For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[john832]

What you are saying appears a little misleading. What do you mean “sort of a constitution”? It was the constitution. It was the constitution for the entire physical nation of Israel and given to them only after they were taken out from under Egyptian enforced citizenry. For God to give them the command to keep the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath punishable by death for disobedience while the Israelites were under Egyptian enforced citizenry would have been a cruel joke just like it’s a cruel joke today to bring the Sabbath law punishable by death to people around the world seeking Christ who are under the enforced citizenry of their nations.

And we know that God would never ask us to inconvenience ourselves...

Heb 11:36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
Heb 11:37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
Heb 11:38 (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

Mar 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
Mar 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
Mar 13:12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Luk 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
Luk 21:13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
Luk 21:14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
Luk 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
Luk 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
Luk 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

Christ would never ask us to do anything that is not easy. He would never ask us to do anything that might cause us to suffer in the slightest, now would He?

 

[john832]

The fact that the bible said it was meant for the jews but yet i see gentiles trying to be jews and blatantly ignoring the word of God well i guess some people will have to anwser for that in the end

How about posting a scripture that shows the Sabbath was meant for the Jews. Here is what the KJV says...

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

How about the during the Millenium...

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Where does it say Jew there?

 

[JaumeJ]

As has been worded previously applied to the Word, the Word is meant for all people. Having said this, all who rely on the word for wisdom and truth are Israel.

 

[zone]

How about posting a scripture that shows the Sabbath was meant for the Jews. Here is what the KJV says...

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

how about posting any single passage that says Adam or Abel or Seth or Abraham or Noah rested on the 7th day, or were told to.
how about a single NT commandment regarding keeping the sabbath?
one single warning against breaking the salvation-giving sabbath?

How about the during the Millenium...

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Where does it say Jew there?

how about that's not a Millennium passage.

btw - are you sacrificing animals like you're supposed to?

 

[SarahM777]

As has been worded previously applied to the Word, the Word is meant for all people. Having said this, all who rely on the word for wisdom and truth are Israel.

UMM so could you clarify then when Isaiah is speaking like this

Isaiah 23

23 A prophecy against Tyre:
Wail, you ships of Tarshish!
For Tyre is destroyed
and left without house or harbor.
From the land of Cyprus
word has come to them.

2 Be silent, you people of the island
and you merchants of Sidon,
whom the seafarers have enriched.
3 On the great waters
came the grain of the Shihor;
the harvest of the Nile[a] was the revenue of Tyre,
and she became the marketplace of the nations.
​

So when Isaiah speaks directly to Tyre is God speaking DIRECTLY to you? Not everything in the Bible is spoken directly to US. It is very bad exegesis to make everything that is spoken to certain people about US. There are things we are to learn from it but it's NOT ALL ABOUT US.

 

[Brother_Don]

You shall have no other gods before me. you shall not make for yourself an idol. you shall not misuse the name of the LORD our God. remember the sabbath day by keeping it holy. honor your father and your mother so that you may live long. you shall not murder. you shall not commit adultery. you shall not give false testimony against your neighbor. you shall not covet your neighbors house. you shall not covet your neighbors wife, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. i don't see anything about sacrifices in the 10 commandments.

 

[overcomer2]

Me three. But I could never understand why many call Christian gathering service so I stay away from any service. Likewise I don't understand why Christians will go anywhere to worship. I'm slowly but surely uneducating myself from those "Christian" terms.

Well, we actually call it a gathering, however, I have never been one to call it church but the word service was never something I was convicted on. But, aside from that Praise the Lord. I thought the other day about the ones on here who disagree. I'm still not really sure what they disagree on. To rest or not to rest, the Sabbath having any meaning and just being law, or choosing the day for Sabbath Sunday vs. Saturday. It always seems to get jumbled.

But I also thought on the ones who insist on Sunday how you see very few that keep 7th day as Sabbath even bother with those that choose the 1st Day. Seems like the closer to truth we get the more daggers, gnashing of teeth, and ridicule comes out. If someone chooses Sunday I feel like go on Sunday go your own way. But if they ask why do you go on Saturday and I give them an answer the gnashing of teeth start. Any way I found all this interesting.

 

[zone]

Me three. But I could never understand why many call Christian gathering service so I stay away from any service. Likewise I don't understand why Christians will go anywhere to worship. I'm slowly but surely uneducating myself from those "Christian" terms.

yes, you are slowly but surely converting to Judaism.
bye now.

 

[john832]

You shall have no other gods before me. you shall not make for yourself an idol. you shall not misuse the name of the LORD our God. remember the sabbath day by keeping it holy. honor your father and your mother so that you may live long. you shall not murder. you shall not commit adultery. you shall not give false testimony against your neighbor. you shall not covet your neighbors house. you shall not covet your neighbors wife, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. i don't see anything about sacrifices in the 10 commandments.

There are none there...

Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

Now in Deut 5:6-21 God restated (hence the name of the book Deuteronomy) the Ten Commandments. He added no more (at that time) and we will see when He added sacrifices and why.

Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Jer 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

Why didn't they?

Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

They did not have the heart to obey. Why not?

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

They had not received the Holy Spirit yet that would enable them to have the kind of heart that could obey. A heart that wanted to live as God lives. (Obviously, no human does this perfectly but the Spirit enables us to think as God thinks and live as God lives. When we stumble and fail Grace is the forgiveness that is applied to us and washes us clean again.) Back to the program...

So animal sacrifices were instituted. We'll see why in a bit, first let's see when the animal sacrifices were offered...

Passover was on the 14th of the 1st month...

Exo 12:2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
Exo 12:3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
Exo 12:4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
Exo 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
Exo 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

In the third month they came to Sinai...

Exo 19:1 In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.
Exo 19:2 For they were departed from Rephidim, and were come to the desert of Sinai, and had pitched in the wilderness; and there Israel camped before the mount.

Tradition has it that the Law was given from Mt. Sinai on Pentecost. That would be the fiftieth day after the Wave Sheaf offering which occured during the Days of Unleavened Bread (Lev 23:6-21). The sacrifices were offered at the Tabernacle by the Priests, the sons of Aaron. The Tabernacle was not completed until the first month of the second year...

Exo 40:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Exo 40:2 On the first day of the first month shalt thou set up the tabernacle of the tent of the congregation.
Exo 40:3 And thou shalt put therein the ark of the testimony, and cover the ark with the vail.
Exo 40:4 And thou shalt bring in the table, and set in order the things that are to be set in order upon it; and thou shalt bring in the candlestick, and light the lamps thereof.
Exo 40:5 And thou shalt set the altar of gold for the incense before the ark of the testimony, and put the hanging of the door to the tabernacle.
Exo 40:6 And thou shalt set the altar of the burnt offering before the door of the tabernacle of the tent of the congregation.

So it was at least nine months after Mt. Sinai that sacrifices were offered. What was there purpose?

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

These animal sacrifices could not forgive sin...

Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

But Christ's perfect sacrifice can and does...

Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Why then animal sacrifices?

Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

They pointed to the perfect sacrifice of Jesus Christ...

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

They were the schoolmaster that pointed to, that leads us to Jesus Christ. They were the shadow of the perfect Sacrifice.

 

[zone]

You shall have no other gods before me. you shall not make for yourself an idol. you shall not misuse the name of the LORD our God. remember the sabbath day by keeping it holy. honor your father and your mother so that you may live long. you shall not murder. you shall not commit adultery. you shall not give false testimony against your neighbor. you shall not covet your neighbors house. you shall not covet your neighbors wife, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. i don't see anything about sacrifices in the 10 commandments.

where do you go to know what the sabbath is, in order to remember it?

Exodus 31
The Sign of the Sabbath
12The LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 13"But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. 14'Therefore you are to observe the sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.

- are you putting to death anyone who profanes it?

if not, you're NOT KEEPING IT.

 

[SpiritofFire]

Do not the priests profane the sabbath and are blameless?

 

[SarahM777]

UMMM UMMM But can anyone tell me since the Sabbath is on the seventh day and runs from sunset to sunset,how can the people who live above the Arctic circle observe the Sabbath since they DO NOT have a sunset for two to three months or a sunrise for two to three months?

 

[john832]

UMMM UMMM But can anyone tell me since the Sabbath is on the seventh day and runs from sunset to sunset,how can the people who live above the Arctic circle observe the Sabbath since they DO NOT have a sunset for two to three months or a sunrise for two to three months?

Can you tell me what you would do to determine how to keep the first day of the week?

 

[Isdaniel]

UMMM UMMM But can anyone tell me since the Sabbath is on the seventh day and runs from sunset to sunset,how can the people who live above the Arctic circle observe the Sabbath since they DO NOT have a sunset for two to three months or a sunrise for two to three months?

How can they observe Sunday ?

or how can they tell time hmmm lets see what the bible says to your trap question

Psalm 81:3Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.

Psalm 104:19He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.


Time can be caculated in many ways please tell me if i am wrong

 

[Isdaniel]

Do not the priests profane the sabbath and are blameless?

Is lighting fire part of this ? Why or Why not ?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

UMMM UMMM But can anyone tell me since the Sabbath is on the seventh day and runs from sunset to sunset,how can the people who live above the Arctic circle observe the Sabbath since they DO NOT have a sunset for two to three months or a sunrise for two to three months?

This kind of most excellent reasoning demonstrates that the sabbath was specific to the kingdom of Israel.

 

[Isdaniel]

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This kind of most excellent reasoning demonstrates that the sabbath was specific to the kingdom of Israel.

Can these people calculate the new year ? How

I wonder if there are jews living there and how do they caculate it hmmm just a thought

Its amazing how low you will go just not to keep sabbath if the same question was aske about sunday instead you would have all sorts of reasoning to support hmmmmmm

 

[SarahM777]

How can they observe Sunday ?

or how can they tell time hmmm lets see what the bible says to your trap question

Psalm 81:3Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.

Psalm 104:19He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.


Time can be caculated in many ways please tell me if i am wrong

UMMM But God tells them SPECIFICALLY Sunset to Sunset. God knows that the Arctic circle can not USE that specific time reference. God created it all,He certainly knows that the time would be measured in other ways. But He never said it was to measured in another way. If God meant it for ALL to follow it He would have given other ways of measuring the time. That is people adding something to the text He never said.

 

[Isdaniel]

Can you tell me what you would do to determine how to keep the first day of the week?

it is just amazing how they resort to all sorts of tactics to win this war which if it was hmmm they would have been found wanting with their pants down

 

[SarahM777]

Can these people calculate the new year ? How

I wonder if there are jews living there and how do they caculate it hmmm just a thought

Its amazing how low you will go just not to keep sabbath if the same question was aske about sunday instead you would have all sorts of reasoning to support hmmmmmm

I never said Sunday was the Sabbath. All I have ever said it was started as the day the believers gathered together on the same day that Jesus rose from the dead,the disciples and Mary saw Him risen from the dead.