For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[zone]

Hmmm, you live in anarchy do you?

you who say you keep the Law...do you?
do you keep all the feasts as commanded?
no, you don't because that Old Covenant system is abolished.

a little fence here; a little leaven there, and you have your idolatry in place.

attempting to come to God through MOSES instead of Jesus Christ.

tsk tsk.

 

[zone]

You have the above in quotes, but I did a search and find on the article - Article Entry | Passion for Truth Ministries and there is no quote as you have quoted.

I'll need for you to show me where you got that quote from before I can examine and respond to the article.

If these are your own words, shame on you.

go back to the original post; the link to their teaching is there. read my post.

now read my question to you again:

WomanLovesTX;

could you save me some time if possible, and point me to 'exegesis' from Passion For Truth (Two-House Theology) which explains why the Jerusalem Council did not record forever something like this:



"The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have tried to help you in your sanctification with words, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment, but it is not intended to subvert your souls, rather eventually you will be required to be circumcised.

But for now, it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well.

Paul (or one of us) will teach you later about how to be circumcised and how to keep the sabbath.
Fare ye well.

and would you show me where those later instructions are found in the New Testament?

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SINCE THEY SAY PAUL DID INTEND TO TEACH : Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law.

that's YOUR source and you don't know what they teach?
get back to me.

You have the above in quotes, but I did a search and find on the article

ya didn't even read it?
ya saw a quotation mark at the beginning?

I'll need for you to show me where you got that quote from before I can examine and respond to the article.

it's your article. i sourced it.
i read it.

If these are your own words, shame on you.

of course they're my words....you can't tell???

now please show me where MY WORDS DON'T MATCH what your teachers teach.
i already did the work.

your turn.

 

[Karraster]

I think it's best hmmmm to restrict this discussion to the law of GOD hmmmmm

You think it's best? You shouldn't even be commenting here, it was addressed to Sabbath keepers. All you want all day long is to sow discord. You are good at that. You can't even follow the simple rules of CC. You hurl insult after insult. You remind me of people in their cars I've seen beside me at red lights, picking their nose like nobody can see them in their car. Well you may be hid away from our eyes, but God sees everything you do and knows everything you think.

 

[zone]

Originally Posted by WomanLovesTX
Galatians 2:3-5 – Did Paul Teach Against Circumcision?
by Jon Sherman
Does Paul teach against circumcision and thus teach against God’s law? Galatians 2:3-5 Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised. And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage), to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you. The issue of circumcision is perhaps the most complicated subject to study in the new testament. This is not really b ... read more


HERE IT IS AGAIN IN WHOLE....please do not edit my post before you understood what has been said.
i am working with your source.
notice the link below their words.

notice my comments.

OKAY?

thanks.....

from your source:

"So why then does it appear that Paul is teaching against circumcision in Galatians 2? He isn’t."

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"This circumcision story starts off in Antioch (Galatia):

Acts 14:26-28 From there they sailed to Antioch, from which they had been commended to the grace of God for the work that they had accomplished. When they had arrived and gathered the church together, they began to report all things that God had done with them and how He had opened a door of faith to the Gentiles. And they spent a long time with the disciples.

While in Galatia some men come from Judea with this gospel for the Galatians:

Acts 15:1 Some men came down from Judea and began teaching the brethren, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved."

Already it should be clear that this is not a matter of whether we should or should not observe the Law of God, but rather if the Law of God assists in salvation. This is a theological problem of the first century and not so much in the Christian churches today. Thus there is a difference between correctly observing the Law of God because of our faith and the incorrect doctrine of legalism, which attempts to earn salvation by forfeiting grace."

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"Peter establishes in Acts 15 that it is by faith that we are saved and that there is no Biblical difference between Jews and Greeks as it relates to salvation. Paul teaches the same once we read past Galatians 2 and enter into Galatians 3. In the first century mainstream Jewish leadership had a problem with the idea that Gentiles could simply have faith and thus become believers regardless of what commandments they were or were not immediately obedient to.

Peter makes the point that no one has been able to bear the burden of the gospel that teaches that we must keep God’s law in any capacity to be saved. The point would be is that all have fallen short and thus we need grace through faith. Peter states that the Gentile converts have been given the Holy Spirit in their faith, thus they will begin to learn and practice God’s law AFTER faith is established because that is the whole point of the Holy Spirit (Ezekiel 36:26-27; John 14:16-17; 26, 15:26; 16:13, 17:17, Psalm 119:142, Jeremiah 31:31-33). This would obviously rebuke the position offered in verse 1. Thus Peter would declare that legalism is a false doctrine."

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"Acts 15:5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses."

The point that these “believing” Pharisees were trying to make is that converts should still be told that following the Law of God is part of being a believer. Christians would agree with that today would they not? We agree that we should not murder, or lie, etc. These Pharisees were “believers” meaning they were in God’s plan of salvation. They are not “legalizers” like the false brethren in verse 1. These Pharisees have true faith in order to be defined as believers. Thus James must still address the point established in Acts 15:5 and rule against the point in Acts 15:1."

- Article Entry | Passion for Truth Ministries < click



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Acts 15
The Council at Jerusalem
5But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

12Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.

13And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

18Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 21For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

The Letter to the Gentile Believers
22Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: 24Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 25It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

The Believers at Antioch Rejoice
30So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle: 31Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation. 32And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them. 33And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace from the brethren unto the apostles. 34Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still. 35Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.

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The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:




WomanLovesTX;
could you save me some time if possible, and point me to 'exegesis' from Passion For Truth (Two-House Theology) which explains why the Jerusalem Council did not record forever something like this:



"The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have tried to help you in your sanctification with words, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment, but it is not intended to subvert your souls, rather eventually you will be required to be circumcised.

But for now, it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well.

Paul (or one of us) will teach you later about how to be circumcised and how to keep the sabbath.
Fare ye well.

and would you show me where those later instructions are found in the New Testament?


thanks - i'll watch for your reply.
zone.

 

[Karraster]

Please tell me why you dont keep the other 9 also , were not all given at once ? Is not the other nine part of Moses law also ?

bump....all day long...bump...this needs to be on top. Great question!

 

[zone]

You think it's best? You shouldn't even be commenting here, it was addressed to Sabbath keepers. All you want all day long is to sow discord. You are good at that. You can't even follow the simple rules of CC. You hurl insult after insult. You remind me of people in their cars I've seen beside me at red lights, picking their nose like nobody can see them in their car. Well you may be hid away from our eyes, but God sees everything you do and knows everything you think.

Karraster;
sabbath-keeping can not be discussed without discussion of the Law.
ALL OF IT.

 

[Karraster]

Zone-why are you flooding this thread? That is against CC rules, no flooding. Oh wait, you don hav to follow any stinkin rule do u? You are freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[zone]

bump....all day long...bump...this needs to be on top. Great question!

it's so easy to ask that question

would you please go to the NEW TESTAMENT (COVENANT BOOK) and show me instructions for keeping the sabbath and/or warnings against breaking it. anywhere.

i'll wait here (all year).

disciples of Jesus Christ get their instruction from His APOSTLES.

haven't you heard?
now about that sabbath....??
where is it?

 

[Karraster]

Zone why are you here? What is it to you if some want to do as Jesus said? He died for us. Is it not the least we could do to show Him our love?

 

[zone]

Zone-why are you flooding this thread? That is against CC rules, no flooding. Oh wait, you don hav to follow any stinkin rule do u? You are freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

flooding? what's that?
i'm having a discussion with a Torah-Observant Gentile who thinks they are of the Lost 10 Tribes.

i just posted a question for you.
do have the answer?
chapter & verse from the NT.
thanks.

 

[Karraster]

it's so easy to ask that question

would you please go to the NEW TESTAMENT (COVENANT BOOK) and show me instructions for keeping the sabbath and/or warnings against breaking it. anywhere.

i'll wait here (all year).

disciples of Jesus Christ get their instruction from His APOSTLES.

haven't you heard?
now about that sabbath....??
where is it?

If it's so easy, why don't you answer it? And pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease, don't plagiarize.!! Your loooooooooooggggggg cut and past s gets olddddddddddddddddd!!!!

 

[Karraster]

flooding? what's that?
i'm having a discussion with a Torah-Observant Gentile who thinks they are of the Lost 10 Tribes.

i just posted a question for you.
do have the answer?
chapter & verse from the NT.
thanks.

Shoulda known. You don't need rules. It's why you are so unruly and rude!

 

[JaumeJ]

Watch out for the swarm.......play fair.

 

[Karraster]

Flooding, hogging a post! it's in the cc rules of civilized behavior. Read that. Maybe then you can act more suitable.

 

[zone]

Zone why are you here? What is it to you if some want to do as Jesus said? He died for us. Is it not the least we could do to show Him our love?

what is to me?
if you esteem one day over another, God Bless you in that.

but that's not what this is about - it never is.
concerning what Jesus said - could you please get the NT teachings concerning the faith delivered once for all and show me sabbath-keeping in it?

 

[Karraster]

Watch out for the swarm.......play fair.

ha ha, I never did tolerate bullies well.

 

[zone]

If it's so easy, why don't you answer it? And pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease, don't plagiarize.!! Your loooooooooooggggggg cut and past s gets olddddddddddddddddd!!!!

can't find the passages?
they must be there somewhere.

teachings from the Apostles on sabbath-keeping.
how to keep it; and the danger of breaking it.

this is the thread to show it, isn't it?

come now....where is it?

NT sabbath doctrine.

 

[Karraster]

what is to me?
if you esteem one day over another, God Bless you in that.

but that's not what this is about - it never is.
concerning what Jesus said - could you please get the NT teachings concerning the faith delivered once for all and show me sabbath-keeping in it?

God bless you. Now go away. I would like to talk with my brothers and sisters about what the topic of this thread is. That ok with you your majesty?

 

[Praus]

You shouldn't even be commenting here, it was addressed to Sabbath keepers..

It seems that you're not here for fellowship with Christians.

http://christianchat.com/rules.php

2. No conduct that is offensive or counterproductive to fellowship.
We like to welcome all to Christian Chat, but if anyone is not here for fellowship (or for wanting to know about Christianity), but simply for disrupting fellowship, offending people, whatever, then that person is not welcome.

 

[Praus]

Now go away.

Reported....