What would this have to do with instruction in scripture? Teaching music in a congregational setting is not something that is done generally speaking. I have on a couple occasions taught music classes to a church group but this is completely separate and apart from any worship or biblical instruction.
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Philippians 3
Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect
but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. 13Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead
teleioó: to bring to an end, to complete, perfect
Original Word: τελειόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: teleioó
Phonetic Spelling: (tel-i-o'-o)
Short Definition: I complete, accomplish, make perfect
Definition: (a) as a course, a race, or the like: I complete, finish (b) as of time or prediction: I accomplish, (c) I make perfect; pass: I am perfected.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 5048 teleióō – to consummate, reaching the end-stage, i.e. working through the entire process (stages) to reach the final phase (conclusion). See 5056 (telos).
[This root (tel-) means "reaching the end (aim)." It is well-illustrated with the old pirate's telescope, unfolding (extending out) one stage at a time to function at full-strength (capacity effectiveness).]
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these are all excerpts from the letter to the SINFUL IGNORANT REBELLIOUS DISORDERLY church that received pages and pages of warnings and instructions. you know them all.....all the sins.
BUT -
does Paul call them SAINTS?
does he say they ARE the body of Christ?
just yes or no....we need to decide if you are telling the truth about THAT.
1 Corinthians
Greeting
1Paul, called by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, and our brother Sosthenes,
2To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:
3Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
16Do you not know that youb are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?
For all things are yours, 22whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23and you are Christ’s, and Christ is God’s.
15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ?
17But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.
12For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slavesd or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.
27Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.
As in all the churches of the saints
49Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shallf also bear the image of the man of heaven.
1Now concerninga the collection for the saints
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hi Cobus...did you read this far?
Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect
but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. 13Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead
teleioó: to bring to an end, to complete, perfect
Original Word: τελειόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: teleioó
Phonetic Spelling: (tel-i-o'-o)
Short Definition: I complete, accomplish, make perfect
Definition: (a) as a course, a race, or the like: I complete, finish (b) as of time or prediction: I accomplish, (c) I make perfect; pass: I am perfected.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 5048 teleióō – to consummate, reaching the end-stage, i.e. working through the entire process (stages) to reach the final phase (conclusion). See 5056 (telos).
[This root (tel-) means "reaching the end (aim)." It is well-illustrated with the old pirate's telescope, unfolding (extending out) one stage at a time to function at full-strength (capacity effectiveness).]
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these are all excerpts from the letter to the SINFUL IGNORANT REBELLIOUS DISORDERLY church that received pages and pages of warnings and instructions. you know them all.....all the sins.
BUT -
does Paul call them SAINTS?
does he say they ARE the body of Christ?
just yes or no....we need to decide if you are telling the truth about THAT.
1 Corinthians
Greeting
1Paul, called by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, and our brother Sosthenes,
2To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:
3Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
16Do you not know that youb are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?
For all things are yours, 22whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23and you are Christ’s, and Christ is God’s.
15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ?
17But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.
12For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slavesd or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.
27Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.
As in all the churches of the saints
49Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shallf also bear the image of the man of heaven.
1Now concerninga the collection for the saints
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hi Cobus...did you read this far?
34The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. 36Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only? 37If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment. 38But if anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
11A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.
If this offends you, you will need to take it up with the Lord. I did not write it.
11A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.
If this offends you, you will need to take it up with the Lord. I did not write it.
I love the whole comparing women to homosexuals bit. Women are literally born as women. Yup. Homosexuals, not so much. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are wrong or not saved. There is a grave danger here of people judging others salvations based on a differing of opinion. That is what it is. It will never change. This circle argument has gone around the mulberry bush so many times, with countless insults hurled at each other, that I'm dizzy.
Basically, some believe it's okay for women to preach and teach and lead worship, some believe it's okay for them to teach women only and lead worship, some think it's okay for them to teach women only and sing, not lead, in worship, some believe it's not okay for them to do anything at all in these capacities, and some believe they just need to stay home, make babies, clean house and cook.
The one thing all these people have in common is that you can't dissuade them to change what they believe, no matter how much Scripture is repeated, how many valid (and invalid) points are made, and how much insults and bashing occurs.
And yet, here we are, 21 pages in, still discussing it. Can't look away from this thread, though I'm sure soon, it will die like all the others and a new one will start.
So is the online life of ChristianChat.
And, before anyone gets crazy, this is what is called a light-hearted post, a break from the other things. No agenda....well, sans the first paragraph.
Basically, some believe it's okay for women to preach and teach and lead worship, some believe it's okay for them to teach women only and lead worship, some think it's okay for them to teach women only and sing, not lead, in worship, some believe it's not okay for them to do anything at all in these capacities, and some believe they just need to stay home, make babies, clean house and cook.
The one thing all these people have in common is that you can't dissuade them to change what they believe, no matter how much Scripture is repeated, how many valid (and invalid) points are made, and how much insults and bashing occurs.
And yet, here we are, 21 pages in, still discussing it. Can't look away from this thread, though I'm sure soon, it will die like all the others and a new one will start.
So is the online life of ChristianChat.And, before anyone gets crazy, this is what is called a light-hearted post, a break from the other things. No agenda....well, sans the first paragraph.
hmm do i see men are not to give testemonies to strenghten each other or is it ony the pastors to give testimonies see you are very bias
i understand what timothy says women are not to preach but to add to the bible and say not to lead in worship etc is foolishness
And what shew me where it says no one is to give testimonies in the church even men hmmm the pastor is a man does he give testemonies ?
you must read the whole chapter in Corthians as to why Paul said what he said
i understand what timothy says women are not to preach but to add to the bible and say not to lead in worship etc is foolishness
And what shew me where it says no one is to give testimonies in the church even men hmmm the pastor is a man does he give testemonies ?
you must read the whole chapter in Corthians as to why Paul said what he said
I am quite familiar with the entire book of 1Corinthians. This issue is not a cultural issue. Corinth and Ephesus were both given the same instruction and to add force to the argument Paul affirms in 4:17 "For this reason I have sent to you Timothy, who is my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, and he will remind you of my ways which are in Christ, just as I teach everywhere in every church."
Then in verse 6 he says, "I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another."
Then in verse 6 he says, "I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another."
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you dont need to spend time around homosexuals to know what their argument is when you live in a world full of propaganda attacking christians and christianity and silencing the christians.
your slander is not welcome.
and the misogynistic is ridiculous. no need to even talk to somebody so silly.
the misogynistic comment alone validates the homosexual comparison. but i dont expect you to hear me tho.
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