We know about throwing out law, does the law have anything good about it??

[Isdaniel]

Gracekeeper?
wow....that's a bad thing?

the Lord never told you going to church on saturday was keeping the Law.
if you are keeping the saturday sabbath, you are staying HOME RESTING.

not going to "church".
LOL.

you will always say that because of exodus 16
hmmm which as all your answers you clearly donot understand the bible hmmm

Thou shall not kindle no fire on the sabbath oppps did the priest light fire in the temple on the sabbath wow they broke the law hmmm


you are saved b grace hmm well go and worship ido;s then hmm God will not mind because you are under grace it give you the right to do that


please sure me the verse that God says stay inside and not to go out on the sabbath i am waiting hmmmmm

 

[zone]

Lets say you want to go outside really bad but your teacher said no hmmm you will obey outwardly that is stay inside but in your heart you really did not because it was not done in heart service but as a ritual

well your pedagogue told you to stay inside your place on the sabbath.
not go outside...to "church".

so why are you breaking his rules?

 

[Isdaniel]

well your pedagogue told you to stay inside your place on the sabbath.
not go outside...to "church".

so why are you breaking his rules?

you can never shew where God say stay inside on the sabbath day cant you hmm let me give you a clue to your foolish reasoning ok

hmm i wonder if the persons not the Levites went to the temple on the sabbath days hmmm i wonder what david was doing there hmmm thou grace keeper hmmmmmm

I wonder if persons could have slept there besides the priest hmmm

No wonder you are Zone because truly you arfe in a zone of falsehood hmmmmm

 

[Isdaniel]

well your pedagogue told you to stay inside your place on the sabbath.
not go outside...to "church".

so why are you breaking his rules?

God say dont light fire hmm i wonder if i drive to church or put on a light swich t oopss i am breaking the sabbth hmmm
Only the wise will understand hmm well if you do not well thou art a hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[SarahM777]

you can never shew where God say stay inside on the sabbath day cant you hmm let me give you a clue to your foolish reasoning ok

hmm i wonder if the persons not the Levites went to the temple on the sabbath days hmmm i wonder what david was doing there hmmm thou grace keeper hmmmmmm

I wonder if persons could have slept there besides the priest hmmm

No wonder you are Zone because truly you arfe in a zone of falsehood hmmmmm

Exodus 16

27 Nevertheless, some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather it, but they found none.28 Then the Lord said to Moses, “How long will you[c] refuse to keep my commands and my instructions?29 Bear in mind that the Lord has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Everyone is to stay where they are on the seventh day; no one is to go out.”30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

 

[zone]

you will always say that because of exodus 16
hmmm which as all your answers you clearly donot understand the bible hmmm

Thou shall not kindle no fire on the sabbath oppps did the priest light fire in the temple on the sabbath wow they broke the law hmmm


you are saved b grace hmm well go and worship ido;s then hmm God will not mind because you are under grace it give you the right to do that


please sure me the verse that God says stay inside and not to go out on the sabbath i am waiting hmmmmm

Exodus 16
28Then the LORD said to Moses, "How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My instructions? 29"See, the LORD has given you the sabbath; therefore He gives you bread for two days on the sixth day. Remain every man in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day." 30So the people rested on the seventh day.

Leviticus 23
2"Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, 'The LORD'S appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations-- My appointed times are these: 3'For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to the LORD in all your dwellings.


so where did he tell you to go to (SDA) church on saturday?

shadow: meet Substance < CHRIST.

Colossians 2
11In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15He disarmed the rulers and authoritiesb and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.c

Let No One Disqualify You
16Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

 

[zone]

you can never shew where God say stay inside on the sabbath day cant you hmm let me give you a clue to your foolish reasoning ok

hmm i wonder if the persons not the Levites went to the temple on the sabbath days hmmm i wonder what david was doing there hmmm thou grace keeper hmmmmmm

I wonder if persons could have slept there besides the priest hmmm

No wonder you are Zone because truly you arfe in a zone of falsehood hmmmmm

thou grace keeper?

Galatians 2:21
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

but you mock grace.
astonishing.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You have created a straw man, once again, saying what you think we believe, without Bible verses to support your erroneous position. And a straw man will burn easily in the fire.

I urge you to read the books of the New Testament. You will find a living gospel on every page, not this dead Old Covenant, given to the people of Israel, which has disappeared.

I am convinced that most, if not all, of these people are not real students of scripture, but get most (all?) of their ideas and talking points from places like law-cultist and Hebrew roots websites, and Ellen White's seventh day adventist propaganda. If they do study scripture, their minds have been so indoctrinated with these false ideas that they cannot hear the many scriptures that clearly invalidate what they believe. Instead they just keep repeating over and over the false characterizations they have been taught, like the one this OP is based on.

 

[Isdaniel]

Exodus 16
28Then the LORD said to Moses, "How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My instructions? 29"See, the LORD has given you the sabbath; therefore He gives you bread for two days on the sixth day. Remain every man in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day." 30So the people rested on the seventh day.

Leviticus 23
2"Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, 'The LORD'S appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations-- My appointed times are these: 3'For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to the LORD in all your dwellings.


so where did he tell you to go to (SDA) church on saturday?

shadow: meet Substance < CHRIST.

Colossians 2
11In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15He disarmed the rulers and authoritiesb and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.c

Let No One Disqualify You
16Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

Again your follish reasoning



Why were they not to go out and for what ? hmmm

[h=3]Exodus 16:22-30[/h]King James Version (KJV)

22 And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
23 And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the Lord: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
28 And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
29 See, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
30 So the people rested on the seventh day.



loks like the sabbath was given before Mt Sinai hmm what that is in the bible wheyyyy i will wait to see how you twist this one hmmm before Mt Sinai okay

 

[cfultz3]

Faith hmm but he had works did he hmm he obey the law because the law says offer the first to God thus he had faith in this law and the benifit thus justifed by faith and works not faith alone

I think the Law came a loooooooooooong time after him.

A faith without works is dead.

A living faith produces a pleasing walk before God.

Not through one's flesh. But, a soul who has became alive to its spirit.

They who are in Christ are no longer under the Law.

They who are under the Law no longer have a justification. Who will deliver them from Hades?

 

[zone]

I am convinced that most, if not all, of these people are not real students of scripture, but get most (all?) of their ideas and talking points from places like law-cultist and Hebrew roots websites, and Ellen White's seventh day adventist propaganda. If they do study scripture, their minds have been so indoctrinated with these false ideas that they cannot hear the many scriptures that clearly invalidate what they believe. Instead they just keep repeating over and over the false characterizations they have been taught, like the one this OP is based on.

"Andy Nash admits Life Assurance Ministries Life Assurance Ministries Home (LAM) is making an impact on the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

In his February 17, 2011 article, "Remembering to Laugh," well-known Adventist author Andy Nash acknowledges the impact that former Adventist ministries are having on the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Large numbers of Adventists are now searching the web and discovering that the Bible can't support much of what they were taught. "

Former Adventist Ministries Making an Impact on SDA Church

 

[Isdaniel]

I am convinced that most, if not all, of these people are not real students of scripture, but get most (all?) of their ideas and talking points from places like law-cultist and Hebrew roots websites, and Ellen White's seventh day adventist propaganda. If they do study scripture, their minds have been so indoctrinated with these false ideas that they cannot hear the many scriptures that clearly invalidate what they believe. Instead they just keep repeating over and over the false characterizations they have been taught, like the one this OP is based on.

i wonder who taught you hmmm most likely a dead man because your doctrine is dead and has no life in it

 

[cfultz3]

Gracekeeper?
wow....that's a bad thing?

My exact thought also......

 

[RedTent]

I truly think that by taking a truth and twisting it a bit, we end up wrong.

You say "we do not have to deal with the law". "God does the work for us" I think that the new covenant in Christ is a reciprocal covenant, and we, as humans, have to cooperate with it. You have taken the truth that we must do this through Christ, and expanded it to take all your personal discipline and involvement out of it. We do have a part in this covenant.

You say that if we try to obey, that obedience is only done with our flesh. When scripture says "flesh" it often means that part of us that is not Godly. When we use ourselves to obey, that is not saying that it is the ungodly part of us doing it. And that we must not be involved in the obedience.

You say that the old covenant is completely dead and replaced by the covenant of love. In all my study of life before the new covenant was given, I have never found scripture to say that we must not have love.

You say only Christ dealt with sin, and the conclusion we must make from this truth is that we don't have to. It is true, only Christ can wipe our sin away, there is life for us only through Christ. That truth does not absolve us from being a part of working with the Christ in us to repent of sin, and to do our best to follow Christ in a narrow road that does not include sin.

You say the old covenant is gone. That does not mean that the God principles, all that God is and expressed through the covenants He has made is wiped out. We must learn exactly what Christ changed, and eliminating God as God gave the Hebrews to tell us about is not wiped out, any more than our world has been wiped out. That is for the last days.

 

[Isdaniel]

"Andy Nash admits Life Assurance Ministries Life Assurance Ministries Home (LAM) is making an impact on the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

In his February 17, 2011 article, "Remembering to Laugh," well-known Adventist author Andy Nash acknowledges the impact that former Adventist ministries are having on the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Large numbers of Adventists are now searching the web and discovering that the Bible can't support much of what they were taught. "

Former Adventist Ministries Making an Impact on SDA Church

SDA is a false church hmmm and alot of sabbath keeping churches will they be saved lets see is there doctrine pure hmm nope you just do not get it dont you hmmmm

 

[cfultz3]

Time for my exist.

I hope I have offered Light to those seeking truth.

--Chris

 

[Isdaniel]

"Andy Nash admits Life Assurance Ministries Life Assurance Ministries Home (LAM) is making an impact on the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

In his February 17, 2011 article, "Remembering to Laugh," well-known Adventist author Andy Nash acknowledges the impact that former Adventist ministries are having on the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Large numbers of Adventists are now searching the web and discovering that the Bible can't support much of what they were taught. "

Former Adventist Ministries Making an Impact on SDA Church

DO Sda celebrate christmas hmm yip do they keep sabbath yip hmmm do they have the whole truth nope

Do all Sunday Churches have the same doctrine nope but all go to church on Sunday hmmmm

I could go on muslims hondus etc get the point

 

[Isdaniel]

"Andy Nash admits Life Assurance Ministries Life Assurance Ministries Home (LAM) is making an impact on the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

In his February 17, 2011 article, "Remembering to Laugh," well-known Adventist author Andy Nash acknowledges the impact that former Adventist ministries are having on the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Large numbers of Adventists are now searching the web and discovering that the Bible can't support much of what they were taught. "

Former Adventist Ministries Making an Impact on SDA Church

I am not of any of the churches you mentioned hmmmmm however they have some point that i agree with hmmm as soon people hear sabbath they think Sda hmm sda believe Jesus is Michael the archangel does the bible teach that no

 

[Isdaniel]

To all Gracekeepers look forward to rule you all with a rod of iron in the 1000 yr opps Zone dont believe that ther is a literal 1000 yrs hmmm

[h=3]Micah 4[/h]King James Version (KJV)

4 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it.
5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the Lordour God for ever and ever.
6 In that day, saith the Lord, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted;
7 And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the Lord shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.

 

[weakness]

James 2:8-9 If you fulfill the royal law according to scriptures, You should love your neighbor as thyself ,you do well: But if you have respect of persons, you commit sin and are convinced of the law as transgressors. Heb 10:16 This is the covenant I will make with them after those days ,says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. For the law was not made for the righteous ,but for the ungodly and the sinner. Rom 5:13 For until the law sin was in the world: but sin was not imputed where there is no law. 20 Moreover the law entered that the offence might abound. But where sin did abound, grace did much more abound. Rom 2:14 For when the gentiles which have not the law , do by nature the things contained in the law,these, having not the law are a law unto themselves.15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts.