Paul was not qualified to be an apostle

[p_rehbein]

and then we got 2Thewaters and the commentary he is providing..........wow..........Hollywood couldn't dream up this stuff!

 

[Brother_Don]

foul mouthed fishermen, lying cheating tax collectors, c-mon. it wouldn't look like much if God would only pick and choose the righteous. When they are changed from what they was to what Christ Jesus wanted them to be. Paul was chose buy God, it is written.

 

[2Thewaters]

Whoever says do not listen to PAul
is a false spirit of unbelief and untruth

There fore, REPENT!
leave that foolish church that is teaching you to perish

come to the word of God!

Ezek 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?


Ezek 33:14 Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
Ezek 33:15 If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Ezek 33:16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.


Repent!
come back to brother PAuls writings of truth and righteousness/

 

[p_rehbein]

Whoever says do not listen to PAul
is a false spirit of unbelief and untruth

I appreciate that you are taking this thread serious, but it's an exercise in futility........the author of the OP is simply......



well, in my opinion anyway...........

 

[2Thewaters]

and then we got 2Thewaters and the commentary he is providing..........wow..........Hollywood couldn't dream up this stuff!

No, Hollywood doesn't know any truth

all their stuff is fiction

 

[posthuman]

Where these verse overlooked in reading Scripture as concerning Paul being an apostle? There are nine (9) verses which say he was an apostle.....

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

1Co 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

2Co 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead; )

Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Col 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,

1Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;

2Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Tit 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

it was pointed out that this is Paul himself testifying about his apostleship --

well, why do you think Paul had to take the time to defend himself? as also pointed out, the Jews of the day were staunchly against him, so that practically every church he started, they came behind him with false teachings, so in his letters, he addressed their heresies. anyone who has read and understood the epistles ought to see that clearly.

attacking Paul's credentials is nothing new.

Jesus rose to Heaven flesh and bones (no blood, since life is in the blood).

why wouldn't Christ's blood also have risen up? has He no life??
the blood of the Son of Man is the price of our redemption, and it was literally poured out in the true temple which is in heaven, once and for all. else how is our sin forgiven? this is why he wouldn't suffer himself to be touched before he had ascended (John 20:17) -- the spotless lamb couldn't be tainted by sinful hands before being offered at the heavenly altar.

Paul's apostleship

right on! (this phrase, at least)



what is the requirement for "apostleship" ?

isn't it the ones that Christ himself, in the flesh, personally called?
what do you think Saul / Paul's Damascus road experience was? who was it that blinded & called him, but Christ!?

the others cast lots and chose Matthais to replace Judas. have we ever heard anything about Matthais again?

 

[2Thewaters]

Psa 101:3 I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me.

 

[2Thewaters]

They hate paul because Paul warned them of evil men hijacking the church of Jesus

Also
Paul warned against the coming ANTIchrist
who will act like Jesus
talk like Jesus
but we are not to go to the desert to see this fake
The fake has no scars in his hands or feet
This same Jesus will come again
with scars in his hands and feet.

The fake will say he changed Sabbath to Sunday
That is how we know he is fake

God doesnt change his law.

 

[p_rehbein]

No, Hollywood doesn't know any truth

all their stuff is fiction

........well, yeah, that was kinda the point........the OP is fiction!

(and you are trying to have a serious discussion with her.........futility!)

 

[LovePink]

Okay, I cannot keep up w/the posts, so sue me, eat popcorn, put on a tinfoil hat and call it.

I really wonder who is truly reading my words in my posts, because some of your questions are giving me the impression this is not happening. To the guy asking about the new man, I'm just going to call reading comprehension problem much, I specifically stated from the beginning we do not read about the new man outside of Paul's epistles, so why would I be saying whatever that was you posted on the last page about the 11 something or whatever.

You really don't understand the new man? It's who we are, in Christ, do you know our purpose? Our ministry?

 

[LovePink]

@ I forget who, but you will know who you are Eph 2:15 is another verse.

 

[oldhermit]

Jesus had 72 apostles, along with the 12 main apostles. Other followers of Jesus are referred to as 'disciples'. That's what we are, if we truly follow Christ - His disciples.

The term apostle was used by Jesus to specifically designate the 12 as being separate from the rest of the disciples.

"And when day came, He called His disciples to Him and chose twelve of them, whom He also named as apostles:" Lk. 6:13

However, the term apostle was also applied to others is Acts that were not part of the apostolic band. Knowing the difference lies in understanding why the others were also called apostles.

 

[Ariel82]

@ I forget who, but you will know who you are Eph 2:15 is another verse.

on the bottom right hand corner is a button that says "reply with quote"

if you want to respond to people and not type out their whole response its a useful function.

[h=3]Ephesians 2:15[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

I believe the one whom you are speaking with understands the concept of the new man. They are just questioning if you know the answers to your questions:

"Do you know our purpose? Our ministry?"

 

[posthuman]

You really don't understand the new man? It's who we are, in Christ, do you know our purpose? Our ministry?

Christ = Adam 2.0

we are become in Him a new creation

(see: 1 Corinthians 15)

 

[Ariel82]

The fake will say he changed Sabbath to Sunday
That is how we know he is fake

this is another thread and you are derailing this one. if you want to preach the Sabbath day observance perhaps doing so in another thread would be more polite.

Personally I want to know the OP's stance on Paul and his apostleship and don't really want to engage in the false doctrine of having to keep the Jewish Sabbath day. Or talk about how people pick and choose what that means: no animal sacrifice, no obeying the Law to the letter but just enough"following the Law" to make them feel superior to everyone else. the hypocrisy is evident to most except for those who practice it.

<note: i probably should just let it slide, and follow Jesus advice about allowing the blind lead the blind and falling into a ditch>

 

[LovePink]

Now, my last post for awhile. I saw this by oldhermit;

// What you are going to have to explain is Acts 9:15 and 1615But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel;*16for I will show him how much he must suffer for My name’s sake.”//

Paul's ministry entailed quite a bit, there was a diminishing, provocation, emulation- I believe are the key word along with the ministry of reconciliation.

Your post was so long ago, initially, I stated right off "Jesus' earthy ministry" in op, but I guess the title was overbearing let me repost a portion for the sake of sanity;

// What were the requirements for an apostle of Jesus' earthly ministry (Rm 15:8) ....... God did what what when He raised up, converted and separated Saul unto Himself? (Rm 1:1, Gal 1:15)//


Btw, the comparison I am making, this is to another poster, in no way meaning I believe Paul should have or was meant to be or replace Judas. What I was saying is there were criteria for the ministry of selecting that replacement.

 

[oldhermit]

Now, my last post for awhile. I saw this by oldhermit;

// What you are going to have to explain is Acts 9:15 and 1615But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel;*16for I will show him how much he must suffer for My name’s sake.”//

Paul's ministry entailed quite a bit, there was a diminishing, provocation, emulation- I believe are the key word along with the ministry of reconciliation.

Your post was so long ago, initially, I stated right off "Jesus' earthy ministry" in op, but I guess the title was overbearing let me repost a portion for the sake of sanity;

// What were the requirements for an apostle of Jesus' earthly ministry (Rm 15:8) ....... God did what what when He raised up, converted and separated Saul unto Himself? (Rm 1:1, Gal 1:15)//


Btw, the comparison I am making, this is to another poster, in no way meaning I believe Paul should have or was meant to be or replace Judas. What I was saying is there were criteria for the ministry of selecting that replacement.

Jesus was not bound thy the "qualifications" set forth in Acts chapter 1. Since the Church belongs to him he can appoint whom he chooses. Your also seem to believe that since he initially appointed 12 that that is somehow a restrictive number. You still have not answered Acts 9:15.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Wow this thread is a train wreck.

 

[Tintin]

The term apostle was used by Jesus to specifically designate the 12 as being separate from the rest of the disciples.

"And when day came, He called His disciples to Him and chose twelve of them, whom He also named as apostles:" Lk. 6:13

However, the term apostle was also applied to others is Acts that were not part of the apostolic band. Knowing the difference lies in understanding why the others were also called apostles.

Yes, that's very true. I was referring to Acts. Thanks.

 

[LovePink]

on the bottom right hand corner is a button that says "reply with quote"

if you want to respond to people and not type out their whole response its a useful function.

Thank you so much, very kind of you to help.

"Do you know our purpose? Our ministry?"

Yes, to be ambassadors of Christ with the gospel of the grace of God, to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery,. Our ministry is called the ministry of reconciliation. Eph 3:9, 2 Cor 5:17-21