For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation


  • Total voters
    32
  • Poll closed .
Mar 4, 2013
7,761
107
0
I really like all of you people, so please don't think that I'm trying to anything else except edify. God Bless All.:) If I don't like somebody I just put them on ignore, and then I don't have to contend, with unlearned questions. Again, I respect all that I converse with, and I thank our Father in heaven for your communication.
 
Oct 14, 2013
4,750
21
0
I really like all of you people, so please don't think that I'm trying to anything else except edify. God Bless All.:) If I don't like somebody I just put them on ignore, and then I don't have to contend, with unlearned questions. Again, I respect all that I converse with, and I thank our Father in heaven for your communication.
ithought Jesus said forgive hmmm :) and love everyone hmm even your enemies hmmmmmmmm
 
Mar 4, 2013
7,761
107
0
The question is Sunday the third day from What or Is it indeed the day for what hmmmm

Hmm one simple question if Sundy is the third day

what happen to the other night

3 days and 3 nights hmmmmm okay lets chech as you said

Friday friday night
Saturday day Saturday night hmmm this is interesting
Sunday morning the tomb was empty before sunrise oppps seems that you have to go fight with the scripture again hmmmm

So we have 2days and 2 nights
looks like a day and night is missing do you have it y chance

Lets even put the sunday morning part of a day for you as Sunday day ok hmm lets check

Friday friday night
saturdayday saturday night
Sunday morning = suunday day ooppps

We wil have 3days and 2 nights

Where is the other night my friend

When you get it let me know hmmm

One must do there resarch on the Jewish culture and What was meant by today is the third day hmmm

Nice try though but i have been down this road before hmmm
Instead of calling the days according to the Gregorian calendar, let's just arbitrarily say Christ is buried day 1, the women prepared spices on day 2, and rested on day 3. Then they came to the tomb on day 4 to anoint the body of Jesus. We can call them Thursday, Friday,Saturday, and Sunday, whatever days you prefer. could be like days 5-6-7-and 8
 
Last edited:

john832

Senior Member
May 31, 2013
11,389
193
63
If that be the case, then the lamb would have had to be killed on the 13th. see post # 1358 please

Mark 14:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?

This day was the 13th? Or can this be taken another way?
You are confusing what the Jews did in 31AD with what Israel did in 1444BC (or 1487BC or whatever the date is for the Exodus). They killed the Lamb just after sunset on the 14th in the time we call twilight (the sun is down but it is still light).

Remember this is a one-off event. Israel has been delivered from Egypt just once until now.

The Jews ate the Passover on the evening of the 15th in 31AD. Were they correct here? No! Had they been, Christ and the Twelve would not have eaten it the evening before. Christ knew when to eat the Passover and He did so right after sunset on the 14th, not the 15th.
 
Mar 4, 2013
7,761
107
0
ithought Jesus said forgive hmmm :) and love everyone hmm even your enemies hmmmmmmmm
Following suit, He said love one another as I have loved you. You'll take it, and you'll like it. :DHe also said to obey His commandments, and this is my command. So there!:eek::D
 

john832

Senior Member
May 31, 2013
11,389
193
63
Isdaniel, you found away to prove three days and three nights with the doctrine of men. It sounds good and convincing, if you know not the truth, but friend, it goes against all the other scriptures.

DId Christ raise the third day, which is the first day of the week? Yes!
Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week.

Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. They prepared the spices before the Sabbath (same Sabbath), and kept the commandment to rest on the Sabbath, Luke 23:56. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Luke 24:17-21 After Jesus had risen from the grave, he appeared to two men that were talking and reasoning together of all the things which had happened. Jesus himself drew near them, but they didn't know him (Their eyes were holden that they should not know him).

Jesus said: What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?

Cleopas, said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?

Jesus said, What things?

They replied to Jesus, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

The scriptures above proves that Jesus died, and raised the third day, which is the first day of the week. Christians are to remember this day every week for the things that He has done for them. Jesus instituted the taken of bread when he ate the last passover meal with his disciples, and by taken bread upon the first day of the week, we show his death until he comes again. 1Cor. 11:23-26 Apostle Paul said, For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

I proved it with scripture but you still hold to the doctrines of men.
 

john832

Senior Member
May 31, 2013
11,389
193
63
Mark 14:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And in the evening he cometh with the twelve.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And as they sat and did eat, Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, One of you which eateth with me shall betray me.

What day was this? it was evening being the beginning of a new day.
It was the evening of the 14th after sunset. That is when they ate the Passover. That is when we take the Passover with the N.T. Symbols today.
 
Mar 4, 2013
7,761
107
0
It was the evening of the 14th after sunset. That is when they ate the Passover. That is when we take the Passover with the N.T. Symbols today.
are you referring to the beginning of the day 14, or the end of day 14?

You are confusing what the Jews did in 31AD with what Israel did in 1444BC (or 1487BC or whatever the date is for the Exodus). They killed the Lamb just after sunset on the 14th in the time we call twilight (the sun is down but it is still light).

Remember this is a one-off event. Israel has been delivered from Egypt just once until now.

The Jews ate the Passover on the evening of the 15th in 31AD. Were they correct here? No! Had they been, Christ and the Twelve would not have eaten it the evening before. Christ knew when to eat the Passover and He did so right after sunset on the 14th, not the 15th.
So is the day of preparation the 13th 14th or 15th? And which day was our Lord killed? Was it different than the Passover Lamb, and did God Passover at night during the following day. I'm somewhat confused as you can see. LOL
 
Last edited:

john832

Senior Member
May 31, 2013
11,389
193
63
Mark 15:42-43 (KJV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
[SUP]43 [/SUP]Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.

Mark 14:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And in the evening he cometh with the twelve.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And as they sat and did eat, Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, One of you which eateth with me shall betray me.

John 19:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

John 19:42 (KJV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP]There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.

Matthew 27:62-63 (KJV)
[SUP]62 [/SUP]Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
[SUP]63 [/SUP]Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

OK. The preparation day was the same night as the "last supper." That same evening, Jesus also prayed as we read in John chapter 17 saying "if this cup pass from me." As the sun rose on that same day (nightfall always issuing in the next day) Jesus had been arrested, and tried in a 'kangaroo court.' At 9 AM they hung Him on the cross, and at 3 PM He died. Later on because the Passover drew near,
No, the Sabbath, the First Day of Unleavened Bread, drew near...

Mar 15:42 Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath,
Mar 15:43 Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, coming and taking courage, went in to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.
Mar 15:44 Pilate marveled that He was already dead; and summoning the centurion, he asked him if He had been dead for some time.


they wanted to make sure He was dead, because they didn't want anybody to be hanging on a cross during the "high day." So Joseph asks to secure His body an bury Him. I find nowhere in scripture that says it was still daylight or twilight when the stone was rolled onto the face of the tomb, but for sure it was very close to nightfall.
The Passover itself, is not a high day. The high day is the First Dayof Unleavened Bread, the say after the Passover.

According to scripture, knowing that the darkness of night was at the start of a day, and never at the end of that same day, we can conclude that this all took place on the same day, or if you will the same 24 hour period.

Keep in mind that the Passover Lamb in Exodus was killed on the 14th day of the first month.
So was Christ.
 
Oct 14, 2013
4,750
21
0
hmm lets dance shall we hmm my little head is swellin hmm well Jesus said be patience

I have some questions for all who say it was not on a saturday

please answer these thank you

How many women came to tomb at once and Why you say that answerer ?

The question might sound silly but believe me it is important .
 
Oct 14, 2013
4,750
21
0
No, the Sabbath, the First Day of Unleavened Bread, drew near...

Mar 15:42 Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath,
Mar 15:43 Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, coming and taking courage, went in to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.
Mar 15:44 Pilate marveled that He was already dead; and summoning the centurion, he asked him if He had been dead for some time.




The Passover itself, is not a high day. The high day is the First Dayof Unleavened Bread, the say after the Passover.



So was Christ.
hmm this person is a sabbath keeper and still hold on to this 15th is passover hmm well
 
Mar 4, 2013
7,761
107
0
Christ knew when to eat the Passover and He did so right after sunset on the 14th, not the 15th.
After sunset of the 14th is actually the 15th according to Hebrew calculations of days and nights. Let's get into the feast of unleavened bread atfer we settle this thing. I agree that the feast of 7 weeks also started on the day after Passover.
 
Last edited:

john832

Senior Member
May 31, 2013
11,389
193
63
Isdaniel, you found away to prove three days and three nights with the doctrine of men. It sounds good and convincing, if you know not the truth, but friend, it goes against all the other scriptures.

DId Christ raise the third day, which is the first day of the week? Yes!
Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week.
It does not say "was rising" it says "was risen" past tense.

Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. They prepared the spices before the Sabbath (same Sabbath), and kept the commandment to rest on the Sabbath, Luke 23:56. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.


And what did they find? Did they see Him rising? NO, HE WAS ALREADY GONE...

Joh 20:1 Now the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.
Joh 20:2 Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, "They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him."

It was STILL DARK and He was NOT THERE! HE WAS ALREADY GONE.


Luke 24:17-21 After Jesus had risen from the grave,
HAD RISEN, PAST TENSE, OVER AND DONE.

he appeared to two men that were talking and reasoning together of all the things which had happened. Jesus himself drew near them, but they didn't know him (Their eyes were holden that they should not know him).

Jesus said: What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?

Cleopas, said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?

Jesus said, What things?

They replied to Jesus, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

The scriptures above proves that Jesus died, and raised the third day, which is the first day of the week.
What it proves is that Greg King was right...

"Don’t argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience".

Christians are to remember this day every week for the things that He has done for them. Jesus instituted the taken of bread when he ate the last passover meal with his disciples, and by taken bread upon the first day of the week, we show his death until he comes again. 1Cor. 11:23-26 Apostle Paul said, For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Now please, in simple terms, show me three days of twelve hours and three nights of twelve hours from Friday sunset to Sunday morning before dawn.
 

john832

Senior Member
May 31, 2013
11,389
193
63
I really like all of you people, so please don't think that I'm trying to anything else except edify. God Bless All.:) If I don't like somebody I just put them on ignore, and then I don't have to contend, with unlearned questions. Again, I respect all that I converse with, and I thank our Father in heaven for your communication.
I understand that we are having an edifying conversation here. I am simply trying to help anyone sincerely interested in learning the truth about three days and three nights.
 

john832

Senior Member
May 31, 2013
11,389
193
63
are you referring to the beginning of the day 14, or the end of day 14?


The beginning of the day of the 14th. Just after sunset.

So is the day of preparation the 13th 14th or 15th? And which day was our Lord killed? Was it different than the Passover Lamb, and did God Passover at night during the following day. I'm somewhat confused as you can see. LOL
The preparation day for the First Day of Unleavened Bread is the 14th, the Passover itself. The 15th is the Sabbath, the high day, the First Day of Unleavened Bread.
 
Last edited:
Mar 4, 2013
7,761
107
0
Now please, in simple terms, show me three days of twelve hours and three nights of twelve hours from Friday sunset to Sunday morning before dawn.
I explain the 3 days and 3 nights to Hamster on post #1378
 

john832

Senior Member
May 31, 2013
11,389
193
63
After sunset of the 14th is actually the 15th according to Hebrew calculations of days and nights. Let's get into the feast of unleavened bread atfer we settle this thing. I agree that the feast of 7 weeks also started on the day after Passover.
But after sunset ON the 14th is just the beginning of the 14th.
 
Mar 4, 2013
7,761
107
0
[/FONT]
The beginning of the day of the 14th. Just after sunset.



The preparation day for the First Day of Unleavened Bread is the 14th, the Passover itself. The 15th is the Sabbath, the high day, the First Day of Unleavened Bread.
I agree that preparation day is the 14th, do you agree that the the next day starts at twilight of the previous day, and that there is no night that follows the same day according to Hebrew days? Was the last supper eaten the day before Jesus was killed in your opinion? I also agree that the 15th is the annual Sabbath
 
Last edited: