Theory of Evolution

[zone]

Hi Zone, always nice to chat with you.

It is completely settled that evolution occurred. There is no disagreement about that, not even with evolutionists with a Christian bent, and there are many. The fact is that evolutionists, whether they are atheists or Christians think the same things in regard evolution. There are plenty of debates over the details, but none over whether or not evolution occurs.

hi Cycel,
"It is completely settled that evolution occurred" - one authoritative source please?

"There is no disagreement about that, not even with evolutionists with a Christian bent, and there are many. The fact is that evolutionists, whether they are atheists or Christians think the same things in regard evolution." - so:

because all Christian agree that God created the world, that doesn't mean it's true - for you?

because all evolutionists believe evolution is true - that makes evolution true?

a-a-a-a-a-and:

"There are plenty of debates over the details, but none over whether or not evolution occurs." - as in, is occurring now....and is an ongoing, continual process.

may i see the evidence that one species is currently evolving into another today?

again, Cycel...i'm afraid you simply are unable to account for information. even in an atheist's view, life can not evolve in any way without information (i'll be lazy and call it DNA - blueprints).

if a random, accidental existence came about (the cause of the big bang not withstanding), it would be chaotic and not orderly, and information would not evolve in an orderly fashion.

evolution of 'life', resulting in species PLURAL, along with natural selection only 'works' with an unimaginably OLD universe.
together with an impossible number of alternative evolutionary scenarios which apparently did NOT take place.
which is why a inflationary, or expanding cosmology was needed.

chaos or order. you must choose one.
if it began as chaos, and evolved into order....is it all evolving into a SUPER ORDER, and how would that come to pass, since mankind has only been able to effect such things as basic animal husbandry.

these are questions i wonder about (that apparently have been resolved by all the evolutionists who agree with each other).

if you say - these question do not matter, are irrelevant, you are not being honest.

in reality, Cycel, you are holding to a very religious system:

Kabbalistic Cosmology
and its parallels in the
‘Big-Bang' of Modern Physics
Kabbalistic Cosmology


the science (which is mere philosphy) is all about emandations.
you've seen this site before.

i will post some more scholary articles on the subject, and you will find your favorite "atheists" in them.
they are very religious people, some of them

love zone.

 

[2Thewaters]

the theory of revolution is better.

Doxens of years ago there was a great earthquake.

All animals revolved in great circles and eventually they got tired and went to sleep
and thats how the animals were happy
the end.

makes a lot more sense.

 

[2Thewaters]

It is completely setltled that evolution did not occur.

there, I canceled your out.

You are so gullible.

science tells us evolution could not happen.

True science is REPRODUCIBLE EXPERIMENTATION

go make me
with all the technology on this plane
one working insulin molecule from scratch

usoing al the scientists at the CDC and any chem lab you want

you cannot do it

to make one randomly
totally cant happen.

just one
you cannot
it cannot be done

a living cell has to make insulin.

it can not be made from scratch due to isomer issues

 

[2Thewaters]

Used car salesmen say their cars are the best in the world

only children believe all this garbage.

 

[2Thewaters]

i posted the fact insulin could not be made randomly here on this web site

this morning CNN did not cover that issue
fox news did not bring it to the world
it isnt world news

it totally destroyed evolution and no one cares

Take it to the highest scientific circles
they will say that is correct
randome proteins cannot be made
but it wont be on CNN of Fox
it never will be.
yet it is the truth

 

[KJV1611]

God made every living creature to reproduce after his own kind... All creatures that exist today or have existed in the past came from their own kind... there are no cross overs of species. Monkeys didn't reproduce men.

Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

 

[Kerry]

Evolution is a bigger lie than if you like your health care plan you can keep it. Just like this lie of evolution it will continue to be shoved down our throats. Just like Obama is the lie of the year, evolution is the lie of he century and so many gullible people have accepted this educated guess as fact. When there is not one scratch of evidence to support it. The fact is that there are so many people who have the lack of knowledge of God that they are willing to accept a lie or they are so against God that they have invented their own history. It is the same as idol worship and now we sacrifice our children to the God of pleasure. The last number I saw was 42 million babies murdered in the name of a good time. God Help us.

 

[Jredfox4111]

@ zone

yes i know. you have holes in your understanding. black holes
since you have the holes, yet claim to know what lies on either side of them....i wondered what the holes were.

I'll say it again -- we know what lies on each side of abiogenesis (no life, then life) what we don't know is how the life formed. That was the whole little example.

yup - but...well no, not PM.
if you could post your sources here we could discuss it.
okay. take care then.

