-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
- Status
I
i think my stance is well documented on here through the pages.
34The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. 36Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only? 37If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment. 38But if anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1Ti 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
im not a judge of all women. nowhere have i even presented myself that way. its instruction. people have problems with Gods way that they love to take their frustrations out with their brethren.
34The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. 36Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only? 37If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment. 38But if anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1Ti 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
im not a judge of all women. nowhere have i even presented myself that way. its instruction. people have problems with Gods way that they love to take their frustrations out with their brethren.
You really enjoy putting words into other people's mouths and inventing things they never said or considered. If I believed God hated women, would I love Him? Would I serve Him and seek Him? Would I say that I believe women deserve respect and honor and that some are called to preach and teach? Nope. I wouldn't. But you're not interested in what I'm saying, only your agenda and what you want people to say, so you can be right.
Hmmm, if I sound ridiculous to you, I'll count that as a good thing. You sound ridiculous to me. Que sera sera and, dare I say, to each his/her own.
On a side note, beware of drawing conclusions based on your own filters. Those tend to be way off base. Never once did I even imply that God hates women, so where you gained that conclusion from me saying you must hate women leads to a conclusion drawn of its own...if you can see it.
On a side note, beware of drawing conclusions based on your own filters. Those tend to be way off base. Never once did I even imply that God hates women, so where you gained that conclusion from me saying you must hate women leads to a conclusion drawn of its own...if you can see it.
Last edited:
I
yes, you indeed sound ridiculous to me. you sound like the female that screms, "thats unfair!" when she doesnt like a certain circumstance like this 1 here.
i love women. but i love God more, which is why im single and celibate and waiting for a good christian woman that God will bless me with.
yea, i have very little patience for a certain type of female. but dont confuse that with "hate". much like im sure theres certain types of men you have little patience for. that dont mean you hate men. so dont draw those silly conclusions.
i love women. but i love God more, which is why im single and celibate and waiting for a good christian woman that God will bless me with.
yea, i have very little patience for a certain type of female. but dont confuse that with "hate". much like im sure theres certain types of men you have little patience for. that dont mean you hate men. so dont draw those silly conclusions.
I
not at all.
Gods way is perfect. He left it the way He did for one reason. so we would be able to live peacefully among each other. and the way he left man and woman to coincide with each other is based on eve being the 1st to sin.
if women do as God told them, and be submissive, then there would be peace between man and woman. but today, woman got away from that and look how it is today.
Gods way is perfect. He left it the way He did for one reason. so we would be able to live peacefully among each other. and the way he left man and woman to coincide with each other is based on eve being the 1st to sin.
if women do as God told them, and be submissive, then there would be peace between man and woman. but today, woman got away from that and look how it is today.
G
And, you, oleherm, misunderstand what the God of the text can do to make women do more than just be fruitful and multiply, they can actually be called by God to be a pastor of a church and bring forth good fruit.
And, if you just can't come to believe that because of how you believe the 1 Timothy 2:11-15 text, fine, then, agree that women no where in Scripture are told they cannot be a pastor of a church.
Woman ARE told to learn in quietness and submission of a pastor speaking in 1 Tim. 2:11
and
Women ARE told to not interrupt the church service but to ask their husbands at home of questions they have regarding the speaker's message at the church in 1 Cor.. 14: 34-35
And, if you just can't come to believe that because of how you believe the 1 Timothy 2:11-15 text, fine, then, agree that women no where in Scripture are told they cannot be a pastor of a church.
Woman ARE told to learn in quietness and submission of a pastor speaking in 1 Tim. 2:11
and
Women ARE told to not interrupt the church service but to ask their husbands at home of questions they have regarding the speaker's message at the church in 1 Cor.. 14: 34-35
Last edited by a moderator:
What you are implying is that if a woman cannot be permitted to preach, she is then worthless in the Church. Paul was a great defender of women's dignity in the Church. The prohibition of these two text in no way subtracts from anything else scripture says about women and their appointed roles. Men too have prohibitions placed upon them in the Church but I do not see anyone standing up to challenge those prohibitions. The challenge to 1Cor 14 and 2Tim 2 are driven not by a desire to serve God but by a feminist agenda that stands contrary the Word of God.
- Status