STATUTES , PRECEPTS , JUDGEMENTS, TESTOMONIES, ETC

[WomanLovesTX]

6) Watch for a doctrine that teaches that if you don’t observe the Sabbath, you are taking on the Mark of the Beast. No, seriously. I know of at least one “Law Keeper” who has written this doctrine to someone who indicated an interest in learning more about observing Old Testament Feasts and about the concept of being Torah observant. This comes from early Seventh Day Adventist doctrine, and has influenced other Law keeping sects, as well. As you’ll see in future posts, there are streams of thought from many different sources in the HRM, including the Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Church of God (of which there are numerous strains), The Way International, The World Wide Church of God (Armstrongism), British Israelism, Judaism, Jewish sages and their writings, and Kabbalah.

8) Some Law Keepers consider themselves to be actual Israel, part of the “Lost Ten Tribes”, which they also refer to as the “Diaspora”, and label themselves “Ephraim”. The Diaspora, or dispersing of Israel, is a real thing, but some who keep the Law have taken a real thing and added to or blatently twisted it. Many Law Keepers believe one of two things: Either they believe that they are IN REALITY part of the Lost Tribes of Israel (Ephraim) and the Holy Spirit is “calling” them back to their “roots”, or they believe that since they are “grafted into Israel”, they actually become Israel. Some (self-proclaimed Ephraimites) have actually petitioned the Israeli government for citizenship (Aliyah). Not being able to provide appropriate documentation of their “roots”, their applications are summarily denied.



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[h=3]Proverbs 4:2[/h]King James Version (KJV)

2 For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.

 

[BradC]

6) Watch for a doctrine that teaches that if you don’t observe the Sabbath, you are taking on the Mark of the Beast. No, seriously. I know of at least one “Law Keeper” who has written this doctrine to someone who indicated an interest in learning more about observing Old Testament Feasts and about the concept of being Torah observant. This comes from early Seventh Day Adventist doctrine, and has influenced other Law keeping sects, as well. As you’ll see in future posts, there are streams of thought from many different sources in the HRM, including the Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Church of God (of which there are numerous strains), The Way International, The World Wide Church of God (Armstrongism), British Israelism, Judaism, Jewish sages and their writings, and Kabbalah.

8) Some Law Keepers consider themselves to be actual Israel, part of the “Lost Ten Tribes”, which they also refer to as the “Diaspora”, and label themselves “Ephraim”. The Diaspora, or dispersing of Israel, is a real thing, but some who keep the Law have taken a real thing and added to or blatently twisted it. Many Law Keepers believe one of two things: Either they believe that they are IN REALITY part of the Lost Tribes of Israel (Ephraim) and the Holy Spirit is “calling” them back to their “roots”, or they believe that since they are “grafted into Israel”, they actually become Israel. Some (self-proclaimed Ephraimites) have actually petitioned the Israeli government for citizenship (Aliyah). Not being able to provide appropriate documentation of their “roots”, their applications are summarily denied.

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I asked you awhile back if you or anyone you knew had ever been offered or tempted to take on the mark of the beast on your forehead or hand or were lead to worship the beast in any way and I received no response. I ask again. If you believe that the system of the beast and the false prophet is functioning in this age presently, as part of the mystery of iniquity that already is at work, then you must know and discern through the Spirit who indwells all believers that this mark is present and you must take on the position to warn all not to take on this mark or to worship the beast. It should not be a mystery to you or are you waiting for Satan to be loosed after the 1,000 year reign for these things to be made manifest so that Satan can empower the beast and give him great authority?

 

[SarahM777]

I asked you awhile back if you or anyone you knew had ever been offered or tempted to take on the mark of the beast on your forehead or hand or were lead to worship the beast in any way and I received no response. I ask again. If you believe that the system of the beast and the false prophet is functioning in this age presently, as part of the mystery of iniquity that already is at work, then you must know and discern through the Spirit who indwells all believers that this mark is present and you must take on the position to warn all not to take on this mark or to worship the beast. It should not be a mystery to you or are you waiting for Satan to be loosed after the 1,000 year reign for these things to be made manifest so that Satan can empower the beast and give him great authority?

UMMM Brad, Are you sure you wanted to ask Zone those questions or were you trying to ask someone else?

 

[Isdaniel]

I asked you awhile back if you or anyone you knew had ever been offered or tempted to take on the mark of the beast on your forehead or hand or were lead to worship the beast in any way and I received no response. I ask again. If you believe that the system of the beast and the false prophet is functioning in this age presently, as part of the mystery of iniquity that already is at work, then you must know and discern through the Spirit who indwells all believers that this mark is present and you must take on the position to warn all not to take on this mark or to worship the beast. It should not be a mystery to you or are you waiting for Satan to be loosed after the 1,000 year reign for these things to be made manifest so that Satan can empower the beast and give him great authority?

[video=youtube;-IyR6RZ49Co]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IyR6RZ49Co[/video]

 

[Isdaniel]

Okay, this is ridiculous. . .and arguing just for the sake of arguing, when the very text itself
states it plainly.

You will have to do better than flat-out contradicting the plain text under discussion
if I am going to give any time to responding to you.

". . .the royal law. . .'Love your neighbor as yourself,' " (Jas 2:8) is not the Ten Commandments given in the Mosaic law on Sinai.


Who said the royal law was the ceremonial law?


That's what I stated above.

And that's because in the NT the Ten Commandments are fulfilled by loving God and neighbor
(Mt 22:37-40), which is not a yoke of bondage.



Jesus disagrees:

Jn 13:34 - "A new (where has God ever commanded this before?) command I give you:
Love one another as I have loved you. . ."

That's a whole lot higher standard than "love your neighbor as yourself."

That is gospel law (command).

1 John 2:7Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning

 

[Isdaniel]

The royal law is love (Lev 19:18).

James is referring to the whole law, Ten Commandments
as well as the ceremonial law.

He is saying that to break one, is to break 'em all, the whole Mosaic law;
i.e., the Ten Commandments as well as the ceremonial laws.

Which law he states above is the whole law, for the law is a unit, break one, you break 'em all.


So we've got a law of bondage (Ac 15: 5, 24; Gal 2:4, 5:1) and a law of liberty (Jas 2:12; Ac 15:10-11),
but those in Christ are "they that shall be judged by the law of liberty."

James is speaking to believers.

The sin of believers is already judged (debt paid) by Jesus paying their debt for them on the cross.

There is no future judgment for the sin of believers, only for their works of obedience,
which judgment is for the purpose of giving rewards (1Co 3:12-14; 2Co 5:10; Rev 22:12),
not for the purpose of their salvation (2Co 3:15).

Paul is exhorting them to live like those who will be judged by the law of liberty; i.e., love,
(believers whose sin has already been judged), rather than judged by the law of bondage
(e.g., Jewish unbelievers in Christ who are under and condemned by the law--Gal 3:10).

"You my brothers were called to be free. Do not use your freedom (edit:: from the law) to indulge
your sinful nature (edit: which is licentiousness instead of freedom); rather serve one another in love.
The entire law is summed up in a single command: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "
(Gal 5:13-14)

The NT word of God disagrees:

Jn 13:34 - "A new (where has God ever commanded this before?) command I give you:
Love one another as I have loved you. . ."

That's a whole lot higher standard than the OT "love your neighbor as yourself." (Lev 19:18)

Gal 5:13-14 - "The entire law is summed up in a single command: 'Love your neighbor
as yourself.' "

And that command is gospel law (Jn 13:34; Gal 5:13-14).

James is not speaking about the ceremonial law by your post i see alot of contracdictions in your answeres you are confusing yourself


In galatians 5 paul speaks about the ceremonial law then speaks abou the ten commandments hmmmm

 

[Isdaniel]

I believe Heb 4:1 that the promise of rest still stands, and those who believe in Christ enter it (Heb 4:3).

God's own rest is already a reality (Heb 4:4-5), and the rest he calls us to enter is not our own, but his.

Israel's going into Canaan under Joshua was a partial (a whole generation did not enter Canaan
because of unbelief)
and temporary (they are no longer in the land) entering of that rest of God,
however, it was not the end of God's people entering into God's rest,
as Ps 95:7-8 (Heb 3:15) later shows in its continuing invitation (Heb 4:6-8).

I believe Heb 4:9 that even after the rest of Canaan, there still remains a Sabbath rest
for those who believe in Christ and, therefore, who rest from their own work
(to save themselves by law keeping), just as God rested from his own work.

I believe Christ is the NT Sabbath, in whom we rest from our work of law-keeping to save ourselves.

Which is not to say that NT believers are not to assemble together regularly for worship,
the Lord's Supper and prayer.

So I believe two things which the NT teaches:

1) In the NT, Sabbath rest is faith in Jesus' work on the cross to save from sin, rather than
our own law-keeping to save us.

2) NT Christians are free to assemble on whatever day they choose for worship,
the Lord's Supper and prayer.

The early Christians chose the first day of the week, the day of the Lord's resurrection,
as their "Lord's Day" (Ac 20:7; Rev 1:10; 1Co 16:2), and I like that choice.

then go make idols if we do not have to keep law ok

 

[Elin]

Why do you leave off The Blessings that are attached?

Because they are not the topic of the discussion.

Not to mention that they broke the covenant (Jer 11:10) and disqualified themselves for the blessings.

 

[Isdaniel]

[h=3]Psalm 94:12[/h]King James Version (KJV)

12 Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O Lord, and teachest him out of thy law;


[h=3]Psalm 94:20[/h]King James Version (KJV)

20 Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?


Two Whole Laws


A. What is the Ten Commandment Law called? James 2:10

A whole law. (See verse 11 margin, "or the law that said,...") We know by this that it is referring to the Ten Commandment Law.


B. Where do we find another whole law? Gal. 5:3
There is nothing about circumcision in the Ten Commandment Law. This is another whole law. Paul was telling them that if they required the
new converts to be circumcised they should require them to do the whole law.


C. Why were they not required to be circumcised? 1 Cor. 7:19
Because the law of which circumcision was a part had been done away with. It was no longer in force. But the keeping of the commandments is the important thing.


D. What two laws are mentioned in the Old Testament? Neh. 9:13, 14 ; 2 Kings 21:8
Divide these two texts into two colors, blue for the one that God wrote and red for the one that Moses wrote.

 

[Elin]

1 John 2:7Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning

And how does what John said bear on what Jesus said,

"A new command I give you, that you love one another as I have loved you. . ." (Jn 13:34)?

 

[Karraster]

Are there any precepts in Ps 119 not kept by keeping Christ's law?

Christ's law is now written on our hearts.

Christ's law has no curse, and
replaces the Mosaic law with its curse for imperfect obedience (Dt 27:26; Gal 3:10),
which has now been set aside (Heb 7:18-19).

Any law to be kept in the NT is Christ's law (Mt 22:37-39; 1Co 9:21; Gal 6:2),
which is written on the heart of the believer,
and which fulfills the law (Mt 2:40; Ro 13:8-10; Gal 5:6, 14).

The precepts in Ps 119 are kept when one obeys Christ's law.

You should know that.

If everything that was created was done through Christ, then it would have been the finger of Christ that wrote the 10 commandments, correct?

See, this is what I cannot understand, we are told don't pay any attention to old testament law, not even the 10 commandments. This flies in the face of even heathen common sense.

Does God contradict God?

What is the definition of fulfill?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

So many say Christ abolished the law, then the verse would read, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to abolish. There is no way to spin this and it make sense, yet they still spin it. No wonder so many are confused. Best way is to study the Word. Scripture proves Scripture.

 

[zone]

[video=youtube;-IyR6RZ49Co]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IyR6RZ49Co[/video]

worlds last chance

Seventh-day Adventist Church

In this video:
Why WLC accepts Ellen G. White as a true prophet

Scripture: Divine Filter for Truth | WLC Videos

Bible Prophecy | Online Bible Studies | Videos | WorldsLastChance.com

 

[RuthHannah]

worlds last chance

Seventh-day Adventist Church

In this video:
Why WLC accepts Ellen G. White as a true prophet

Scripture: Divine Filter for Truth | WLC Videos

Bible Prophecy | Online Bible Studies | Videos | WorldsLastChance.com

Dear Zone the links you put do you agree with 100% of everthing that they say ?

Do you just pick what makes sense on a point ?

 

[Elin]

The royal law is love (Lev 19:18).

James is referring to the whole law, Ten Commandments
as well as the ceremonial law.

He is saying that to break one, is to break 'em all, the whole Mosaic law;
i.e., the Ten Commandments as well as the ceremonial laws.

Which law he states above is the whole law, for the law is a unit, break one, you break 'em all.

James is not speaking about the ceremonial law by your post

i see alot of contracdictions in your answeres you are confusing yourself.

Okay, I've screwed up two things:

1) James is not talking about the ceremonial law, but is talking about the Ten Commandments.

2) There are two different curses regarding the law.

One is to eternal damnation for imperfect obedience to the Ten Commandments (Gal 3:10).

The other is the earthly curses of the covenant (Dt 29) for disobedience to the law.

I apologize for the screw up. . .just call it brain fatigue.

In galatians 5 paul speaks about the ceremonial law then speaks abou the ten commandments

Agreed. . .I have not said otherwise.

 

[zone]

then go make idols if we do not have to keep law ok

“Way of Life” lithograph conceived by James and Ellen White, 1874.

"Ellen White was a woman of remarkable spiritual gifts who lived most of her life during the nineteenth century (1827-1915), yet through her writings she is still making a revolutionary impact on millions of people around the world. During her lifetime she wrote more than 5,000 periodical articles and 40 books; but today, including compilations from her 50,000 pages of manuscript, more than 100 titles are available in English. She is the most translated woman writer in the entire history of literature, and the most translated American author of either gender. Her writings cover a broad range of subjects, including religion, education, social relationships, evangelism, prophecy, publishing, nutrition, and management. Her life-changing masterpiece on successful Christian living, Steps to Christ, has been published in more than 140 languages."

- World's Last Chance


...


The late Ellen G. White (November 26, 1827-July 16, 1915), known to Seventh-day Adventists as "God's Messenger" or "God's Prophet," used Masonic /occult terminology and taught esoteric doctrines through the pages of her voluminous published works. For the sake of brevity I did not cite all the passages in which Mrs. Ellen G. White used the masonic term, "all-seeing eye." (She repeated the same passages in various publications.) Below are selected citations from Mrs. White's complete published works found at Ellen G. White

Masonic Markings on Ellen G. White's Writings - Part I
"The All-Seeing Eye"

 

[Elin]

then go make idols if we do not have to keep law ok

If I love God (Mt 22:37-39), I will not take his name in vain, nor worship idols, nor forsake assembling

with the brethren to worship him.

 

[zone]

Dear Zone the links you put do you agree with 100% of everthing that they say ?

Do you just pick what makes sense on a point ?

i agree with none of that.
i am providing the SOURCES (something the poster regularly fails to do), yet is drawing from, and promoting.

 

[overcomer2]

If everything that was created was done through Christ, then it would have been the finger of Christ that wrote the 10 commandments, correct?

See, this is what I cannot understand, we are told don't pay any attention to old testament law, not even the 10 commandments. This flies in the face of even heathen common sense.

Does God contradict God?

What is the definition of fulfill?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

So many say Christ abolished the law, then the verse would read, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to abolish. There is no way to spin this and it make sense, yet they still spin it. No wonder so many are confused. Best way is to study the Word. Scripture proves Scripture.

I'm not sure why they do not accept the whole Bible. The old Testament is priceless. Just like Jesus. To misuse it in the fashion that many are is unChrist like. How many times did they(those from the New Testament) even quote from the Old Testament. They thought it of great value and so do true Christians. I like what Richard Rives (a friend of my Preacher says)

Many people, known as “Jews”, thought that they could keep God’s laws in “the flesh” and obtain eternal life. Many people, known as “Christians”, think that they can break God’s laws in “the Spirit” and obtain eternal life. Scripture proves that both lines of thought are in error. Both groups of people have “trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant... an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace.” ....Hebrews 10:29

 

[Elin]

If everything that was created was done through Christ, then it would have been the finger of Christ that wrote the 10 commandments, correct?

See, this is what I cannot understand,
we are told don't pay any attention to old testament law, not even the 10 commandments.
This flies in the face of even heathen common sense.

You have me confused with someone else.

For I have been saying what Jesus said in Mt 22:37-40,
what Paul states in Ro 13:8-10; Gal 5:6, and
what James states in Jas 2:8.

 

[RuthHannah]

i agree with none of that.
i am providing the SOURCES (something the poster regularly fails to do), yet is drawing from, and promoting.

you dont understand what I am asking


I am saying the links you put personally for your own points do you agree with a 100% of there teaching ?

Have you not read why he does not put the link alone ?

And the vedio above has the link so I dont think I have a problem with what Isdaniel does sometimes

I rather raed excerts from a link than go to the link and read all that stuff I think it is wise what he does

i am not defending everything he says but fair is fiar and evryone has their techique

please tell me if all your soucers have all the truth it seems that you have alot of sources from different chuches

fair is fair Zonie that is all iam saying