What Laws are still valid to christians

[john832]

Are you just trying to avoid valid points made by throwing up a distraction like you usually do? That article doesn't really tell me anything. Strong's is a concordance, i.e., a list that indexes every word in the bible based on its root. Are you trying to suggest that it is in any way comparable to lexicons that analyze a word in detail? The entry for G5056 (telos) in one lexicon that I have consists of nearly 4000 words; and the following list shows how thoroughly the word is analyzed in it:

A. The Understanding of the Term in the Greek World.
B. τέλος in the Septuagint.
C. The End in Jewish Apocalyptic.
D. τέλος in the New Testament.
E. The Usage of the Post-Apostolic Fathers.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance contains Hebrew and Greek lexicons.

 

[john832]

Did you not read the article? Strong's is not a dictionary; it is an index.

Since you don't like Strong's, how about Thayers?

G5056​

τέλος
telos
Thayer Definition:
1) end
1a) termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be (always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end of a period of time)
1b) the end
1b1) the last in any succession or series
1b2) eternal
1c) that by which a thing is finished, its close, issue
1d) the end to which all things relate, the aim, purpose
2) toll, custom (i.e. indirect tax on goods)
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)
Citing in TDNT: 8:49, 1161

 

[john832]

Edit - this is the same old thing.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Since you don't like Strong's, how about Thayers?

G5056​

τέλος
telos
Thayer Definition:
1) end
1a) termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be (always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end of a period of time)
1b) the end
1b1) the last in any succession or series
1b2) eternal
1c) that by which a thing is finished, its close, issue
1d) the end to which all things relate, the aim, purpose
2) toll, custom (i.e. indirect tax on goods)
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)
Citing in TDNT: 8:49, 1161

I love Strong's for what it's useful for. Thayer's is great.

τέλος, -ους, τό, [cf. Curtius § 238], fr. Hom. down, Sept. mostly for קֵין;
1. end, i. e.
a. termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be, (in the Grk. writ. always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end of a period of time, which they call τελεὐτή; in the Scriptures also of a temporal end; an end in space is everywhere called πέρας; cf. Schmidt ch. 193 esp. §§ 3 and 9): τῆς βασιλείας, Lk. 1:33; ζωῆς, Heb. 7:3; τοῦ καταργουμένου, 2 Co. 3:13; τὰ τέλη τῶν αἰώνων, 1 Co. 10:11 (τέλος τῶν ἡμερῶν, Neh. 13:6; τῶν ἑπτὰ ἐτῶν, 2 K. 8:3; ἀρχὴ καὶ τέλος καὶ μεσότης χρόνων, p 620 Sap. 7:18); i. q. he who puts an end to: τέλος νόμου Χριστός, Christ has brought the law to an end (πᾶσίν ἐστιν ἀνθρώποις τέλος τοῦ βίου θάνατος, Dem. 1306, 25), Ro. 10:4; cf. Fritzsche ad loc., vol. ii. p. 377 sq. πάντων τὸ τέλος, the end of all things (i. e. of the present order of things), 1 Pet. 4:7; also in the phrases ἕως τέλους, 1 Co. 1:8; 2 Co. 1:13; μέχρι τέλους, Heb. 3:6 [Tr mrg. WH br. the 150.], 14; ἄχρι τέλους, Heb. 6:14; Rev. 2:26. What ‘end’ is intended the reader must determine by the context; thus, τὸ τέλος denotes the end of the Messianic pangs (dolores Messiae; see ὠδίν) in Mt. 24:6, 14, (opp. to ἀρχὴ ὠδίνων); Mk. 13:7 (cf. 9); Lk. 21:9; τὸ τέλος in 1 Co. 15:24 denotes either the end of the eschatological events, or the end of the resurrection i. e. the last or third act of the resurrection (to include those who had not belonged to the number of οἱ τοῦ Χριστοῦ ἐν τῇ παρουσίᾳ αὐτοῦ), 1 Co. 15:24 cf. 23; see De Wette ad loc.; Weizel in the Theol. Stud. u. Krit. for 1836, p. 978; Grimm in the Zeitschr. f. wissensch. Theol. for 1873, p. 388 sqq.; [yet cf. Heinrici in Meyer (6tc Aufl.) ad loc.]. εἰς τέλος,—to the very end appointed for these evils, Mt. 10:22; 24:13; Mk. 13:13; also at the end, at last, finally, Lk. 18:5 (Vulg. in novissimo) [i. e. lest at last by her coming she wear me out; but al. take it i. q. Hebr. לָנֶצַח (cf. Job 14:20 etc. see Trommius) and connect it with the ptcp., lest by her coming to the last i. e. continually; see ὑπωπιάζω, sub fin.]; Jn. 13:1 [al. to the uttermost, completely (cf. our to the very last); see Westcott, and Weiss (in Meyer 6tc Aufl.) ad loc.; Grimm on 2 Macc. 8:29], cf. ἀγαπάω, sub fin., (Xen. oec. 17, 10; Hes. opp. 292; Hdt. 3, 40; 9, 37; Soph. Phil. 409; Eur. Ion 1615; Ael. v. h. 10, 16); to the (procurement of their) end, i. e. to destruction [A. V. to the uttermost (cf. reff. u. s.)], 1 Th. 2:16 (for לִבָלָה, 2 Chr. 12:12); τέλος ἔχειν, to have an end, be finished, (often in Grk. writ.), Lk. 22:37 [al. give τέλος here the sense of fulfilment (cf. τελέω, 2)]; i. q. to perish, Mk. 3:26. τὸ δὲ τέλος, adverbially, finally (denique vero): 1 Pet. 3:8 (Plat. legg. 6 p. 768 b.; καὶ τό γε τέλος, ibid. 5 p. 740 e.; but generally in prof. auth. τέλος in this sense wants the article; cf. Passow ii. p. 1857a; [L. and S. s. v. I. 4 a.]).
b. the end i. e. the last in any succession or series: (ἡ) ἀρχὴ καὶ (τὸ) τέλος, of God, who by his perpetuity survives all things, i. e. eternal, Rev. 1:8 Rec.; 21:6; 22:13.
c. that by which, a thing is finished, its close, issue: Mt. 26:58; final lot, fate, as if a recompense: with a gen. of the thing, Ro. 6:21 sq.; Heb. 6:8; 1 Pet. 1:9; with a gen. of the person whom the destiny befalls, 2 Co. 11:15; Phil. 3:19; 1 Pet. 4:17; τοῦ κυρίου (gen. of author), the closing experience which befell Job by God’s command, Jas. 5:11 (referring to Job 42. [esp. 12]).
d. the end to which all things relate, the aim, purpose: 1 Tim. 1:5 (often so in philos. fr. Plat. de rep. 6 p. 494 a. down; cf. Fritzsche on Rom. 2 p. 378).
2. toll, custom, [i. e. an indirect tax on goods; see φόρος and κῆνσος]: Mt. 17:25; Ro. 13:7, (Xen., Plat., Polyb., Aeschin., Dem., al.: 1 Macc 10:31; 11:35).*

 

[daughteroflight]

1 Cor.2
[11] For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
even so the things of GOD no man knows, but the Spirit of GOD.
[12] Now we (Apostles) have received, not the spirit of the world,
but the Spirit of GOD
so that we might know the things that are freely/ libearlly given to us of/ by GOD.
[13] Which things also we speak (about)
not in the (literal) words which man's wisdom teaches,
but which the Holy Ghost (spiritually) teaches;
comparing spiritual things with spiritual (things).
[14] But the (non spiritual) natural man receives (accepts) not the things of the Spirit of GOD:
for they are >> foolishness unto him:
neither can he know them, because they are >> spiritually discerned.


Acts.13
[44] And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the Word of GOD.
[45] But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy,
and spake against those things which were spoken by (Our Teacher) Paul,
contradicting and blaspheming.
[46] Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said:
It was necessary that the Word of GOD should >> first have been spoken to you:
but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life,
lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

 

[homwardbound]

Thanks for that Sis awesomely brought forth

 

[Hoffco]

The Bible is very simple to understand,if we remember,words need context to talk. Telos= end, goal, purpose. a definite point, conclusion, termination. (Strongs,5056-pg90 Gk. dict.) Now, what is the context of Rom.10:4 ? The Jews were trying to gain right standing before God by law keeping, not by faith in God-Jesus. This is wrong, we are sinners, we brakes ( and/or munipulate) God's law, no one can be saved by"works alone". Now, what is the whole context? the book of Romans and the whole Bible. SO, look at Rom.7:10-14 "the commandment"..."the law"...is holy,just, good" "I am carnal" Rom. 3:31 "through faith"..."we establish the law" Rom.2:13 "but the doers of the law will be justified" Mt.7:23 "depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness." James 2:24 "a man is justified by words, and not by faith only." Psa.119:97 "oh how love I your law" . NOW, Tell me , we do away with God's holy laws and live by "faith only" and I will tell you, you lie, and don't know the Truth. Lets stop glorifing faith only OR works only, and start telling the whoe truth of, Grace, faith and works. Therefore, "the end, goal, purpose of the law is Christ for our righteousness," The law sends us to Christ for our perfect righteousness, by faith; and Christ sends us back to the moral laws as our standard of righteousness, by works. love to all, Hoffco

 

[homwardbound]

Hoffco, God just loves you, and all for he:

1 John 2:2 and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

 

[Hoffco]

As I said on "What is dispensationalism" ,the Bibe is full of "dialectic" thinking; when we fail to see this two sided "dialogue" of God, we fail to get God's message clear. We will not accept the "pure" words of God; and we judge God's word instead of proclaiming it. Therefore before we open our mouths we need a spiritual " dialysis" of our thoughts, so the garbage is filtered out before we speak, then we will speak the pure word's of God. This is as many pastors say, the truth has many side,like a rare diamond. If and when you are uncomfortable with a passage in God's word, that is when you need to STOP, and say why, am not comfortable with this word of God? what am I missing in my thinking? How do i need to adjust my thinking to be comfortable with this passage? The evil psycology of the world would have us be true to our feelings, to "acuate" your true self; but this is mostly of the devil, we must be controled by the Word of God ,not by our feelings.I have very strong emotions as I preach God's Word and many Christian reject me for my condemnation of everyday herecys in the churches; but, I cannot help that, I have to be true to the Word. My big problem is, I have been rejected all my life and now my anger is getting out of control. I have never hurt anyone physically, but I have riped into, insulted many, by returning anger for anger. Please pray for me. I may have to leave the Philippines because of this. Love to all Hoffco

 

[homwardbound]

Hoffco God just love you it is not conditional God through Son went to the Cross for you to restore you,that is the Love and Mercy of God that this world can't understand
love you' God's way 1 COR. 13, verse 4-13

 

[Hoffco]

We must keep in mind ,the love of God in Jh.316 has unconditionally has provided salvation for all; But only those who will meet the CONDITIONS of Repent, trust and obey, Jesus as lord and Savior, only they will be saved. Jh.3:21 tell us ,no one will repent, trust and obey "do good deeds" without the Holy Spirit's "new Birth " "IN GOD" . Salvation is conditioned upon our repenting, trusting and obeying Jesus and NO SINNER,can do that by his own "free will", it takes the GRACE of GOD. Believers will be saved IF they commit, lock stock and barrow to Jesus only. Only God's power and love an convert the sinner. Hoffco

 

[Hoffco]

The GRACE of GOD is: God's Regeneration At Christ's Energizing
" " " " " : God's Riches At Christ's Expense
Both definitions are true, and must be kept in mind, when ever we read GRACE in the BIBLE, which one is the context implying? The new birth grace is power; And the forgiveness grace is love. No sinner CAN be converted with out GOD'S power and love. Hoffco

 

[homwardbound]

The GRACE of GOD is: God's Regeneration At Christ's Energizing
" " " " " : God's Riches At Christ's Expense
Both definitions are true, and must be kept in mind, when ever we read GRACE in the BIBLE, which one is the context implying? The new birth grace is power; And the forgiveness grace is love. No sinner CAN be converted with out GOD'S power and love. Hoffco

Hoffco, Love you and what you say is true, it takes a want a desire an needing, and God pours it out to those that do not give up, yet those that have poured out this want desire need for Mercy are completed when one finally gives up all their self-effort, they die to self and are alive daily to God in the Spirit of God.
Not to walk away from God no, not at all, but to finally trust 100% as Christ trusted. Christ did nothing and or said nothing without Father's lead
And Christ sent the Holy Spirit to each that believe and that started on the day of Pentecost.
We are thus to grow in the Spirit not the flesh anymore, and who is the one that teaches us?
Hebrews 8 shows this whole truth, that it is God and all God we are just vessels to be used by God at our free will saying thank you and do so Lord, use me as I use a water glass.
You are the Master of me as I am the master of a water glass, and thank you for giving me the free choice to choose you as my master. I now trust you to lead as in Matt. 10:16-20. And am thankful I am sealed as in when I first believed for you to do in me what I found out by trying so hard I can never do in self?
Lead Father, Lead
If I am doing the work Hoffco, then I am in the lead not God
Thanks Love you

 

[Brother_Don]

The 10 commandments are still valid for me. i don't think the Father will be listening to excuses as to why we didn't obey. Excuses like well thats what i heard, or was taught, Christ Jesus said come to Him, and He will teach us what He wants of us. Every one will hear the truth before that day, some have just ignored it, maybe some think that ignorance will save them.

 

[secularhermit]

Traffic laws?

He! He!

 

[2Thewaters]

All laws are valid

ordinances are not

Ten commandments are forever
health laws will still kill you if you break them

eat pork everyday and you will die young

the ceremonial laws and feasts pointing to Jesus are no longer needed, read the whole book of galations slwoly and with prayer, it is clear.

 

[Hizikyah]

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

 

[nl]

Jesus: If you love me, keep my commandments. (John 4:15)

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And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. (1 John 3:23)

 

[nl]

Hoffco God just love you it is not conditional God through Son went to the Cross for you to restore you,that is the Love and Mercy of God that this world can't understand
love you' God's way 1 COR. 13, verse 4-13

Universalists believe that God saves everyone but that is not Biblical doctrine. Neither would universal salvation be just or right.

The New Covenant is a covenant and there are two sides to that agreement. Each side has responsibilities. A covenant has conditions. God doesn't enter into covenant with irresponsible robots. People retain the ability to make choices. They may continue to remain faithful to the conditions of a covenant or not. In Revelation 2-3, it is only those who overcome and with an ear to hear that will inherit.

Psalm 101:1 - I will sing of mercy and of justice. Romans 9 tells us that the potter has power over the clay. God created vessels of wrath as well as vessels of mercy. God is glorified by both.

God must punish sin. Either, Jesus was punished once in the past for the sins of an individual. Or, the individual will be punished in the future for their own sins but not excessively beyond what justice requires.

...Just and True are Thy ways, thou King of saints. (Revelation 15:3)

A king has a kingdom and a kingdom has laws. The citizens of the kingdom will love and obey the King even when they must walk not by sight but by faith.

 

[homwardbound]

The 10 commandments are still valid for me. i don't think the Father will be listening to excuses as to why we didn't obey. Excuses like well thats what i heard, or was taught, Christ Jesus said come to Him, and He will teach us what He wants of us. Every one will hear the truth before that day, some have just ignored it, maybe some think that ignorance will save them.

2 Corinthians 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: