Lev 11:7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
Lev 11:8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
Isa 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
here are just two of the scriptures that tell us that pork is unclean. by the way for your information that is God speaking not man.
Yes, God renderned it unclean under the law they were under. It represented the separation of the Jew's and Gentiles as we see later in Acts 10, is no longer true. It was an abomination, because God said no not eat it under the law they were under. Yet this does not trump over into the NT in which GOD says nothing is to be refused.
So now lets examine some of these new testament scriptures that so many seem to think God changed his mind on.
Lets start with Acts 10:
Act 10:10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
First point, Peter is hungry when he goes into vision.
Act 10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
Act 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Notice that Peter hears God tell him to eat meats that are forbidden by God in the Old Testament, So Peter says no.
Notice that Peter in the New Testament who was filled with the Holy Spirit, who had the instruction of Jesus when he said its not what goes into a man that makes him unclean, this same Peter refused to eat unclean meats. Thus he clearly knew that they were unclean still.
Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 10:16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
Notice that it happened three times, what happened, God said eat and Peter refused to eat because it was unclean.
Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
Now a very important point, Peter did not get the vision, He did not persieve it to be about food, for that matter he was unsure what it was about.
Now why three times?
Answer: Three men came to ask Peter to come to Cornelius's house. Three Gentiles who were considered by the Jews as unclean.
Act 10:7 And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continually;
Two servants and a soldier.
Act 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
Now see how Peter understands the vision after the events at Cornelius's house.
Act 11:10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
Act 11:11 And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.
Act 11:12 And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:
Act 11:13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Act 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
There you have it, Peter knew that the vision was not really about food, but about the gentiles. Peter is clear.
No where here is there any hint of God making unclean meats clean unless you ignore the rest of the story and the context.
This does not prove why God used foods he once said was unclean to represent the Gentiles.
Why would he tell Peter (even in a vision) to eat what he said not to eat, unless that was no longer binding.
In fact, this vision shows us why God rendered some clean some unclean, there would be no reason in using food to relate the message of accepting the Gentiles, why not just use Gentiles. This should teach you why God declared foods as clean and unclean, so it is no mystery why Paul would tell us "every creature is good" and "Nothing to be refused". Yet you are ignroing this, because God used it as a vision and a message.
Lets examine another text used.
Mar 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
First we need to acknowledge a few things, first the word meats here in the greek is (bromata) which means "that which is eaten" in other words food. it in no way is limited to flesh meats. Thus it pays to look up the greek before espousing ones views.
With that in mind context is important.
Mar 7:2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
Notice they were eating bread and the issue was they had not washed their hands it wasn't even the bread itself. So flesh meat is not even in question here. So, so far both the word used and the context leave no room for us to assume anything of clean and unclean meats.
The issue here is the washing of hands. Jesus is simply saying that their traditions are the problem
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Notice again Jesus is speaking about the washing of pots etc.
Here is Jesus point:
Mar 7:14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
Mar 7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
Mar 7:16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Notice The point of Jesus is that its not what goes in that makes a man defiled but rather what comes out of the heart. He never says anything about clean or unclean. When we disobey God and eat unclean meats that He said is unclean. its not the eating of the unclean meat that makes you unclean. No its the uncleanness of your heart that causes you to disobey God. the eating of the unclean meat is simply the fruit of a bad heart. Yet as stated Jesus is not even dealing with clean unclean meats.
Again using this passage to prove we can eat anything is a miss use of Jesus' words and that is teaching the commandments of Men because God did not teach it.
Hmmm another bunch of words trying to explain how jesus did not mean what it says. It does not matter that the issuue was started with the washing of hands.
The response still means what it means. You looked up a greek word that agreed with the translation and proved nothing except the translators did a good job.
It's not what goes into the mouth that defiles....Stop there, here is his response. No the issue that started this was about washing hands. but the response would still condratic God if some meats did defile us. So again we have here another response that proves "nothing is to be refused" just as God told Peter, Paul told timothy, and I am repeating to you.
These lengthy response is just a bunch of words, needed to try and explain away what is stated plain and simple. I see you do this for every passage I ahve brought up, yet nothing is refuting me except you assumption the passages don't mean what they say.
Another;
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
This should be intresting.
Now this one is also used, Lets take a quick look at it.
Again the word for meats here is simply foods. it is in no way simply flesh meat. its about all foods. Well which foods?
Why do you keep repetaing this? Who said meat was not food? This no way helps you, it is just redundant.
Simple the foods that are clean. there is no reason to believe that Paul is including unclean meats in this statement. you have to read that into it. Those who know there Old Testament scripture would know that Paul refers here to foods that are sanctioned by God and are clean.
No, you are reading into and changing the meaning of words, it is sad.
Every - all inclusive EVER CREATURE the includes all God's creation of animals. I dont have to read into that, it just simplpy what it means, you must give a far fetched explianaion saying this does not really include unclean meats, it doesnt, because under the NT there are no unclean meats.
Paul would not say this, knowing there are some foods we are forbidden to eat. This is really sad what your doing just so you can feel right.
You need to prove how EVERY CREATURE does not really mean EVERY CREATURE
Why would Pual say "nothing is to be refused" if there was things that were to be refused??????
The context is FOOD! The Answer is NOTHING TO BE REFUSED of the statement EVERY CREATURE
if their was some food to be refused, now would be the time to say it, because this is the context. Your seriously going to try and explain this away? FAIL
Another point the is brought out here is marriage which is included with the foods. Marrigae is also sanctioned by God. but there are rules, are we to think now that Paul is saying that all the marriage rules are gone now? No God forbid. so why do that to the foods part? It is because we love sin more than God.
No it because you love trying to be right more than truth. This again refutes nothing.
And let me ask you since you bring up Divorce laws. Which are we to follow if the OT laws are not Gone???
Are we to follows Christ - Mat 19:9 - or Moses;
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They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8 He saith unto them,
Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
This shows Moses really did commad it, it was not just a misinterpretation of the Jews
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And I say unto you,( This shows the change in the law pertianing to divorce) Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery
So which I am I to follow if they both are binding. This really is not helping you bring this up.
Now some get stuck on the "every creature" part and say see its animals, lets just suppose that this is the case. you still have no case for Paul including unclean meats. why? because the verse before said "God hath created to be received" so Paul is only referring to those things that God has given for food. It does not say anything goes.
Thats' right, and hes labeling those who bind this on others as "false teacher" that do not know the truth.
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
So this is his statement concerning things to be abstained from. So he cannot be speaking of only the clean animals under the OT because the Next verse refutes that showing he is speaking of God's creation.
To be received - does not mean, only the clean animals of OT, this means God created all animals to be received with thanksgiving TO THEM THAT KNOW THE TRUTH because the next verse makes that clear.
Your trying to twist it into meaning what you need it to mean so you can be right, yet look how many passages your having to do this to, when it is clear.
Another point on the "creature" word is that this word means created, thus Paul is only referring to all things created. Now one might argue that unclean meats are created and they would be correct. however Paul said as mentioned above the foods that were created to be received.
More mumbo jumbo dude, none of your points are even senscial, this also does not help you. Every Creature, means every creature, period. That is why the HS choose to use these words when teaching us of what we can eat or not eat, and guess what he also choose the words "nothing to be refused". That would be a lie, if there was in fact "cratures" that were to be refused.
Clearly there is no basis for saying we can eat meats that are unclean that were not given to be received by God. And God even told us that in the Bible. unclean not to be received.
There are alot of basis, Every passge you attempted to refute. You only showed if you change the meaings of the words, it could mean......no thanks. This has been a failure so far, because you are really going to far lengths to attept to twist the word of God, and you logic is allowing to laws for divorce that are against each other. You need to stop now.
One more:
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
The first premise is do not judge, simple. He is not arguing right and wrong but don't judge.
Wrong again, this was maybe the most sad of all these statements. This has nothing to do with Judging, do you not believe in context or what?
Vs 8 begans with Paul warning the COl of false teachers like you.
He continues to show in verse 10 they are circumzied spirutally and not by the law.
Then he gets to verse 14 after making his point that they have been forgiven and made children of God, even though the law said that gentiles could not be.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, h
ath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses
14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,
(THE LAW) which was contrary to us,
and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it
THe Law that was against them, the law of Moses, that said Gentiles were unclean, (as in foods) was taken out of the way and nailed to the cross of Christ - NOTHING ABOUT JUDGEING SO FAR
This leads into the next point, therefore let NONE JUDGE YOU on things pertaining to the Law:
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Second Premise is that these meats and drinks and holy days and new moons and Sabbaths were shadows of things to come.
NOW HIS POINT, DO NOT LET ANY JUDGE YOU FOR NOT KEEPING THE SABBATH, FROM NOT ABSTAINING FROM CERTAIN MEATS, FROM NOT RESPECTING HOLIDAYS
THERE IS HIS POINT, THEY ARE NAILED TO THE CROSS, YOU WANT US TO BE IN BONDAGE AGAIN, AND YOU ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT PAUL TOLD THE CHRISTIANS TO NOT LET ANYONE DO, JUDGE THEM ON THE THINGS YOU ARE JUDGING AS STILL BINDING
HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THIS? HOW HAVE TO WANT NOT TO SEE IT. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SIN OF JUDGING, BUT EVERYTHING TO DO WITH DO NOT LET ANYONE JUDGE YOU ON THESE THINGS------THAT INCLUDES YOU!!!!!
NO NEED IN GOING ANY FURTHER ON THIS RESPONSE, YOU HAVE SHOWN YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE BASIC PASSAGES PERTAINING TO THIS, AND SHOWED HOW FAR YOU WILL GO TO TWIST THE WORD OF GOD, I HOPE YOU WILL REPENT, AS OF NOW YOU ARE SINNING.