Can deity die?
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Yes I understand that, as un-biblical as it is I understand that you have chosen to believe Paradise to be a resting place based on one account which in no ways links to it being the same paradise which is spoken of in the Bible. I thought JW's were the ones who made up false theologies with no scriptural backing.
I respect you choice, do forgive me if you think I mean anything bad, I simply don't like purposeful avoidance of simple truths.
I respect you choice, do forgive me if you think I mean anything bad, I simply don't like purposeful avoidance of simple truths.
"...for we walk by faith, not by sight." Somethings I think that God is protecting us from ourselves by way of not revealing ALL the mysteries of the heavenly places. Just think with me for a minute.
If the simple things of God humans are inclined to hate, now image what greater condemnation humans would reap if we understood all the beautifully holy treasures of the mind of God and then bluntly reject Him just the same. Hence, we stand without excuse, and we desperately are in great need of a Savior.
If the simple things of God humans are inclined to hate, now image what greater condemnation humans would reap if we understood all the beautifully holy treasures of the mind of God and then bluntly reject Him just the same. Hence, we stand without excuse, and we desperately are in great need of a Savior.
Deu 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
It seems that 100% of folks participating in this thread all agree that the body of Jesus did, in fact, die. The discrepancy among you is in regards to whether the Spirit of the Lord Jesus died or not. Well, would you all agree in the following facts, please?
1. The Spirit of God is eternal since the Spirit of God already existed before Heaven & Earth were created. Genesis 1.
2. Jesus, the human baby, was born directly from the Spirit of God. Matthew 1:20.
3. Jesus, the adult Man, was baptized "and the Spirit of God" descended upon Him. Matthew 3:16.
4. Jesus acknowledges, while crucified, that His Spirit is being committed (safe guarded) to God. Luke 23:46.
5. In order of a Will (a Testament) to take effect, the testator (person making the Will) must first die for the heirs to have a claim. Hebrews 9:16-17.
Would you agree that Jesus was always full of the glory of God, and in order to the rest of us sinners to inherit from God, Jesus would have to die first as our Atonement?
Consequently, in order for sinners to inherit among the Living, Jesus would Himself need to be alive, which brings us back to the beginning: the Spirit of God never dies.
That's the value of the Holy Spirit in Christ, which raised Him from the dead, and the promise we have from Christ. The Lord is good.
1. The Spirit of God is eternal since the Spirit of God already existed before Heaven & Earth were created. Genesis 1.
2. Jesus, the human baby, was born directly from the Spirit of God. Matthew 1:20.
3. Jesus, the adult Man, was baptized "and the Spirit of God" descended upon Him. Matthew 3:16.
4. Jesus acknowledges, while crucified, that His Spirit is being committed (safe guarded) to God. Luke 23:46.
5. In order of a Will (a Testament) to take effect, the testator (person making the Will) must first die for the heirs to have a claim. Hebrews 9:16-17.
Would you agree that Jesus was always full of the glory of God, and in order to the rest of us sinners to inherit from God, Jesus would have to die first as our Atonement?
Consequently, in order for sinners to inherit among the Living, Jesus would Himself need to be alive, which brings us back to the beginning: the Spirit of God never dies.
That's the value of the Holy Spirit in Christ, which raised Him from the dead, and the promise we have from Christ. The Lord is good.
He died for our sins not just His sinew and bones and muscle.
It seems that 100% of folks participating in this thread all agree that the body of Jesus did, in fact, die. The discrepancy among you is in regards to whether the Spirit of the Lord Jesus died or not. Well, would you all agree in the following facts, please?
1. The Spirit of God is eternal since the Spirit of God already existed before Heaven & Earth were created. Genesis 1.
2. Jesus, the human baby, was born directly from the Spirit of God. Matthew 1:20.
3. Jesus, the adult Man, was baptized "and the Spirit of God" descended upon Him. Matthew 3:16.
4. Jesus acknowledges, while crucified, that His Spirit is being committed (safe guarded) to God. Luke 23:46.
5. In order of a Will (a Testament) to take effect, the testator (person making the Will) must first die for the heirs to have a claim. Hebrews 9:16-17.
Would you agree that Jesus was always full of the glory of God, and in order to the rest of us sinners to inherit from God, Jesus would have to die first as our Atonement?
Consequently, in order for sinners to inherit among the Living, Jesus would Himself need to be alive, which brings us back to the beginning: the Spirit of God never dies.
That's the value of the Holy Spirit in Christ, which raised Him from the dead, and the promise we have from Christ. The Lord is good.
1. The Spirit of God is eternal since the Spirit of God already existed before Heaven & Earth were created. Genesis 1.
2. Jesus, the human baby, was born directly from the Spirit of God. Matthew 1:20.
3. Jesus, the adult Man, was baptized "and the Spirit of God" descended upon Him. Matthew 3:16.
4. Jesus acknowledges, while crucified, that His Spirit is being committed (safe guarded) to God. Luke 23:46.
5. In order of a Will (a Testament) to take effect, the testator (person making the Will) must first die for the heirs to have a claim. Hebrews 9:16-17.
Would you agree that Jesus was always full of the glory of God, and in order to the rest of us sinners to inherit from God, Jesus would have to die first as our Atonement?
Consequently, in order for sinners to inherit among the Living, Jesus would Himself need to be alive, which brings us back to the beginning: the Spirit of God never dies.
That's the value of the Holy Spirit in Christ, which raised Him from the dead, and the promise we have from Christ. The Lord is good.
#2) Yes (if you are saying the Holy Spirit)
3#) Yes (this is My beloved Son........)
# 4) Yes
# 5) Yes
I would agree that Jesus was FULLY GOD while He was FULLY MAN, and remains FULLY GOD TODAY.
Yes, without His resurrection, there is no salvation, making the Promise void.
As to His resurrection, I would offer this passage of Scripture:
John 10:15) As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 .) And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
17 .) Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 .) No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
That is what I believe..............
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You've got to be joking? Nah, I read the entire thread, and 18 pages later, a pattern emerged.
Surely. Is there really someone who thinks the Spirit of Jesus died? Well, yes there are...
Didn't Jesus say "Before Abraham was born, I am?" Yes, He did speak those words.
Surely. Is there really someone who thinks the Spirit of Jesus died? Well, yes there are...
Didn't Jesus say "Before Abraham was born, I am?" Yes, He did speak those words.
The only reason why God can and has promise eternal life to sinners by way of redemption is because God alone is eternally Living.
I believe the Spirit of Jesus did not die on that crucifixion day because God cannot die by definition of living. God has promised eternal life to any whosoever wills to repent.
The only reason why God can and has promise eternal life to sinners by way of redemption is because God alone is eternally Living.
The only reason why God can and has promise eternal life to sinners by way of redemption is because God alone is eternally Living.
Death of the spirit is being sent to hell, to the flames, where the rich man who oppressed Lazarus went.
For the righteous, their spirits do not "die" when their body dies. Jesus' spirit did not die, could not die.
Death is when the body gives up its spirit. It does not involve death of the spirit.
This thread is what happens when people try to combine philosophical concepts such as the hypostatic union, which has no biblical authority, with biblical teaching. You end up with mush, confusion, people not having the faintest idea what it is they are trying to articulate. Best stick with the bible. Sola Scripture.
I do not understand how Calvinists can claim to be followers of Sola Scripture if they invoke the hypostatic union. It's not found in the bible but in the decrees of the Council of Chalcedon.
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Well, would you agree that a body needs a spirit to give it life, and the spirit of an individual needs a body to dwell in?
A body by itself is only DNA replication exponentially into tissue. Human tissue alone cannot atone for our sins, but the physical body of the Lord Jesus is holy, imperatively special.
On the other hand, a spirit without a body cannot be defined in a physical universe. It's not like our Lord Jesus was a talking-walking ghost either.
1. What makes a body a "living" body?
2. What makes a body a "dead" body (lacking homeostasis)?
3. What is the difference between "life" and "eternal life?"
In response to your question, the Holy Spirit of God is Who gave Jesus life at conception.
As an adult, the Lord Jesus said, "The Spirit of God is upon me" (Luke 4:18).
Then, on crucifixion day, the Lord Jesus said, "Father, into Your hands I commit my spirit" (Luke 23:46).
In other words, Jesus understands that He has a body and that He has a Spirit. The Lord Jesus understands that His body is about to die, but He understands that the Father can safe-guard the Lord's Spirit as well as resurrect His holy body.
If Jesus thought that His Spirit were about to "die," then it'd be nonsense for the Lord to say "Father, into Your hands I commit my Spirit," wouldn't it?
A body by itself is only DNA replication exponentially into tissue. Human tissue alone cannot atone for our sins, but the physical body of the Lord Jesus is holy, imperatively special.
On the other hand, a spirit without a body cannot be defined in a physical universe. It's not like our Lord Jesus was a talking-walking ghost either.
1. What makes a body a "living" body?
2. What makes a body a "dead" body (lacking homeostasis)?
3. What is the difference between "life" and "eternal life?"
In response to your question, the Holy Spirit of God is Who gave Jesus life at conception.
As an adult, the Lord Jesus said, "The Spirit of God is upon me" (Luke 4:18).
Then, on crucifixion day, the Lord Jesus said, "Father, into Your hands I commit my spirit" (Luke 23:46).
In other words, Jesus understands that He has a body and that He has a Spirit. The Lord Jesus understands that His body is about to die, but He understands that the Father can safe-guard the Lord's Spirit as well as resurrect His holy body.
If Jesus thought that His Spirit were about to "die," then it'd be nonsense for the Lord to say "Father, into Your hands I commit my Spirit," wouldn't it?
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yet your reasoning is flawed. You purposely left out the paradise also called Abraham's bosom, which Christ spoke of. Thus you tainted the end result.
Your problem is the noun form of the word today is used in acts. and is missing in Luke. Thus, since it is missing gin luke, we can not take the noun form. Thus the only concluson we can draw is jesus is not saying, I am telling you today (noun) it does not work. no matter how you slice it, Unless you can find another place where it is used in this way.
Again I disagree. Both the verb and noun forms of today are used in acts. Thus we can logically conclude the first form. as the second would not fit. The second example (comma before today) would destroy the law of language, as the word is in the adverbial form, not the noun form.
To many scholars interpret things which support their belief, thus are biased. We see this in all areas of life. Thus instead of listening to scholars. Listen to what is actually being said.
The dead Knows nothing they are not in a spiritual realm talking to each other etc
Jesus calls death a sleep
think of it as a deep long comma
[h=3]Psalm 6:5[/h]King James Version (KJV)
5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
[h=3]Psalm 115:17[/h]King James Version (KJV)
17 The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
Jesus calls death a sleep
think of it as a deep long comma
[h=3]Psalm 6:5[/h]King James Version (KJV)
5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
[h=3]Psalm 115:17[/h]King James Version (KJV)
17 The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
What is the second death do you know? No you don't. I'll explain. When your soul and your spirit leave your flesh body that is the first death. God says don't fear those that can kill the body, but fear Him who can kill the soul.
When you die the first death your spirit returns to God and your Soul goes to heaven or hell. If it goes to hell that is the second death. It is separation from God. Jesus died the first and the second death because the wages of sin is death.
The Father sent Him to hell. In hell the Soul of Jesus preached the good news of salvation and was given by the Father the power of resurrection which is the keys=power over death. So yes deity died and resurrected by the power of the Word. Sound impossible? With God all things are possible.
When you die the first death your spirit returns to God and your Soul goes to heaven or hell. If it goes to hell that is the second death. It is separation from God. Jesus died the first and the second death because the wages of sin is death.
The Father sent Him to hell. In hell the Soul of Jesus preached the good news of salvation and was given by the Father the power of resurrection which is the keys=power over death. So yes deity died and resurrected by the power of the Word. Sound impossible? With God all things are possible.