For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[just-me]

But after sunset ON the 14th is just the beginning of the 14th.

No, not according to the Hebrew calculations. That's where we are coming to an impasse. There is no night following the same day. Night is the beginning of a new day.
This site helped me with understanding the Bible nights and days according to ancient scripts.

Jewish Time
In Jewish time, the day begins with the onset of night (the appearance of the stars) followed by the morning (which technically begins with the appearance of the North Star). According to some Jewish teachers, night and morning begin with sunset and sunrise respectively. For that is how the Torah describes it: “And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.”
For this reason, the Sabbath begins on Friday night and ends with the appearance of the stars on Saturday night. The same is true for the major holidays such as Passover, Sukkot, Shavuot, Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, the fast day of Tisha B’Av, and Hanukkah and Purim.
Beginning the day with the night is, in a sense, a metaphor of life itself. Life begins in the darkness of the womb, then bursts into the brightness of the light and eventually settles into the darkness of the grave, which, in turn, is followed by a new dawn in the world-to-come.
Life consists of light and dark: “And there was evening and there was morning.” What we make of time is what counts.

With this in mind we can understand in Exodus chapter 12 that the Passover was eaten on day 15 at night when God passed over to check out the blood on the door posts. The preparation day then was actually the same day Jesus was crucified. The "high day" was when he was in the tomb for the first day.

 

[john832]

The day begins at even (sunset). Christ and the disciples ate the Passover just after sunset at the beginning of the 14th. He was crucifed at 9am the next morning, still on the Passover, the 14th. He died at about 3:00pm on the 14th, the Passover and was buried at/about sunset between the 14th and the 15th. The 15th is not the Passover, it is the First Day of Unleavened Bread.

 

[Isdaniel]

To Hamster
I have some questions for all who say it was not on a saturday



How many women came to tomb at once and Why you say that answer ?

The question might sound silly but believe me it is important

 

[just-me]

The day begins at even (sunset). Christ and the disciples ate the Passover just after sunset at the beginning of the 14th. He was crucifed at 9am the next morning, still on the Passover, the 14th. He died at about 3:00pm on the 14th, the Passover and was buried at/about sunset between the 14th and the 15th. The 15th is not the Passover, it is the First Day of Unleavened Bread.

The lamb was slain on the 14th. If the beginning of the next day started at twilight, as you have said, and I agree with that, then God passed over after the lamb was killed. That would have been beginning of the 15th day. I'll come back later. have to go to the store. With that said the first day of unleavened bread was the 16th, and in order to come to 50 days one has to add the Passover day.

 

[Isdaniel]

No, not according to the Hebrew calculations. That's where we are coming to an impasse. There is no night following the same day. Night is the beginning of a new day.
This site helped me with understanding the Bible nights and days according to ancient scripts.

Jewish Time
In Jewish time, the day begins with the onset of night (the appearance of the stars) followed by the morning (which technically begins with the appearance of the North Star). According to some Jewish teachers, night and morning begin with sunset and sunrise respectively. For that is how the Torah describes it: “And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.”
For this reason, the Sabbath begins on Friday night and ends with the appearance of the stars on Saturday night. The same is true for the major holidays such as Passover, Sukkot, Shavuot, Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, the fast day of Tisha B’Av, and Hanukkah and Purim.
Beginning the day with the night is, in a sense, a metaphor of life itself. Life begins in the darkness of the womb, then bursts into the brightness of the light and eventually settles into the darkness of the grave, which, in turn, is followed by a new dawn in the world-to-come.
Life consists of light and dark: “And there was evening and there was morning.” What we make of time is what counts.

With this in mind we can understand in Exodus chapter 12 that the Passover was eaten on day 15 at night when God passed over to check out the blood on the door posts. The preparation day then was actually the same day Jesus was crucified. The "high day" was when he was in the tomb for the first day.

the Lord passed on the 14th

 

[just-me]

the Lord passed on the 14th

He couldn't have, for it was at night after the lamb was killed on the 14th which started the next day. Passover Day the 15th.

