual immorality is a serious matter and not about food and drink) and only if they do not have a plank in their own eye. But a practicing sexually immoral believer who does not want to repent after being thoroughly reproved should no longer be judged because now he’s under God’s judgement on the heathen.

1 Peter 4:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

To Elizabeth619 and Rockbysea.. I commend you both for your insight! Good show!

 

[homwardbound]

Until one of you beats death, none here has the right to judge any man according to the flesh!

Yes, for:
John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

now that is for each person to decide in them what is okay for them and not for others

1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
1 Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

So does God desire to have a personal relationship with each of us? And who am I to judge another?
All things are permissible for me, not all things are beneficial, and it is I who gets to decide what is and what is not beneficial for me, and that is the same for all from God the Father through Christ
God does just love us all, first and foremost. So is it time to respond with:
[h=3]Psalm 100:4[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Enter into his gates with thanksgiving,
and into his courts with praise:
be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
I mean you all know if you believe or not right? Why then the fight over and the Judgment of each of us here in condemning others as if we that believe or claim to do not deserve death as well
I praise no one that condemns others, putting them into the captivity that the perfect Law can't do with one born of the flesh and dead in the Spirit, needing life in Father and that is only accomplished by belief
Thank you for all that do believe God knows who you are and who are not, whether one claims it or not

 

[chubbena]

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

This is to hold the man accountable. He will either hold true to his wife, or if he keeps the attitude of being a rapist, he will rape another woman sooner or later, and when found out, he would then be killed. The law was made to stop these types of people from continuing in sin. That is the love of God in action.

In the old times man were to protect woman. In present times it is difficult because a. women have become so independent of men. b. the way of living has changed.
I agree with the holding the man accountable part but if he keeps going, I don't think there's a law commanding he'd be killed. He has to face the same judgment, pay the same penalty and marry the next victim. Yes, more than a wife now.
Question to ask is, who in the right mind would go near such a person alone? Unlike present day the identity of an offender is usually covered up, back then everyone knew because they lived in such close proximity and relation. But then it's "just me" thinking...

 

[homwardbound]

Already done in another thread...

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/79712-10-commandments-3.html#post1299300

Actually by Christ at the cross we are by his death made:

Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

If one believes god in this last act of forgiveness and sees this as truth then god the Father, takes you to the new life in the Spirit of god at the resurrected Christ, Born again as Christ told Nicodemus, and we learn from God what is beneficial and what is not, for me over the years I have learned from Father to say no in agreement with Father as to what is better for me in the long run over the short run of flesh desires that only want their own way as to what they see as being right
ThankYou

 

[homwardbound]

Don't take God for a fool that He does not mean what He says.

And this is what he says:
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

 

[homwardbound]

Actually you have absolutely no clue what I am trying to do. All I was trying to do is show you how your logic is flawed. Which most people can see for themselves without being pointed out.

As for starving children I don't know why you feel the need to bring that up in about every thread. I have asked you how many hungry mouths you have fed while sitting online, and you say nothing. So, all I see is you sitting behind a screen whining about something you don't seem to have any desire to do anything about.

Also, the world has enough resources to feed every mouth on this planet. No one has to go hungry, but governments tend to like to control things. You blame money, and money is not the direct issue. It is government. Yes, government and money do go together, but policies and corrupt leaders are the problem. So if you want to make a change and actually help people then get off your butt and do something instead of making rants. Go plant food. Go hunting and give the meat to the poor. Stop paying for your internet and donate it to charity.

That might be the problem the "I" in the way. you decide I can't for you or anyone else that has that problem, holding me accountable and asking god for the truth as a whole, not sectioned out.

 

[homwardbound]

Who takes care of you, God or money?

"GOD" Thank you, seek ye the kingdom of heaven above everything else and ALL our needs are supplied.

 

[homwardbound]

So point the finger at something else and that makes the first sin OK?

God plainly says that homosexuality is an abomination. Smoke and mirrors do not change that.

And that is for each person in themselves between God and them to decide for themselves, for it is god that does what Brother not you, me or anyone else
1 Corinthians 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.