Very well as you wish.

Cosmic microwave background - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Now, Wikipedia is a great introduction to the material, but no source

Age Of Universe This is an alright one, but the PRIMARY sources I cannot reach because they are in scientific journals, of which I am not a subscriber.

Anyway, I think you'll be able to find what you're looking for in these. IF there's any problem or you need a question answered or whatever, let me know.

P.S. Still waiting for that silver bullet to make a hole in me.

 

[Jredfox4111]

Evolution is a bigger lie than if you like your health care plan you can keep it. Just like this lie of evolution it will continue to be shoved down our throats. Just like Obama is the lie of the year, evolution is the lie of he century and so many gullible people have accepted this educated guess as fact. When there is not one scratch of evidence to support it. The fact is that there are so many people who have the lack of knowledge of God that they are willing to accept a lie or they are so against God that they have invented their own history. It is the same as idol worship and now we sacrifice our children to the God of pleasure. The last number I saw was 42 million babies murdered in the name of a good time. God Help us.

Anti-Obama, creationism, and pro-life all in one post . . . Gotta be a record. Not to say I don't agree halfway with you on somethings, but still . . .

 

[Kerry]

@ zone



I'll say it again -- we know what lies on each side of abiogenesis (no life, then life) what we don't know is how the life formed. That was the whole little example.



Very well as you wish.

Cosmic microwave background - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Now, Wikipedia is a great introduction to the material, but no source

Age Of Universe This is an alright one, but the PRIMARY sources I cannot reach because they are in scientific journals, of which I am not a subscriber.

Anyway, I think you'll be able to find what you're looking for in these. IF there's any problem or you need a question answered or whatever, let me know.

P.S. Still waiting for that silver bullet to make a hole in me.

To your signature, God is more than able. Yet to protect His righteousness He will not override your free will. If you choose to do evil, He will not stop you. Satan choose to rebel, God did not stop him. The end result is hell fire, but if thats what you want He will give it to you. We suffer because of sin in the world and God sent His son so that those who choose to beleive in Him will be saved from the hell we are all condemned to. In other words its your choice and not His mandate.

 

[JaumeJ]

You have stated "we" know through science, fine. In the late sixties I used to discuss the creation with friends who were grad students in astrophysics. They would speak in the terms they knew well, quite technical at times, yet they were interested in what I, even I, a believer in the Most High God, had to contribute. They were and are quite humble folks.

One day the subject of the size of the Universe was the topic. My contribution to the conversation was simple and to the point. I put forth that as man discovers more and more about the Universe, he will find it is larger and larger with his discoveries.

A little over ten years ago a new popular theory arose about the size of the univers. It states that it just may be there are several universes.

To this theory I say the same as I contributed to that discussion in the late 1960's, and that is this: No matter how much man learns or thinks he knows, he will never be able to measure the universe because God will not allow it giving the creature satisfaction of being able to measure the work of the Creator. This idea did not come from simple knowledge of the science of mankind, it sprung up from believing the Most High God, and that He is all capable. He really can do anything we can imagine and much, much more.

@zone

No, not just philosophy. We know through science quite a few things about the history of the universe. David Christian: The history of our world in 18 minutes | Video on TED.com There are some grey areas where we're not sure, such as: what caused the 'Big Bang,' (which, as Cycel said is just a term, not an accurate picture of the expansion) or what caused life on Earth. It's not philosophy, there's just holes that have yet to be filled. We know what lies on either side of the holes in some cases, but we don't know what the hole actually is . . . That's science. We may never know everything, but science is there to help us learn as much as we can . . . I'm sure I'm sounding condescending now so I'll stop. Have a great day.


@ 2theWaters

Genesis 1: 25-27 -- And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 2: 18-22 -- And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him and help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them.... And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Yes sir, quite a historical document indeed. First we see animals created first then man and woman simultaneously afterward. After that we see Adam created first, then the animals, then Eve . . . Starting to sound like two myths pushed together to me.

 

[Karraster]

Anti-Obama, creationism, and pro-life all in one post . . . Gotta be a record. Not to say I don't agree halfway with you on somethings, but still . . .

a record? u don't get out much, do u?

 

[2Thewaters]

I say it is kind of like the theory of chocolate dinosaurs,
it all got real warm one day and suddenly all the dinosaurs melted!
yes that is a good one. better than evolution.

 

[Yeshy]

Hi Yeshy, I think we both know that Waters is just spouting off. It's likely he/she doesn't know enough about evolution to discus the matter, hence the unsupported statement. Just saying. Waters is free to prove me wrong of course, and I am more than willing to make a public apology for jumping the gun and passing judgement.

Hello Cycel, Awesome DP btw! it's true. They have no knowledge of evolution what-so-ever and it's painful to watch them try to disprove what they don't even know.

 

[p_rehbein]

Hello Cycel, Awesome DP btw! it's true. They have no knowledge of evolution what-so-ever and it's painful to watch them try to disprove what they don't even know.

What a joke.............elitist anti-Christ intellectuals...........and just think how far you have come...........

 

[2Thewaters]

Paganism raises animals higher than men, this is how we know evolution is of the impotent satan.

 

[p_rehbein]

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[2Thewaters]

This is true
Darwin disrespected his mother and father.
He called them children of monkees.

Darwin was actually a satan worshipper and he was told to write it up.

 

[2Thewaters]

Darwin had no science background
he was a complete idiot

A long time ago, don't know when and don't know where, because there wasn't any where and there wasn't any time. But, a long time ago there was nothing and it was no where that makes sense. Nothing can be no where. Nothing doesn't have to have somewhere to be, because it is nothing, and nothing can be no where. A long time ago there was nothing no where, a long time ago when there wasn't anywhere.
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why did his theory survive?
he had the help of demons


The late Roger Morneau, who testified to have been a Satanist for a couple of months, made some startling revelations against Charles Darwin and how he was used by Satan to deceive people into rejecting God. In his book ‘A Trip into the supernatural’ (also on an interview that is available on youtube), Roger makes the following statement:

The priest went on to explain how this the plan of the (impotent satan) to deceive the human family, is most intriguing to his mind, as it was used by the master to launch a truly monumental deception that would literally capture the minds of millions. The priest explained that a fellow by the name of Charles Darwin, and another by the name of Thomas Henry Huxley, could be effectively used and controlled by the spirits because in their childhood, medical doctors had hypnotized them. The spirits concluded that they would be very good tools in their hands to lead large numbers of people to fall for another major deception, thus fulfilling their third policy. The third point in the plan of Lucifer and his spirit counselors was to destroy the Bible, without burning it.
Evolution
It was all very interesting to hear about this, as I was informed that after the great General Counsel, it was decided that Lucifer would tutor Charles Darwin personally. So in setting up the principles of his theories of evolution, Darwin was tutored by Satan himself, the master fallen angel. And at that time it was well understood, by this mastermind and his spirit counselors that if a person were led to believe in the theory of evolution, it would in his mind and heart destroy completely any confidence in the Biblical record of creation week, as detailed in the book of Genesis. This would also effectively destroy all belief in the fall of human kind, and in God’s plan of redemption. Thus in one master stroke they could do away with all of the foundational historical realities which point to the reality of man’s rebellion against his Maker and his desperate need for salvation. Now the high priest made a unique statement, he said that according to the spirit intelligences, anyone who teaches other persons the theory of evolution is considered to be a minister of a great religious system. You see they actually understood it to be a religious system, this theory of evolution. This is because it was ingeniously devised by the master himself, as a system of schooling people to disqualify themselves – by making a spiritual choice – to reject the reality of the Creator and of Christ’s future eternal kingdom.
And the priest explained to us that every teacher of this theory is recognized in the spirit world, as a person of great value to the master’s kingdom, and such teachers receive a very special unction from Lucifer himself who gives them great capacity and power to induce spiritual blindness, to totally convince and convert the mind. And that’s not all; the high priest said that the master considers teachers of evolution to be so valuable to him that in the sight of all the inhabitants of the galaxies, he assigns a special retinue of his bright and beautiful angels to follow that educator throughout all the remainder of his/her life. He would thus have the billions of unfallen inhabitants of the galaxies to know that he is bestowing the greatest of honors upon his chosen workers among humankind, until the great controversy between he and the Creator is finished. To say the least, this was all quite enlightening to hear.
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[2Thewaters]

So anyone teching evolution has very special demon possesion to follow him all the rest of his life...

whoa

" anyone who teaches other persons the theory of evolution is considered to be a minister of a great religious system. You see they actually understood it to be a religious system, this theory of evolution. "

Now you see why it is taught, most people are under satanic influence if they are not christs, and they are just impressed it is the truth...
Believe in impotent satan evolution?
no I do not believe in evolution. Do you now?