Exodus 12:12-13 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

 

[john832]

This one that Isdaniel posted is the correct construction of the events of the Passover week...

 

[john832]

He couldn't have, for it was at night after the lamb was killed on the 14th which started the next day. Passover Day the 15th.

OK, if Passover is on the fifteenth, what does this mean?


Lev 23:5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the LORD's Passover.

 

[just-me]

Jesus did not resurrect from the dead during the light of day. Soldiers were watch the tomb.

 

[john832]

Jesus did not resurrect from the dead during the light of day. Soldiers were watch the tomb.

He was resurrected at/about sunset, 72 hours after He was put into the tomb.

 

[Isdaniel]

sundown 9th =10th day lamb taken
sundown 10th = 11th
sundown 11th =12th
sundown 12th =13th
sundown 13th = 14th or evening of the 14th

sundown 14th goes into the 15th or evening of the 15th
[h=3]Exodus 12:6[/h]King James Version (KJV)

6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the wholeassembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.


Keep it up until the 14th day at evening
When does the 14th day at evening starts the 13th day at sundown or evening bring the beginning of the 14th day or dark part or evening

 

[Isdaniel]

Jesus did not resurrect from the dead during the light of day. Soldiers were watch the tomb.

Was Jesus put in the tomb at the light part of the day ?

 

[just-me]

OK, if Passover is on the fifteenth, what does this mean?


Lev 23:5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the LORD's Passover.

This means the end of the day that ushers in tomorrow. This is denoting the finishing of the day, and defining a new day. I'll be back, this is interesting to say the least. May God bless all.

 

[john832]

This means the end of the day that ushers in tomorrow. This is denoting the finishing of the day, and defining a new day.

No, twilight occurs AFTER sunset. It is the period of light between the sun setting and dark.

 

[Isdaniel]

He couldn't have, for it was at night after the lamb was killed on the 14th which started the next day. Passover Day the 15th.

Exodus 12:12-13 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

The lamb was killed at 13th at sundown which signals the begining of the 14th the dark part at evening
twilight God passed that same evening or night on the 14th at midnight
then morning would have come we are in the light or day part of the 14th going towards sunset or lets just say 6 pm would be the 15th at evening
The was already kiled and eaten on the 14th not to let anything remain until morning

 

[Isdaniel]

Let us now put these conclusions in
simple order. Jesus was crucified on Passover day (the 14th of Abib) and was buried as the “high day” sabbath (the 15th of Abib) “drew on”. (See John 19:31 and John 19:14 and 42, and Luke 23:50-54). When that high day “sabbath was past” the women bought and prepared the spices. (Compare Mark 16:1 with Luke 23:56, first clause).

Thus, the spices were boughton the 16th of Abib. This was followed
by the 17th of Abib, which was "the sabbath day according to the commandment," on which the women
rested.

"In the end of" this, the two Marys came to see the sepulchre and found that Jesus had risen. (Compare Luke 23:56, last clause, with Matthew 28:1-6.) Therefore, as the 17th of Abib was "the sabbath day according to the commandment", now called Saturday; the 16th of Abib (when the spices were bought) was Friday; the 15th of Abib (the high day sabbath) was Thursday; and the 14th of Abib (Passover day) was Wednesday.

Jesus,therefore, was buried in the end of Wednesday, as Thursday, the "high day" sabbath drew on, and rose in the end of Saturday, the 7th day, as the first day also drew on, having been in the tomb exactly three days and three nights, or seventy-two hours. The four gospels, therefore, are in complete harmony on the question of the three days and three nights, and Mark and Luke are in perfect accord as to when the spiceswere bought.

 

[Isdaniel]

A few remarks are now necessary with reference to the word “dawn” found in Matthew 28:1. It says, "In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn Sabbath ends at sunset (“even,” Leviticus 23:32), but "dawn" here is near sunrise man say --just the very opposite. An average period of twelve hours forever separates them.
Furthermore, the phrase, “In the end... as it began” will not permit any period intervening, much less twelve hours. There is also something further to notice: "as it began to dawn toward the first day", is clear evidence that the first day had not even commenced. “Toward” a day is not “on” it. What shall we do with it then? Just this: substitute the words “drew on,” or “approached,” for the word “dawn” as the same Greek word (epiphoskouse) is translated in Luke 23:54, and you get not only sense, but harmony, for, as the end of the Sabbath approaches, the first day of the week naturally “draws on.”

 

[just-me]

During the time of the Temple, zman shechitat korban Pesach (the time of the slaughter of the Passover lambs) was performed during the afternoon hours of Nisan 14, in observance of the commandment: "In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, between the evenings (i.e., bein ha-arbayim: בֵּין הָעַרְבָּיִם), is the Passover for the LORD" (Lev. 23:5). Note that the time of the lamb's sacrifice is described as "bein ha-arbayim," usually translated as "between the evenings" or "between the settings." To the sages, the "first setting" of the Sun occurred at the beginning of its descent after noon, and the "second setting" referred to sundown or twilight. Hence "bein ha-arbayim" would mean sometime after noon but before twilight, or more simply, "the afternoon."

The sacrifice of the Passover lambs on the afternoon of Nisan 14 agrees with Jewish Oral Law and tradition. As Maimonides wrote, "It is a positive commandment to slaughter the Korban Pesach on the fourteenth of Nisan after midday" (Hilchot Korban Pesach). There is some discussion among the sages, however, as to whether the sacrifice of the korban Pesach occurred before or after the second set of tamid (daily) offerings made at the Temple (Exod. 29:38-42, Num. 28:1-8). In general, however, most of the sages agreed with Maimonides who clearly stated: "The Korban Pesach is not slaughtered until after the Tamid of the afternoon." In other words, the slaughter of the Passover lambs occurred on the late afternoon of Nisan 14.

Note that though the sacrifice of the Passover lamb occurred on the afternoon Nisan 14, the ceremonial eating of the meal, or the "seder," would begin later, just before sundown and continue throughout the night. This agrees with Exod. 12:8 which states clearly that the Passover meal was consumed during the night: "They shall eat the flesh [of the Pascal lamb] that night" (i.e., ba-lailah hazeh: בַּלַּיְלָה הַזֶּה). And since the Jewish day begins after sundown (when three stars are visible in the night sky), the traditional Passover Seder would begin just before sundown on Nisan 14 but would continue into the new day of Nisan 15, which is also the start of the seven-day festival of chag ha-matzot (חַג הַמַּצּוֹת), the "Feast of Unleavened Bread" (Lev. 23:6).

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[TD="class: TextObject, width: 568, colspan: 5"]Today the traditional Passover Seder begins on "Erev Pesach," meaning just before sundown on Nisan 14 and running into the first hours of Nisan 15 (outside of Israel a second seder is often held the following evening as well). The date of Passover can be somewhat confusing if you look at a Jewish calendar to see it listed simply as "Nisan 15." Again we must remember that the Jewish day begins on the night before it is listed on the calendar. For example, if the calendar says that March 30th is Nisan 15 (i.e., Passover), then you must understand that Nisan 15 actually begins at sundown on the night before,i.e., on March 29th:

Unfortunately, most Jewish calendars refer to the previous evening as "Erev Pesach" without indicating that the first "day" of Passover spans the end of Nisan 14 and carries over to Nisan 15.

In answer to our original question, then, (i.e., "Does Passover begin on Nisan 14 or Nisan 15?"), the answer is that while the Passover sacrifice was made on the afternoon of the 14th, the Passover Seder will span both the 14th and 15th! I realize all this might be a bit confusing, but it's just the way the Jewish calendar works!


Addendum:When does Passover begin?The important point in all of this, of course, is that Yeshua the is the "Lamb of God" who was sacrificed and raised from the dead according to the Scriptures (1 Cor. 15:3-5). As for the precise calculations involved in all this, including the time of His early Seder with His disciples, the exact hours of His crucifixion, and so on, there are numerous questions, though I completely trust that Yeshua 100% fulfilled the types and prophecies concerning the meaning of the Passover.
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[john832]

During the time of the Temple, zman shechitat korban Pesach (the time of the slaughter of the Passover lambs) was performed during the afternoon hours of Nisan 14, in observance of the commandment: "In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, between the evenings (i.e., bein ha-arbayim: בֵּין הָעַרְבָּיִם), is the Passover for the LORD" (Lev. 23:5). Note that the time of the lamb's sacrifice is described as "bein ha-arbayim," usually translated as "between the evenings" or "between the settings." To the sages, the "first setting" of the Sun occurred at the beginning of its descent after noon, and the "second setting" referred to sundown or twilight. Hence "bein ha-arbayim" would mean sometime after noon but before twilight, or more simply, "the afternoon."

The sacrifice of the Passover lambs on the afternoon of Nisan 14 agrees with Jewish Oral Law and tradition. As Maimonides wrote, "It is a positive commandment to slaughter the Korban Pesach on the fourteenth of Nisan after midday" (Hilchot Korban Pesach). There is some discussion among the sages, however, as to whether the sacrifice of the korban Pesach occurred before or after the second set of tamid (daily) offerings made at the Temple (Exod. 29:38-42, Num. 28:1-8). In general, however, most of the sages agreed with Maimonides who clearly stated: "The Korban Pesach is not slaughtered until after the Tamid of the afternoon." In other words, the slaughter of the Passover lambs occurred on the late afternoon of Nisan 14.

Note that though the sacrifice of the Passover lamb occurred on the afternoon Nisan 14, the ceremonial eating of the meal, or the "seder," would begin later, just before sundown and continue throughout the night. This agrees with Exod. 12:8 which states clearly that the Passover meal was consumed during the night: "They shall eat the flesh [of the Pascal lamb] that night" (i.e., ba-lailah hazeh: בַּלַּיְלָה הַזֶּה). And since the Jewish day begins after sundown (when three stars are visible in the night sky), the traditional Passover Seder would begin just before sundown on Nisan 14 but would continue into the new day of Nisan 15, which is also the start of the seven-day festival of chag ha-matzot (חַג הַמַּצּוֹת), the "Feast of Unleavened Bread" (Lev. 23:6).

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Unfortunately, most Jewish calendars refer to the previous evening as "Erev Pesach" without indicating that the first "day" of Passover spans the end of Nisan 14 and carries over to Nisan 15.

In answer to our original question, then, (i.e., "Does Passover begin on Nisan 14 or Nisan 15?"), the answer is that while the Passover sacrifice was made on the afternoon of the 14th, the Passover Seder will span both the 14th and 15th! I realize all this might be a bit confusing, but it's just the way the Jewish calendar works!


Addendum:When does Passover begin?The important point in all of this, of course, is that Yeshua the is the "Lamb of God" who was sacrificed and raised from the dead according to the Scriptures (1 Cor. 15:3-5). As for the precise calculations involved in all this, including the time of His early Seder with His disciples, the exact hours of His crucifixion, and so on, there are numerous questions, though I completely trust that Yeshua 100% fulfilled the types and prophecies concerning the meaning of the Passover.
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You are taking the Jews for the authority. What did Christ say the Jews of His day taught?

Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

They did not and do not recognize that Christ was the true Passover and He ate the Passover with His disciples just after sunset on the 14th...

Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

He suffered the next day, still on the 14th. He died at about 3:00pm on the 14th. He had already eaten the Passover and instituted the N.T. symbols for the Passover the evening before, still on the 14th.

Now it comes down to a choice: Christ and the disciples on the 14th or the Jews on the 15th. Up to you.

 

[stonesoffire]

Gal 4:9
But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Gal 4:10
Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
Gal 4:11
I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.