STATUTES , PRECEPTS , JUDGEMENTS, TESTOMONIES, ETC

[Isdaniel]

Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

The difference is how they were recorded
[h=3]Exodus 24:12[/h]King James Version (KJV)

12 And the Lord said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.


[h=3]Deuteronomy 31:9[/h]King James Version (KJV)

9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and unto all the elders of Israel.

 

[Elin]

So in your understanding, the word of God contradicts itself?

That's all the evidence anyone needs to know that their understanding is wrong.

The law that gives freedom is the gospel law; i.e., the royal law of love (Jas 2:8),
not the ceremonial law.

The NT word of God states that the ceremonial law was a yoke of bondage (Gal 2:4, 5:1, 13-4).

So james was saying you break one of the gospel law you break alll hmmmm
the royal law is the ten commanments

Okay, this is ridiculous. . .and arguing just for the sake of arguing, when the very text itself
states it plainly.

You will have to do better than flat-out contradicting the plain text under discussion
if I am going to give any time to responding to you.

". . .the royal law. . .'Love your neighbor as yourself,' " (Jas 2:8) is not the Ten Commandments given in the Mosaic law on Sinai.

not the ceremonial law

Who said the royal law was the ceremonial law?

the ceremonial law is the yoke of bondage not the ten commandments

That's what I stated above.

And that's because in the NT the Ten Commandments are fulfilled by loving God and neighbor
(Mt 22:37-40), which is not a yoke of bondage.

there is nothing as gospel law

Jesus disagrees:

Jn 13:34 - "A new (where has God ever commanded this before?) command I give you:
Love one another as I have loved you. . ."

That's a whole lot higher standard than "love your neighbor as yourself."

That is gospel law (command).

 

[zone]

Do you believe the sabbath is to be kept ? Why or Why Not ?

you are 24....do you need your father to place you under a harsh slave babysitter to teach you ABC?

uh-oh...here's that early book by Paul the Hebrew of Hebrews..the one people who apparently think they are an ancient stiff-necked people who needed it until LIBERTY came....for the grown up son.

those Laws were NEVER given to YOU. you weren't alive then.
unless you're 2500 years old.

Galatians 3:24
So that the Law has acted the part of a tutor-slave to lead us to Christ, in order that through faith we may be declared to be free from guilt.


nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.
HELPS Word-studies
3551 nómos – law. 3551 (nómos) is used of: a) the Law (Scripture), with emphasis on the first five books of Scripture; or b) any system of religious thinking (theology), especially when nomos occurs without the Greek definite article.

3551 /nómos ("law") then can refer to "the Law," or "law" as a general principle (or both simultaneously). The particular sense(s) of 3551 (nómos) is determined by the context.

Strong's Greek 3551
196 Occurrences

ex:

Matthew 5:17 N-AMS
GRK: καταλῦσαι τὸν νόμον ἢ τοὺς
NAS: to abolish the Law or
KJV: to destroy the law, or
INT: to abolish the law or the
Matthew 5:18 N-GMS
GRK: ἀπὸ τοῦ νόμου ἕως ἂν
NAS: shall pass from the Law until
KJV: pass from the law, till all
INT: from the law until anyhow

Matthew 7:12 N-NMS
GRK: ἐστιν ὁ νόμος καὶ οἱ
NAS: you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
KJV: this is the law and the prophets.
INT: is the law and the

Matthew 11:13 N-NMS
GRK: καὶ ὁ νόμος ἕως Ἰωάννου
NAS: the prophets and the Law prophesied
KJV: and the law prophesied
INT: and the law until John

Matthew 12:5 N-DMS
GRK: ἐν τῷ νόμῳ ὅτι τοῖς
NAS: have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath
KJV: in the law, how that
INT: in the law that on the

Matthew 22:36 N-DMS
GRK: ἐν τῷ νόμῳ
NAS: is the great commandment in the Law?
KJV: commandment in the law?
INT: in the law

 

[Elin]

So in your understanding, the word of God contradicts itself?

That's all the evidence anyone needs to know that their understanding is wrong.

The law that gives freedom is the gospel law; i.e., the royal law of love (Jas 2:8),
not the ceremonial law.

The NT word of God states that the ceremonial law was a yoke of bondage
(Gal 2:4, 5:1, 13-14; Ac 15:5, 24).

James 2:8-12 King James Version (KJV)

8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love
thy neighbour as thyself,

The royal law is love (Lev 19:18).

ye do well:

9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced (i.e., convicted) of the (whole) law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

James is referring to the whole law, Ten Commandments
as well as the ceremonial law.

He is saying that to break one, is to break 'em all, the whole Mosaic law;
i.e., the Ten Commandments as well as the ceremonial laws.

11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Which law he states above is the whole law, for the law is a unit, break one, you break 'em all.

12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

So we've got a law of bondage (Ac 15: 5, 24; Gal 2:4, 5:1) and a law of liberty (Jas 2:12; Ac 15:10-11),
but those in Christ are "they that shall be judged by the law of liberty."

James is speaking to believers.

The sin of believers is already judged (debt paid) by Jesus paying their debt for them on the cross.

There is no future judgment for the sin of believers, only for their works of obedience,
which judgment is for the purpose of giving rewards (1Co 3:12-14; 2Co 5:10; Rev 22:12),
not for the purpose of their salvation (2Co 3:15).

Paul is exhorting them to live like those who will be judged by the law of liberty; i.e., love,
(believers whose sin has already been judged), rather than judged by the law of bondage
(e.g., Jewish unbelievers in Christ who are under and condemned by the law--Gal 3:10).

"You my brothers were called to be free. Do not use your freedom (edit:: from the law) to indulge
your sinful nature (edit: which is licentiousness instead of freedom); rather serve one another in love.
The entire law is summed up in a single command: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "
(Gal 5:13-14)

Sound like the ten commandments to me hmmmmmm not no gospel law

The NT word of God disagrees:

Jn 13:34 - "A new (where has God ever commanded this before?) command I give you:
Love one another as I have loved you. . ."

That's a whole lot higher standard than the OT "love your neighbor as yourself." (Lev 19:18)

Gal 5:13-14 - "The entire law is summed up in a single command: 'Love your neighbor
as yourself.' "

And that command is gospel law (Jn 13:34; Gal 5:13-14).

 

[john832]

The royal law is love.

James is referring to the whole law, Ten Commandments
as well as the ceremonial law.

He is saying that to break one, is to break 'em all, the whole Mosaic law;
i.e., the Ten Commandments as well as the ceremonial laws.

Which law he states above is the whole law, for the law is a unit, break one, you break 'em all.


So we've got a law of bondage (Ac 15: 5, 24; Gal 2:4, 5:1) and a law of liberty (Jas 2:12; Ac 15:10-11),
but those in Christ are "they that shall be judged by the law of liberty."

James is speaking to believers.

The sin of believers is already judged (debt paid) by Jesus paying their debt for them on the cross.

There is no future judgment for the sin of believers, only for their works of obedience,
which judgment is for the purpose of giving rewards (1Co 3:12-14; 2Co 5:10; Rev 22:12),
not for the purpose of their salvation (2Co 3:15).

Paul is exhorting them to live like those who will be judged by the law of liberty; i.e., love,
(believers whose sin has already been judged), rather than judged by the law of bondage
(e.g., Jewish unbelievers in Christ who are under and condemned by the law--Gal 3:10).

"You my brothers were called to be free. Do not use your freedom (edit:: from the law) to indulge
your sinful nature (edit: which is licentiousness instead of freedom); rather serve one another in love.
The entire law is summed up in a single command: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "
(Gal 5:13-14)

The NT word of God disagrees:

Jn 13:34 - "A new (where has God ever commanded this before?) command I give you:
Love one another as I have loved you. . ."

That's a whole lot higher standard than the OT "love your neighbor as yourself." (Lev 19:18)

Gal 5:13-14 - "The entire law is summed up in a single command: 'Love your neighbor
as yourself.' "

And that command is gospel law (Jn 13:34; Gal 5:13-14).

Wow, the same nonsense only with large letters and bright colors.

 

[Elin]

Do you believe the sabbath is to be kept ? Why or Why Not ?

I believe Heb 4:1 that the promise of rest still stands, and those who believe in Christ enter it (Heb 4:3).

God's own rest is already a reality (Heb 4:4-5), and the rest he calls us to enter is not our own, but his.

Israel's going into Canaan under Joshua was a partial (a whole generation did not enter Canaan
because of unbelief)
and temporary (they are no longer in the land) entering of that rest of God,
however, it was not the end of God's people entering into God's rest,
as Ps 95:7-8 (Heb 3:15) later shows in its continuing invitation (Heb 4:6-8).

I believe Heb 4:9 that even after the rest of Canaan, there still remains a Sabbath rest
for those who believe in Christ and, therefore, who rest from their own work
(to save themselves by law keeping), just as God rested from his own work.

I believe Christ is the NT Sabbath, in whom we rest from our work of law-keeping to save ourselves.

Which is not to say that NT believers are not to assemble together regularly for worship,
the Lord's Supper and prayer.

So I believe two things which the NT teaches:

1) In the NT, Sabbath rest is faith in Jesus' work on the cross to save from sin, rather than
our own law-keeping to save us.

2) NT Christians are free to assemble on whatever day they choose for worship,
the Lord's Supper and prayer.

The early Christians chose the first day of the week, the day of the Lord's resurrection,
as their "Lord's Day" (Ac 20:7; Rev 1:10; 1Co 16:2), and I like that choice.

 

[Elin]

Where does Scripture state that Jesus is God's right hand?

What does the right hand here means

Psalm 118:16 King James Version (KJV)

16 The right hand of the Lord is exalted: the right hand of the Lord doeth valiantly

Well, it doesn't say that Jesus is God's right hand.

So it doesn't answer my question.

Scripture states that Jesus is seated at the right hand of God.

Beyond that, I will not go (1Co 4:6).

 

[Elin]

Where in the bible say the Godhead is a trinity ?

I've addressed that here.

 

[Elin]

Are you saying the ten commandments is part of Moses law ? and has a curse atached to it that is the ten commandments

I'm saying what the NT says.

The Mosaic law (the Ten Commandments and the ceremonial laws) is one, inseparable unit
(Jas 2:10-11).
The Ten Commandments were the conditions of the Sinaitic (old) covenant.

The covenant had curses attached for disobedience to its conditions, i.e., the Ten Commandments,
which were in the law's one and inseparable unit (Jas 2:11).

Therefore, disobedience to the Ten Commandments subjected one to the curses of the Covenant.

 

[Elin]

You are wrong then you should disobey your parents

If I love my parents (Mt 22:37-39), I will not dishonor them by disobedience.

 

[Elin]

The ten commandments are perfect

Psalm 19:7-11 King James Version (KJV)

7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of theLord is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

Moses law was not perfect

Hebrews 7:19 King James Version (KJV)

19For the law made nothing (us) perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Moses' law was not perfect?. . .wrong.

Such butchering of the word of God!

Moses' law (Ten Commandments and the ceremonial laws) was perfect,
but our fallen nature made it useless to make us perfect (Heb 7:19)
because we could not obey it perfectly, to make us righteous.

 

[Elin]

please shew me from the bible and why the book was placed at the side of the ark and not inside the ark

Deut presents a covenant renewal of the Mosaic covenant, made with the new generation
that did not participate in the making of that covenant at Sinai.

The book of Deut was to be placed beside the Ark as a testimony against them
when they broke their renewed covenant (Dt 31:26).

The objects inside the Ark were a testimony to the first generation's breaking the original covenant,

while the book of Duet beside the Ark was the testimony against the following generations' breaking

the renewal (Dt 29) of that covenant (Dt 31:27; Jer 11:10).

 

[WomanLovesTX]

those Laws were NEVER given to YOU. you weren't alive then.
unless you're 2500 years old.

