For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[just-me]

the "last supper" was not Passover, because when Yahdah the betrayer (Judah Iscariot) went to betray the disciples thought Yahshua sent him to get the things for Passover. Why would they think he was going to get the things for the meal they just finished eating?

And the Passover day is a preperation day, most "high Sabbths" or "Feast Days" are no work days, just worship Yah, but the Passover is a preperation and when the sun goes down on it Feast of Unleavened starts and that is when one eats the meal.

Messiah was killed right when the Passover lambs were being killed, for He is the real Passover Lamb.

Pretty close my friend preparation day (correct me with scripture and my previous post if I am incorrect) was actually the 14th, and Passover was the beginning of the 15th day accordingly, reading Exodus 12. Passover was at night, the darkness that followed the killing of the lamb.

 

[just-me]

Since I was given reason by the Holy Spirit I have know Yeshua, Jesus, is the Passover Lamb of Yahweh. It is difficult for me, sometimes even painful to read or hear people wondering about all of this. Even John the Baptist called Him the Lamb of God.

Now, if He is the Lamb of Yahweh, does it not stand to reason His sacrifice would be sometime during the Passover celebration?

In Egypt (Mizraim) the Children of the demonstration Israel were passed over by the Angel of Death providing they had marked their doorposts and lintles with the blood of the lamb slaughtered for each households' first Passover at the instruction of Yahweh by way of Moses................

That is correct, and God passed over at night which is the beginning of the 15th day according to the Hebrew/Jewish counting of days.
Post# 1358

 

[john832]

Pretty close my friend preparation day (correct me with scripture and my previous post if I am incorrect) was actually the 14th, and Passover was the beginning of the 15th day accordingly, reading Exodus 12. Passover was at night, the darkness that followed the killing of the lamb.

No, Passover is the 14th...

Lev 23:5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the LORD's Passover.

The 15th is the First Day of Unleavened Bread...

Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread.

 

[john832]

That is correct, and God passed over at night which is the beginning of the 15th day according to the Hebrew/Jewish counting of days.
Post# 1358

No, He passed over those who had the blood of the Lamb (this is very symbolic) on the night of the 14th. The fifteenth did not begin until sundown after the daylight portion of the fourteenth.

 

[Isdaniel]

That is correct, and God passed over at night which is the beginning of the 15th day according to the Hebrew/Jewish counting of days.
Post# 1358

Hmm if yu are a sabbath keeper and still getting the 15th as passover something is wrong hmmm
God passed on the 14 th that night which started from sundown 13th at even ,is the 14th or the evening of the 14th then at midnigt on the 14th God passed through the land

 

[Isdaniel]

the 14th starts at sundown 13th
That sundown = the 1st and only even of the 14th
If you are on the 14th and another evening comes at sundown you are going on the 1st and only evening of the 15th

 

[just-me]

No, Passover is the 14th...

Lev 23:5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the LORD's Passover.

The 15th is the First Day of Unleavened Bread...

Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread.

As I mentioned see post # 1358. God passed over at the darkness of night after the lamb was killed.
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[Isdaniel]

As I mentioned see post # 1358. God passed over at the darkness of night after the lamb was killed.
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Which was still on the evening of the 14th

 

[just-me]

the 14th starts at sundown 13th
That sundown = the 1st and only even of the 14th
If you are on the 14th and another evening comes at sundown you are going on the 1st and only evening of the 15th

You are right. Jesus entered Jerusalem on the 10th day which is the same day the Passover lamb was secured. The 14th day is when the Passover lamb was butchered and that is the same day Christ died, that evening the Passover Lamb was eaten, and the same night God passed over to see the blood on the door post.

Exodus 12:12-14 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

 

[john832]

As I mentioned see post # 1358. God passed over at the darkness of night after the lamb was killed.
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Yep, they killed the lamb on the 14th in Ex 12...

Exo 12:6 Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight.

Lev 23:5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the LORD's Passover.

The 15th is a separate Feast Day, it is the First Day of Unleavened Bread.

How do we know?

Christ the true Paschal Lamb was killed on the 14th and at 3pm after having eaten the Passover the evening before. If anyone knew when the Passover was, it was Jesus Christ. He is the One who spoke these words...

Lev 23:4 'These are the feasts of the LORD, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times.
Lev 23:5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the LORD's Passover.

The LORD here is the one who became Jesus Christ.

 

[just-me]

Which was still on the evening of the 14th

The evening starts the next day as mentioned on the site I gave. post # 1358 The falling of night starts the nest day. Are you saying that Jesus was crucified on the 13th? So the question is, did Jesus die a different day than that of the Passover Lamb in Exodus?

 

[john832]

You are right. Jesus entered Jerusalem on the 10th day which is the same day the Passover lamb was secured. The 14th day is when the Passover lamb was butchered and that is the same day Christ died, that evening the Passover Lamb was eaten, and the same night God passed over to see the blood on the door post.

Exodus 12:12-14 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

God passed over on the night of the 14th. This is the night they ate the Passover during the Exodus.

 

[just-me]

Lev 23:5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the LORD's Passover.

Exodus 12:12-15 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

These scriptures agree. God passed over at night, or if you will at twilight.

 

[just-me]

God passed over on the night of the 14th. This is the night they ate the Passover during the Exodus.

If that be the case, then the lamb would have had to be killed on the 13th. see post # 1358 please

Mark 14:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?

This day was the 13th? Or can this be taken another way?

 

[just-me]

Mark 14:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And in the evening he cometh with the twelve.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And as they sat and did eat, Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, One of you which eateth with me shall betray me.

What day was this? it was evening being the beginning of a new day.

 

[just-me]

Mark 15:42-43 (KJV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
[SUP]43 [/SUP]Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.

Mark 14:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And in the evening he cometh with the twelve.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And as they sat and did eat, Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, One of you which eateth with me shall betray me.

John 19:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

John 19:42 (KJV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP]There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.

Matthew 27:62-63 (KJV)
[SUP]62 [/SUP]Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
[SUP]63 [/SUP]Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

OK. The preparation day was the same night as the "last supper." That same evening, Jesus also prayed as we read in John chapter 17 saying "if this cup pass from me." As the sun rose on that same day (nightfall always issuing in the next day) Jesus had been arrested, and tried in a 'kangaroo court.' At 9 AM they hung Him on the cross, and at 3 PM He died. Later on because the Passover drew near, they wanted to make sure He was dead, because they didn't want anybody to be hanging on a cross during the "high day." So Joseph asks to secure His body an bury Him. I find nowhere in scripture that says it was still daylight or twilight when the stone was rolled onto the face of the tomb, but for sure it was very close to nightfall.

According to scripture, knowing that the darkness of night was at the start of a day, and never at the end of that same day, we can conclude that this all took place on the same day, or if you will the same 24 hour period.

Keep in mind that the Passover Lamb in Exodus was killed on the 14th day of the first month.

 

[Hamster]

The trouble is, it doesn't work. This only adds up to three days and two nights, not three days and three nights.
Also, John 20:1
tells us that "on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb."
Did you catch the problem here? John tells us it was still dark when Mary went to the tomb on Sunday morning and found it empty. Jesus was already resurrected well before daybreak. Thus He wasn't in the tomb any of the daylight portion of Sunday, so none of that can be counted as a day.

Isdaniel, you found away to prove three days and three nights with the doctrine of men. It sounds good and convincing, if you know not the truth, but friend, it goes against all the other scriptures.

DId Christ raise the third day, which is the first day of the week? Yes!
Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week.

Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. They prepared the spices before the Sabbath (same Sabbath), and kept the commandment to rest on the Sabbath, Luke 23:56. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Luke 24:17-21 After Jesus had risen from the grave, he appeared to two men that were talking and reasoning together of all the things which had happened. Jesus himself drew near them, but they didn't know him (Their eyes were holden that they should not know him).

Jesus said: What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?

Cleopas, said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?

Jesus said, What things?

They replied to Jesus, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

The scriptures above proves that Jesus died, and raised the third day, which is the first day of the week. Christians are to remember this day every week for the things that He has done for them. Jesus instituted the taken of bread when he ate the last passover meal with his disciples, and by taken bread upon the first day of the week, we show his death until he comes again. 1Cor. 11:23-26 Apostle Paul said, For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

 

[just-me]

Originally Posted by Isdaniel

The trouble is, it doesn't work. This only adds up to three days and two nights, not three days and three nights.
Also, John 20:1
tells us that "on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb."
Did you catch the problem here? John tells us it was still dark when Mary went to the tomb on Sunday morning and found it empty. Jesus was already resurrected well before daybreak. Thus He wasn't in the tomb any of the daylight portion of Sunday, so none of that can be counted as a day.

Isdaniel, you found away to prove three days and three nights with the doctrine of men. It sounds good and convincing, if you know not the truth, but friend, it goes against all the other scriptures.

DId Christ raise the third day, which is the first day of the week? Yes!
Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week.

Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. They prepared the spices before the Sabbath (same Sabbath), and kept the commandment to rest on the Sabbath, Luke 23:56. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Luke 24:17-21 After Jesus had risen from the grave, he appeared to two men that were talking and reasoning together of all the things which had happened. Jesus himself drew near them, but they didn't know him (Their eyes were holden that they should not know him).

Some places in the Bible say after three day such as Matthew 27:63 (KJV)
[SUP]63 [/SUP]Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

Mark 8:31 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

If when Jesus was buried is day one, and the ladies bought spices on day two, then rested according to the commandment on day three, they came to the tomb on day four. There is you three days, and three nights.

 

[Isdaniel]

The question is Sunday the third day from What or Is it indeed the day for what hmmmm

Hmm one simple question if Sundy is the third day

what happen to the other night

3 days and 3 nights hmmmmm okay lets chech as you said

Friday friday night
Saturday day Saturday night hmmm this is interesting
Sunday morning the tomb was empty before sunrise oppps seems that you have to go fight with the scripture again hmmmm

So we have 2days and 2 nights
looks like a day and night is missing do you have it y chance

Lets even put the sunday morning part of a day for you as Sunday day ok hmm lets check

Friday friday night
saturdayday saturday night
Sunday morning = suunday day ooppps

We wil have 3days and 2 nights

Where is the other night my friend

When you get it let me know hmmm

One must do there resarch on the Jewish culture and What was meant by today is the third day hmmm

Nice try though but i have been down this road before hmmm

 

[Isdaniel]

Originally Posted by Isdaniel

The trouble is, it doesn't work. This only adds up to three days and two nights, not three days and three nights.
Also, John 20:1
tells us that "on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb."
Did you catch the problem here? John tells us it was still dark when Mary went to the tomb on Sunday morning and found it empty. Jesus was already resurrected well before daybreak. Thus He wasn't in the tomb any of the daylight portion of Sunday, so none of that can be counted as a day.



Some places in the Bible say after three day such as Matthew 27:63 (KJV)
[SUP]63 [/SUP]Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

Mark 8:31 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

If when Jesus was buried is day one, and the ladies bought spices on day two, then rested according to the commandment on day three, they came to the tomb on day four. There is you three days, and three nights.

I like how you said day four hmmm i wonder what was meant b today is the third day