God has future animal sacrifices planned

[IntoTheVoid]

alas....dis is so. don't blame ya for that.
pick someone who seems to make sense and give it a go.

OR: go buy a bible and just read it and ask God to show you if it is real.

Make sense? Lol. With all the talk on this board of various things such as Demon Posession, Human Sacrifice, Animal Sacrifice, Lakes of Fire, Raptures, Talking to the Dead etc. I'm afraid I can't make sense of any of that lol

 

[Elin]

Make sense? Lol. With all the talk on this board of various things such as Demon Posession, Human Sacrifice, Animal Sacrifice, Lakes of Fire, Raptures, Talking to the Dead etc. I'm afraid
I can't make sense of any of that lol

If you can walk and chew gum at the same time, you can make sense of this:

You are a sinner.
Jesus died for sinners.
Jesus was buried.
Jesus rose from the dead.
Jesus ascended into heaven.
Jesus will come again to judge the living and the dead.

You must believe in Jesus of Nazareth to be saved from God's wrath on your sin at the judgment.

 

[morninglory]

It would be good for anyone to show me that the term 'remnant' that applies to a redeemed people other than the people of Israel. You can use old or new testament, doesn't matter. Make sure you give the scriptures so that I can look them up for myself. Thanks

BradC

A very obscure subject... I notice that throughout the book of Revelations that NO ONE escapes the mark of the beast(Rev.13.16-17), Also NO ONE escapes the deception of mystery Babylon(Rev.18.23), so I am thinking the remnant refered to is those that preceded all of that, and left us words from God that are spirit and life(Jn.6.63, Rev.Rev.2.7-11-17-29, 3.613-22, 22.17) intended to bring us into complete unity(1 Cor.1.10, Eph.1.10, Phil.2.2), and through the words of the remnant(Bible), we grow into a multitude. Acts.17.26 with Jer.31.35-36, Eph.2.19-20, Hos.1.10-11, Rev.7.9 ; If we are not Israel, we are not the descendants of Adam(Deut.32.8). I hope that helps

Hashem Tzidkeinu

 

[zone]

Animal sacrifices in eternity?

IF?

"By one sacrifice he has made perfect forever (that's eternity!) those who are being made holy."

What would animal sacrifices be for?

Gads!

Just what does a doctrine have to say before one knows it is false?

 

[morninglory]

Is Israel in the land? All of the land God promised them? If not then all the prophecies have not been fulfilled.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I can't rightly comment about Israel inheriting all the land that God promsied them, because there is question as to just who Israel actually is, but the promise to Abraham and his seed that the Gentiles inherited has NOT been fulfilled. Gen.13.17 "Arise and walk through the land in the length and breadth of it, for I will give it unto thee". I am just curious as to what scriptures anyone would supply that changed that promise into going to heaven after we die?

Hashem Tzidkeinu

 

[morninglory]

Animal sacrifices were to point to the coming sacrifice of Christ. In the future, they will do the same thing. This is why we read...

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

No human, even in the Millenium, will be perfect. The Passover will still be observed to point to the sacrifice Christ made once for all.

Animal sacrifices cannot remit sin. There are two ways sin is paid for, either the sinner dies for his sins, or One dies in His place.

Matt.5.48 "be ye therefore PERFECT, even as your Father in heaven is PERFECT". 2 Tim.3.16-17 "All scripture is given by inspsiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be PERFECT, throughtly furnished unto all good works", James 3.2 "for in many things we offend all, if any man offend not in word, the same is a PERFECT man, and able to bridle the whole body"; Luke 6.40 "--everyone that is perfect shall be as his master'; 1 John.3.2 "--and it doeth not yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when we see him we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is"; Heb.12.22-23 "but ye are come unto mount Zion(Ps.84.7), and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem(Jer.51.50), and to an innumerable company of angels(Matt.16.27), to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made PERFECT". ...there is more

Hashem Tzidkeinu

 

[zone]

Make sense? Lol. With all the talk on this board of various things such as Demon Posession, Human Sacrifice, Animal Sacrifice, Lakes of Fire, Raptures, Talking to the Dead etc. I'm afraid I can't make sense of any of that lol

OR: go buy a bible and just read it and ask God to show you if it is real.

ask Him to reveal the truth.

 

[morninglory]

Musings. To observe on some of these threads what a portion of supposed born again believers teach and adhere to ... right down to the re-instituting of animal sacrifices while the perfect Lamb of God Himself is bodily present no less, is beyond disturbing. The mere suggestion of it nauseates me to the uttermost and denigrates the single greatest act of love and mercy shown mankind in Christ's sacrifice of Himself on the cross for our sins. Is it to be a "reminder or remembrance" of Christ's crucifixion and suffering you or mankind will need and/or seek ? I have a suggestion for you. Look upon the nail holes in his hands and feet. Place your hand thru His side where a spear was once thrust. Touch and feel His head where a crown of thorns was once embedded while onlookers scorned and mocked God's most precious and Holy Son. Gaze upon His back where the lashes ripped and shred the flesh from His body. Or simply wash the spit of those decrepit self-righteous accusers from His face. But NEVER believe that the sacrifice of ANY animal, however "perfect" it's shape or form can even remotely serve as a reminder or remembrance of Christ's so great a sacrifice of Himself. Rather, look in the mirror ... and see one deserving of death mercifully rescued and saved from his/her just reward for their deeds ... because God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believed in Him would not perish but have everlasting life. And that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. And lastly ; Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth. Forsake her not and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.

A nice message, however, since Isa.66.21 shows that there will be a priesthood in the new Heaven and earth, what will the priest eat, seeing the sacrafices included more than meat, and was their food?

Hashem Tzidkeinu

 

[zone]

A nice message, however, since Isa.66.21 shows that there will be a priesthood in the new Heaven and earth, what will the priest eat, seeing the sacrafices included more than meat, and was their food?

Hashem Tzidkeinu

since there will be no more death, nothing will be killed for food.

seriously...levitical priests in eternity?

Isaiah 66
20"Then they shall bring all your brethren from all the nations as a grain offering to the LORD, on horses, in chariots, in litters, on mules and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem," says the LORD, "just as the sons of Israel bring their grain offering in a clean vessel to the house of the LORD. 21"I will also take some of them for priests and for Levites," says the LORD. 22"For just as the new heavens and the new earth Which I make will endure before Me," declares the LORD, "So your offspring and your name will endure.

isn't Isaiah is doing just what Ezekiel did - looking forward (in Hebrew promise language) to Christ (The Priest); the Church (to My holy mountain Jerusalem) - (which is born from above - New Jerusalem is our mother), then eternity in the new creation.

the return from Babylon, then the ingathering at Pentecost..where the brethren were brought in as a grain offering....by the priesthood (1 Peter 2:5)...then the eternity promise (the new heavens and the new earth - enduring)

makes sense?

 

[peacefulbeliever]

hmm...i thought we determined that you relied on Bullinger

my apologies.
perhaps we just discussed the match in theologies.

it does though.
completely.

I do not rely on Bullinger although I do use some of his works - Figures of Speech of the Bible and A Critical Lexicon and Concordance to the English and Greek New Testament. As for having anything to do with my salvation NO - I am saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ - not by pre-mil, amil, post mil, etc.

so i`m sorry, hours have passed.
are you saying you`re looking for a past literal fulfillment of the distribution...from ezekiel

because what are you going to do with this:

<snip>

I had said before in another thread, some time ago, that Ezekiel 48 was the division of land given to Israel - the twelve tribes - for the Millennium. You had told me that Ezekiel 48 has already been fulfilled. . . I just wanted a map of that distribution and there should be one although I am having trouble finding it - thanks.

 

[morninglory]

yes thanks.
most of my early posts were intended to provoke thought - concerning the blasphemy of claiming God has not fulfilled His promises...and worse...that he will resume sacrificing animals.

everything is fulfilled in CHRIST.

Zone, this will veer some from the subject of this thread, and it probably should be a different thread, but as far as Jesus fulfilling all things, I believe that he fulfilled HIS part, but where Heb.2.8 says "Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. -- but now we see NOT YET all things put under him". 1 Cor.15.26 says "the last enemy to be destroyed is death", and Heb.10.12-13 "after Jesus had offered one sacrafice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; from HENCEFORTH EXPECTING till his enemies BE MADE his footstool". Grant it, Heb.9.27 says "it is appointed unto man once to die--", but Heb.2.9 says Jesus - tasted death for EVERY man", and Rom.16.20 says "the God of peace will bruise Satan under your/our feet shortly". If Christ is the head of the body, wouldn't the last and inheriting generation be the feet the Holy Ghost referred to through Paul's writings? Eph.5.14 Wherefore he sayeth, Awake from sleep and arise from the dead and Christ will give thee light". Wouldn't that be speaking to the reader rather than those in the grave? Anxious to hear your opinon.

Hashem Tzidkeinu - now and forever

 

[morninglory]

Animal sacrifices in eternity?

IF?

"By one sacrifice he has made perfect forever (that's eternity!) those who are being made holy."

What would animal sacrifices be for?

Gads!

Just what does a doctrine have to say before one knows it is false?

And here you have where uncertain private interpretation of prophetic riddles leads.

So the moral is, that if YOU don't approve, God shouldn't allow it? I said it is not our call, which means it is not up to us, and it isn't. How in the world to you determine that to be a private interpretation? You should read the rest of the post you left out of your response. Pehaps it is you that are doing the private interpreting. God is our Judge, or rather God, through his word, is our judge.

Hashem Tzkideinu

 

[morninglory]

It's a Christian hymn.

Without sound I coudn't tell, but the lyrics are still nice.

 

[morninglory]

since there will be no more death, nothing will be killed for food.

seriously...levitical priests in eternity?

Isaiah 66
20"Then they shall bring all your brethren from all the nations as a grain offering to the LORD, on horses, in chariots, in litters, on mules and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem," says the LORD, "just as the sons of Israel bring their grain offering in a clean vessel to the house of the LORD. 21"I will also take some of them for priests and for Levites," says the LORD. 22"For just as the new heavens and the new earth Which I make will endure before Me," declares the LORD, "So your offspring and your name will endure.

isn't Isaiah is doing just what Ezekiel did - looking forward (in Hebrew promise language) to Christ (The Priest); the Church (to My holy mountain Jerusalem) - (which is born from above - New Jerusalem is our mother), then eternity in the new creation.

the return from Babylon, then the ingathering at Pentecost..where the brethren were brought in as a grain offering....by the priesthood (1 Peter 2:5)...then the eternity promise (the new heavens and the new earth - enduring)

makes sense?

Sorry Zone, but your response is called "jumping to a conclusion", I asked a question. However you seem to be in agreement with what I mentioned in another post, that Jesus is the river of Life in Ez.47, and sin sacrifice is not mentioned again. But are you of the impression that everyone will receive eternal Bodies like Jesus had?

 

[Elin]

Animal sacrifices in eternity?

IF?

"By one sacrifice he has made perfect forever (that's eternity!) those who are being made holy." (Heb 10:14)

What would animal sacrifices be for?

Gads!

Just what does a doctrine have to say before one knows it is false?

And here you have where uncertain private interpretation of prophetic riddles leads.

So the moral is, that if YOU don't approve, God shouldn't allow it?
I said it is not our call, which means it is not up to us, and it isn't.

No, the obvious moral is that since the word of God in Heb 10:14 does not contradict itself,
God's "call" is Heb 10:14.

How in the world to you determine that to be a private interpretation?

Well, let's clear that up.

What is the basis for animal sacrifices in eternity?

 

[zone]

Zone, this will veer some from the subject of this thread, and it probably should be a different thread, but as far as Jesus fulfilling all things, I believe that he fulfilled HIS part, but where Heb.2.8 says "Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. -- but now we see NOT YET all things put under him". 1 Cor.15.26 says "the last enemy to be destroyed is death", and Heb.10.12-13 "after Jesus had offered one sacrafice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; from HENCEFORTH EXPECTING till his enemies BE MADE his footstool". Grant it, Heb.9.27 says "it is appointed unto man once to die--", but Heb.2.9 says Jesus - tasted death for EVERY man", and Rom.16.20 says "the God of peace will bruise Satan under your/our feet shortly". If Christ is the head of the body, wouldn't the last and inheriting generation be the feet the Holy Ghost referred to through Paul's writings? Eph.5.14 Wherefore he sayeth, Awake from sleep and arise from the dead and Christ will give thee light". Wouldn't that be speaking to the reader rather than those in the grave? Anxious to hear your opinon.

Hashem Tzidkeinu - now and forever

be careful now - that sounds like the first resurrection

 

[zone]

Sorry Zone, but your response is called "jumping to a conclusion", I asked a question.

However you seem to be in agreement with what I mentioned in another post, that Jesus is the river of Life in Ez.47,

and sin sacrifice is not mentioned again.

But are you of the impression that everyone will receive eternal Bodies like Jesus had?

okay
right
right
yes

 

[Dwark]

Ya, now there is going to be a big fight over the sauces; BBQ, Teryiaki, Korean, Mmmmmm. Now I'm hungry.

 

[morninglory]

No, the obvious moral is that since the word of God in Heb 10:14 does not contradict itself,
God's "call" is Heb 10:14.


Well, let's clear that up.


What is the basis for animal sacrifices in eternity?

Heb.10.14 "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that ARE SANCTIFIED". Heb.10.26 "for if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrafice for sins".

I repeat, it is NOT OUR DECISION! What will you do, stop and make sure there is no animal sacrafice before you enter the gates to heaven? And if some did not make the "sanctified" group, and God wants the sin sacrifice to continue for them, will you turn around and go the other way? I repeat, it is not our decision. One scripture does not contridict other scriptures, rather the scriptures confirm, explain and re confirm themselves, so it is important to look to the whole word of God for our certainties.

 

[morninglory]

okay
right
right
yes

Zone, concerning the last "yes", Where Eph.5.14 calls us to awake thou that sleepest and arise from the dead, Jer.51.39 with Jude 12 show some will sleep a perpetual sleep and NOT awake, and 1 Cor.15.53-54 seem to agree with Dan.12.2 & Jn.5.29 that there will be a dual reserrection, and not ALL will receive GLORIFIED bodies. What do you think about that?