Deuteronomy 29:10-17

King James Version (KJV)


10 Ye stand this day all of you before theLord your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, with all the men of Israel,
11 Your little ones, your wives, and thy stranger that is in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water:
12 That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the Lord thy God, and into his oath, which the Lord thy God maketh with thee this day:
13 That he may establish thee to day for a people unto himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the Lord our God, AND ALSO WITH HIM THAT IS NOT HERE WITH US TODAY

 

[zone]

Deuteronomy 29:10-17

King James Version (KJV)


10 Ye stand this day all of you before theLord your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, with all the men of Israel,
11 Your little ones, your wives, and thy stranger that is in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water:
12 That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the Lord thy God, and into his oath, which the Lord thy God maketh with thee this day:
13 That he may establish thee to day for a people unto himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the Lord our God, AND ALSO WITH HIM THAT IS NOT HERE WITH US TODAY

yes, i realize you think America is the home of the Lost Tribes, and you're prolly an Israelite.
even if that ludicrous myth were true, you've had 2000 years to get with the New Covenant program.

do you read Galatians?

 

[Elin]

THE CEREMONIAL LAW POINTED TO JESUS

Is “the law of commandments contained in ordinances” (Ephesians 2:15),
“a shadow of good things to come” (Hebrews 10:1), and was
disannulled “because of its weakness and unprofitableness” (Hebrews 7:18).

No.

Which of the Ten Commandments poited to Jesus Sacrifice?

None.

 

[Elin]

Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

The difference is how they were recorded
Exodus 24:12 King James Version (KJV)

12 And the Lord said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
Deuteronomy 31:9 King James Version (KJV)

9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and unto all the elders of Israel.

Actually, the significant difference is how and what was promulgated:

the original promulgated in blood at Sinai with the LORD, no curses attached (Ex 24:3-10),

and the renewal promulgated in Moab by Moses (Dt 29) with curses attached (Dt 28).

 

[Elin]

Wow, the same nonsense only with large letters and bright colors.

Your acknowledgement that your posts are craziness has already been noted.

Somewhat lacking in demonstration.

One form of your craziness is meritless assertion, based in absolutely no demonsration.

 

[WomanLovesTX]

yes, i realize you think America is the home of the Lost Tribes, and you're prolly an Israelite.
even if that ludicrous myth were true, you've had 2000 years to get with the New Covenant program.

do you read Galatians?

Yes and praise God we've had 2000 years to get with the New Covenant program.

I also believe in "little flock" but until heaven and earth pass, each day is a gift and more opportunity for the Father to work in "drawing" more to His fold.

 

[WomanLovesTX]

Actually, the significant difference is how and what was promulgated:

the original promulgated in blood at Sinai with the LORD, no curses attached (Ex 24:3-10),

and the renewal promulgated in Moab by Moses (Dt 29) with curses attached (Dt 28).

Why do you leave off The Blessings that are attached?

 

[zone]

Yes and praise God we've had 2000 years to get with the New Covenant program.

I also believe in "little flock" but until heaven and earth pass, each day is a gift and more opportunity for the Father to work in "drawing" more to His fold.

6) Watch for a doctrine that teaches that if you don’t observe the Sabbath, you are taking on the Mark of the Beast. No, seriously. I know of at least one “Law Keeper” who has written this doctrine to someone who indicated an interest in learning more about observing Old Testament Feasts and about the concept of being Torah observant. This comes from early Seventh Day Adventist doctrine, and has influenced other Law keeping sects, as well. As you’ll see in future posts, there are streams of thought from many different sources in the HRM, including the Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Church of God (of which there are numerous strains), The Way International, The World Wide Church of God (Armstrongism), British Israelism, Judaism, Jewish sages and their writings, and Kabbalah.

8) Some Law Keepers consider themselves to be actual Israel, part of the “Lost Ten Tribes”, which they also refer to as the “Diaspora”, and label themselves “Ephraim”. The Diaspora, or dispersing of Israel, is a real thing, but some who keep the Law have taken a real thing and added to or blatently twisted it. Many Law Keepers believe one of two things: Either they believe that they are IN REALITY part of the Lost Tribes of Israel (Ephraim) and the Holy Spirit is “calling” them back to their “roots”, or they believe that since they are “grafted into Israel”, they actually become Israel. Some (self-proclaimed Ephraimites) have actually petitioned the Israeli government for citizenship (Aliyah). Not being able to provide appropriate documentation of their “roots”, their applications are summarily denied.

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